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		<title>By: Joy</title>
		<link>http://www.petconnection.com/blog/2009/12/28/what-does-no-kill-mean-really/comment-page-1/#comment-484394</link>
		<dc:creator>Joy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 13 Mar 2010 02:42:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Maybe a part of the language/definition confusion is just that people don&#039;t feel they know (really know)what goes on behind shelter or rescue group doors.  

If PETA can dupe the public, so can any organization.  If my no-kill shelter&#039;s policy deems hyperactivity as an &quot;unadoptable&quot; trait or parasites as &quot;untreatable&quot;, so could yours. And if one rescuer can turn out to be a hoarder, any could.

After all these years, I still honestly have no idea what &quot;no-kill&quot; means.  To me, it just depends on who you&#039;re asking and how honest they&#039;re being with you...and with themselves.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Maybe a part of the language/definition confusion is just that people don&#8217;t feel they know (really know)what goes on behind shelter or rescue group doors.  </p>
<p>If PETA can dupe the public, so can any organization.  If my no-kill shelter&#8217;s policy deems hyperactivity as an &#8220;unadoptable&#8221; trait or parasites as &#8220;untreatable&#8221;, so could yours. And if one rescuer can turn out to be a hoarder, any could.</p>
<p>After all these years, I still honestly have no idea what &#8220;no-kill&#8221; means.  To me, it just depends on who you&#8217;re asking and how honest they&#8217;re being with you&#8230;and with themselves.</p>
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		<title>By: mary frances</title>
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		<dc:creator>mary frances</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 12 Mar 2010 19:27:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>NPR had a call-in show last night from Canada -didn&#039;t hear the entire show but the gist was why are Americans so angry? And the Canadian callers&#039; opinions narrowed to one over-riding problem - there is no safety net in regards to health care as they have in Canada.

I think this same anger applies to animal services - if we had a safety net nationally of no-kill shelters think of the peace of mind we&#039;d all have. (Not to mention the lives saved)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>NPR had a call-in show last night from Canada -didn&#8217;t hear the entire show but the gist was why are Americans so angry? And the Canadian callers&#8217; opinions narrowed to one over-riding problem - there is no safety net in regards to health care as they have in Canada.</p>
<p>I think this same anger applies to animal services - if we had a safety net nationally of no-kill shelters think of the peace of mind we&#8217;d all have. (Not to mention the lives saved)</p>
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		<title>By: Gina Spadafori</title>
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		<dc:creator>Gina Spadafori</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 12 Mar 2010 01:28:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>PETA does. Year after year after year. Their new shelter&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.petakillsanimals.com/downloads/PetaKillsAnimals.pdf&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt; kill rate (2009) is 97 percent&lt;/a&gt;.

They have claimed these are hopeless animals being relieved of suffering. But they are required to report &quot;adoptable&quot; animals to the Commonwealth of Virginia. Better dead than fed remains PETA&#039;s credo. 

Yes, the &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.sourcewatch.org/index.php?title=Center_for_Consumer_Freedom&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Center for Consumer Freedom&lt;/a&gt;, which requested the report PETA is required to provide by law, is funded by industries with a dog in this fight, so to speak. But the numbers and &lt;em&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;http://terriermandotcom.blogspot.com/2008/03/peta-lawyer-jeffrey-s-kerr-is-total.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;the law&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/em&gt; speak for themselves. </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>PETA does. Year after year after year. Their new shelter<a href="http://www.petakillsanimals.com/downloads/PetaKillsAnimals.pdf" rel="nofollow"> kill rate (2009) is 97 percent</a>.</p>
<p>They have claimed these are hopeless animals being relieved of suffering. But they are required to report &#8220;adoptable&#8221; animals to the Commonwealth of Virginia. Better dead than fed remains PETA&#8217;s credo. </p>
<p>Yes, the <a href="http://www.sourcewatch.org/index.php?title=Center_for_Consumer_Freedom" rel="nofollow">Center for Consumer Freedom</a>, which requested the report PETA is required to provide by law, is funded by industries with a dog in this fight, so to speak. But the numbers and <em><a href="http://terriermandotcom.blogspot.com/2008/03/peta-lawyer-jeffrey-s-kerr-is-total.html" rel="nofollow">the law</a></em> speak for themselves.</p>
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		<title>By: K.B.</title>
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		<dc:creator>K.B.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 12 Mar 2010 01:26:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I also don’t want to see animals suffer unnecessarily because of some ideological principle.

Comment by Chris Gregory — March 11, 2010 @ 3:33 pm 


You&#039;d rather see adoptable animals dead??</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I also don’t want to see animals suffer unnecessarily because of some ideological principle.</p>
<p>Comment by Chris Gregory — March 11, 2010 @ 3:33 pm </p>
<p>You&#8217;d rather see adoptable animals dead??</p>
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		<title>By: Gina Spadafori</title>
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		<dc:creator>Gina Spadafori</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 11 Mar 2010 23:42:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Chris, it&#039;s apparent that you came in with an idea of what no-kill communities were about, didn&#039;t read the post or any of the comments and added your comment without learning anything. 

