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		<title>By: YesBiscuit</title>
		<link>http://www.petconnection.com/blog/2010/01/26/do-animals-need-laws-protecting-them-from-shelters/comment-page-2/#comment-482757</link>
		<dc:creator>YesBiscuit</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 29 Jan 2010 15:20:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The sanctuary who offered a spot for Oreo, Pets Alive, has said the &quot;ASPCA never returned our calls&quot; and when Pets Alive visited ASPCA in person, they were escorted out by security.  I don&#039;t know what the ASPCA side of the story is on those specific allegations but I&#039;d like to hear it.

http://www.petsalive.com/oreo.html</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The sanctuary who offered a spot for Oreo, Pets Alive, has said the &#8220;ASPCA never returned our calls&#8221; and when Pets Alive visited ASPCA in person, they were escorted out by security.  I don&#8217;t know what the ASPCA side of the story is on those specific allegations but I&#8217;d like to hear it.</p>
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		<title>By: straybaby</title>
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		<dc:creator>straybaby</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 29 Jan 2010 00:35:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think the ASPCA was wrong to kill Oreo in the way they did because, based on what I’ve read, they did not explore the available alternatives.
Comment by YesBiscuit — January 28, 2010 @ 7:45 am

Based on my experience with the ASPCA, I feel confident they did explore available alternatives for Oreo. I have personally seen them beg for places (at long term rescues/sanctuaries) for dogs with less than stellar temps. And these were dogs that never made the news with stories of their abuse. Judging by some of the dogs I met/worked with there, my gut tells me something was seriously off with Oreo. There may have also been a prob with the rescue that wanted her and there were no other options for her, in particular, to keep everyone, including Oreo, safe and happy. . . you can only put so many signs on a kennel run before a well meaning volunteer decides to do something that turns out bloody . . . yeah, I&#039;ve seen that also. The ASPCA does a lot of evaluating of the dogs in their care. Constantly along with working with them. And these aren&#039;t half a**ed attempts at evaluating or rehabbing and it&#039;s also not a one shot deal for a dog (or cat). At other shelters and rescues I&#039;ve worked with, you generally don&#039;t get such a thorough run down of a dog, and many times discover the problems yourself. Not to say they don&#039;t try, but resources aren&#039;t in high supply. Getting everyone to follow a protocol to help/rehab a dog issue is also a problem at some of the shelters/rescues, which is not so much of an issue at the A.  

I&#039;m not saying the A is perfect or anything, but just personal experience (with the behavior dept) tells me that this was not done lightly or without much thought/solution seeking. I also live with a few &quot;un-adoptable&quot; pets who would not do well in a long term facility and certainly shouldn&#039;t be placed with the general public.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think the ASPCA was wrong to kill Oreo in the way they did because, based on what I’ve read, they did not explore the available alternatives.<br />
Comment by YesBiscuit — January 28, 2010 @ 7:45 am</p>
<p>Based on my experience with the ASPCA, I feel confident they did explore available alternatives for Oreo. I have personally seen them beg for places (at long term rescues/sanctuaries) for dogs with less than stellar temps. And these were dogs that never made the news with stories of their abuse. Judging by some of the dogs I met/worked with there, my gut tells me something was seriously off with Oreo. There may have also been a prob with the rescue that wanted her and there were no other options for her, in particular, to keep everyone, including Oreo, safe and happy. . . you can only put so many signs on a kennel run before a well meaning volunteer decides to do something that turns out bloody . . . yeah, I&#8217;ve seen that also. The ASPCA does a lot of evaluating of the dogs in their care. Constantly along with working with them. And these aren&#8217;t half a**ed attempts at evaluating or rehabbing and it&#8217;s also not a one shot deal for a dog (or cat). At other shelters and rescues I&#8217;ve worked with, you generally don&#8217;t get such a thorough run down of a dog, and many times discover the problems yourself. Not to say they don&#8217;t try, but resources aren&#8217;t in high supply. Getting everyone to follow a protocol to help/rehab a dog issue is also a problem at some of the shelters/rescues, which is not so much of an issue at the A.  </p>
<p>I&#8217;m not saying the A is perfect or anything, but just personal experience (with the behavior dept) tells me that this was not done lightly or without much thought/solution seeking. I also live with a few &#8220;un-adoptable&#8221; pets who would not do well in a long term facility and certainly shouldn&#8217;t be placed with the general public.</p>
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		<title>By: David S. Greene</title>
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		<dc:creator>David S. Greene</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 28 Jan 2010 22:25:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Shirley had a sad, infuriating story yesterday on YesBiscuit, and although I couldn&#039;t bring myself to write it up for this morning&#039;s post, please check it out.  It could give rise to some interesting discussions...  I give Shirley enormous credit for what she does with her blog.  Great stuff, nearly every post.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Shirley had a sad, infuriating story yesterday on YesBiscuit, and although I couldn&#8217;t bring myself to write it up for this morning&#8217;s post, please check it out.  It could give rise to some interesting discussions&#8230;  I give Shirley enormous credit for what she does with her blog.  Great stuff, nearly every post.</p>
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		<title>By: Gina Spadafori</title>
		<link>http://www.petconnection.com/blog/2010/01/26/do-animals-need-laws-protecting-them-from-shelters/comment-page-1/#comment-482719</link>
		<dc:creator>Gina Spadafori</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 28 Jan 2010 14:50:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>By the way, Shirley has been on a serious roll lately over at YesBiscuit. Go read!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>By the way, Shirley has been on a serious roll lately over at YesBiscuit. Go read!</p>
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		<title>By: YesBiscuit</title>
		<link>http://www.petconnection.com/blog/2010/01/26/do-animals-need-laws-protecting-them-from-shelters/comment-page-1/#comment-482718</link>
		<dc:creator>YesBiscuit</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 28 Jan 2010 14:45:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ultimately we can never know the answers to some of the questions surrounding the controversy about Oreo and I think that&#039;s hard to accept.  We tend to think in terms of what woulda-coulda-shoulda happened and base our opinions on those ideas.  But to me, in trying to keep it simple and fact-based, it boils down to this:

I support Oreo&#039;s Law because I strongly believe that all alternatives to killing shelter pets should be explored.  (Note that I said &quot;killing&quot; because I intend my comment to differentiate between that and &quot;euthanasia&quot; which to me, is a means to end the suffering of a medically hopeless pet.)

I think the ASPCA was wrong to kill Oreo in the way they did because, based on what I&#039;ve read, they did not explore the available alternatives.

As I understand it, Oreo&#039;s Law would help shelter pets have access to all available options before being killed.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ultimately we can never know the answers to some of the questions surrounding the controversy about Oreo and I think that&#8217;s hard to accept.  We tend to think in terms of what woulda-coulda-shoulda happened and base our opinions on those ideas.  But to me, in trying to keep it simple and fact-based, it boils down to this:</p>
<p>I support Oreo&#8217;s Law because I strongly believe that all alternatives to killing shelter pets should be explored.  (Note that I said &#8220;killing&#8221; because I intend my comment to differentiate between that and &#8220;euthanasia&#8221; which to me, is a means to end the suffering of a medically hopeless pet.)</p>
<p>I think the ASPCA was wrong to kill Oreo in the way they did because, based on what I&#8217;ve read, they did not explore the available alternatives.</p>
<p>As I understand it, Oreo&#8217;s Law would help shelter pets have access to all available options before being killed.</p>
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		<title>By: Christie Keith</title>
		<link>http://www.petconnection.com/blog/2010/01/26/do-animals-need-laws-protecting-them-from-shelters/comment-page-1/#comment-482696</link>
		<dc:creator>Christie Keith</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 28 Jan 2010 04:36:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m sure after Donna and I talk, we&#039;ll both have things to say. I don&#039;t think either of us was cut out for the &quot;secret summit&quot; approach to... well, ANYTHING!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m sure after Donna and I talk, we&#8217;ll both have things to say. I don&#8217;t think either of us was cut out for the &#8220;secret summit&#8221; approach to&#8230; well, ANYTHING!</p>
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		<title>By: LauraS</title>
		<link>http://www.petconnection.com/blog/2010/01/26/do-animals-need-laws-protecting-them-from-shelters/comment-page-1/#comment-482679</link>
		<dc:creator>LauraS</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 27 Jan 2010 23:51:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Consider this to be a plea for Donna and Christie to NOT take their discussion about the effects of the Hayden Law private.  I for one would really like to know what you both see as the effects of this law.  Maybe Hayden deserves its own blog post.

I don&#039;t need to explain it to Donna and Christie but for the benefit of others, the Hayden Law included more than just rescue groups&#039; access to shelter dogs that&#039;s under discussion here.  

I would really like to see a analysis revisiting all the impacts of Hayden.