First, adoptable animals aren&#039;t &quot;euthanised&quot; -- they are killed. Second, there&#039;s numerically no shortage of homes, but a poorly run shelter system that doesn&#039;t reach out to animal lovers to place those animals. 

The &quot;ideological principal&quot; of building no-kill communities is that an entire community can -- and has -- achieved 90 percent live-release rates from its shelters. 

How that equates with &quot;suffering&quot; is beyond me.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Chris, it&#8217;s apparent that you came in with an idea of what no-kill communities were about, didn&#8217;t read the post or any of the comments and added your comment without learning anything. </p>
<p>First, adoptable animals aren&#8217;t &#8220;euthanised&#8221; &#8212; they are killed. Second, there&#8217;s numerically no shortage of homes, but a poorly run shelter system that doesn&#8217;t reach out to animal lovers to place those animals. </p>
<p>The &#8220;ideological principal&#8221; of building no-kill communities is that an entire community can &#8212; and has &#8212; achieved 90 percent live-release rates from its shelters. </p>
<p>How that equates with &#8220;suffering&#8221; is beyond me.</p>
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		<title>By: Chris Gregory</title>
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		<dc:creator>Chris Gregory</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 11 Mar 2010 22:33:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think the &#039;No Kill&#039; claim, while admirable, is putting the responsibility for the need to euthanise animals solely on the shelters. If population control fails badly, who gets blamed? The shelters can only do what they can afford to do...I think it&#039;s putting the pressure on the wrong part of the system. I also don&#039;t want to see animals suffer unnecessarily because of some ideological principle.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think the &#8216;No Kill&#8217; claim, while admirable, is putting the responsibility for the need to euthanise animals solely on the shelters. If population control fails badly, who gets blamed? The shelters can only do what they can afford to do&#8230;I think it&#8217;s putting the pressure on the wrong part of the system. I also don&#8217;t want to see animals suffer unnecessarily because of some ideological principle.</p>
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		<title>By: Garrett</title>
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		<dc:creator>Garrett</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 29 Dec 2009 15:12:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>One important element of a &quot;No-Kill&quot; community (or whatever you want to call it) is allowing feral cats to live in their natural habitat.

Other food for thought- the concept of a &quot;humane community&quot; where ultimately the &quot;kill rate&quot; would actually be 100% because ONLY animals who are not &quot;savable&quot; enter the shelter system.  So animal control  intakes would be close to zero because communities would be humanely controling population with spay/neuter programs, TNR, pet retention and sancturary programs.

www.phillynokill.org</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>One important element of a &#8220;No-Kill&#8221; community (or whatever you want to call it) is allowing feral cats to live in their natural habitat.</p>
<p>Other food for thought- the concept of a &#8220;humane community&#8221; where ultimately the &#8220;kill rate&#8221; would actually be 100% because ONLY animals who are not &#8220;savable&#8221; enter the shelter system.  So animal control  intakes would be close to zero because communities would be humanely controling population with spay/neuter programs, TNR, pet retention and sancturary programs.</p>
<p><a href="http://www.phillynokill.org" rel="nofollow">http://www.phillynokill.org</a></p>
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		<title>By: LauraS</title>
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		<dc:creator>LauraS</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 29 Dec 2009 07:06:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Valerie, California state law requires all public animal shelters to report their statistics to the California Department of Public Health.  You can find their annual reports here:
http://www.cdph.ca.gov/HealthInfo/discond/Pages/LocalRabiesControlActivities.aspx
(Annual LRCA Reports, at the bottom)

Multiply by a factor of 10 to get a rough estimate of nationwide animal shelter stats.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Valerie, California state law requires all public animal shelters to report their statistics to the California Department of Public Health.  You can find their annual reports here:<br />
<a href="http://www.cdph.ca.gov/HealthInfo/discond/Pages/LocalRabiesControlActivities.aspx" rel="nofollow">http://www.cdph.ca.gov/HealthI.....ities.aspx</a><br />
(Annual LRCA Reports, at the bottom)</p>
<p>Multiply by a factor of 10 to get a rough estimate of nationwide animal shelter stats.</p>
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		<title>By: Christie Keith</title>
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		<dc:creator>Christie Keith</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 29 Dec 2009 06:35:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Valerie, I already answered that. There are NO peer reviewed studies -- there isn&#039;t even a complete data set and never will be.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Valerie, I already answered that. There are NO peer reviewed studies &#8212; there isn&#8217;t even a complete data set and never will be.</p>
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		<title>By: Valerie</title>
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		<dc:creator>Valerie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 29 Dec 2009 06:10:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I was asking about the nationwide total figures.  Where do they come from?  I&#039;ve seen various numbers quoted, but the scientist in me likes to see references and peer-reviewed studies.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I was asking about the nationwide total figures.  Where do they come from?  I&#8217;ve seen various numbers quoted, but the scientist in me likes to see references and peer-reviewed studies.</p>
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