My assessment is that since 1998 when the Hayden Law passed, shelter euthanasias of dogs have declined at a faster rate than before Hayden.
http://saveourdogs.net/wp/wp-content/uploads/2009/03/state-dog-chart.jpg

The shelter euthanasia trend doesn&#039;t prove that the Hayden Law is the reason for this improvement, but it&#039;s promising.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Consider this to be a plea for Donna and Christie to NOT take their discussion about the effects of the Hayden Law private.  I for one would really like to know what you both see as the effects of this law.  Maybe Hayden deserves its own blog post.</p>
<p>I don&#8217;t need to explain it to Donna and Christie but for the benefit of others, the Hayden Law included more than just rescue groups&#8217; access to shelter dogs that&#8217;s under discussion here.  </p>
<p>I would really like to see a analysis revisiting all the impacts of Hayden.</p>
<p>My assessment is that since 1998 when the Hayden Law passed, shelter euthanasias of dogs have declined at a faster rate than before Hayden.<br />
<a href="http://saveourdogs.net/wp/wp-content/uploads/2009/03/state-dog-chart.jpg" rel="nofollow">http://saveourdogs.net/wp/wp-c.....-chart.jpg</a></p>
<p>The shelter euthanasia trend doesn&#8217;t prove that the Hayden Law is the reason for this improvement, but it&#8217;s promising.</p>
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		<title>By: mary frances</title>
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		<dc:creator>mary frances</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 27 Jan 2010 21:52:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>OK one last observation from me regarding this, then i really have to get back to work...the betrayal of the public by animal control (AC) and the big animal groups is a big player in this chaos - there is such arrogance and anger directed at the public (with rescuers too - some of the nicest people suddenly get rabid at the public) It&#039;s misdirected and destructive to working with the public to making things better - Yesbiscuit does a real good job writing about this (I think 2 days ago) I&#039;m guilty of demonizing AC though.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>OK one last observation from me regarding this, then i really have to get back to work&#8230;the betrayal of the public by animal control (AC) and the big animal groups is a big player in this chaos - there is such arrogance and anger directed at the public (with rescuers too - some of the nicest people suddenly get rabid at the public) It&#8217;s misdirected and destructive to working with the public to making things better - Yesbiscuit does a real good job writing about this (I think 2 days ago) I&#8217;m guilty of demonizing AC though.</p>
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		<title>By: Christie Keith</title>
		<link>http://www.petconnection.com/blog/2010/01/26/do-animals-need-laws-protecting-them-from-shelters/comment-page-1/#comment-482663</link>
		<dc:creator>Christie Keith</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 27 Jan 2010 21:23:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;When you retract that totally shitty “question” and apologize, then I will be happy to discuss the issue of qualifications with you.&lt;/i&gt;

Heather, whether you want to answer or not is totally up to you, but I sincerely did not mean that in a &quot;shitty&quot; way. There are people who feel that laws such as this are a double-edged sword, and even Donna Reynolds, who in general supports the right of access to shelter animals, said she thought the energy being spent to pass this one would be better spent on other things.

I did not intend to slur you.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>When you retract that totally shitty “question” and apologize, then I will be happy to discuss the issue of qualifications with you.</i></p>
<p>Heather, whether you want to answer or not is totally up to you, but I sincerely did not mean that in a &#8220;shitty&#8221; way. There are people who feel that laws such as this are a double-edged sword, and even Donna Reynolds, who in general supports the right of access to shelter animals, said she thought the energy being spent to pass this one would be better spent on other things.</p>
<p>I did not intend to slur you.</p>
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		<title>By: Christie Keith</title>
		<link>http://www.petconnection.com/blog/2010/01/26/do-animals-need-laws-protecting-them-from-shelters/comment-page-1/#comment-482662</link>
		<dc:creator>Christie Keith</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 27 Jan 2010 21:21:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;You misread Luisa. She wrote “prior to my death.”&lt;/i&gt;

It&#039;s true that the line I quoted didn&#039;t reflect everything she said, but given that she continued with a warning to &quot;get those wills and powers of attorney in order, people,&quot; I don&#039;t think I misread.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>You misread Luisa. She wrote “prior to my death.”</i></p>
<p>It&#8217;s true that the line I quoted didn&#8217;t reflect everything she said, but given that she continued with a warning to &#8220;get those wills and powers of attorney in order, people,&#8221; I don&#8217;t think I misread.</p>
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