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	<title>Comments on: What do shelter cats need to stay healthy? Space</title>
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		<title>By: Christie Keith</title>
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		<dc:creator>Christie Keith</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 20 Nov 2009 20:42:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I interviewed Dr. Hurley for an in-depth article on the no-kill movement that will be in the Jan/Feb issue of Bark Magazine. I will post my full length interview with her here when the article is out.

It&#039;s my personal opinion that many things Dr. Hurley has said gave aid and comfort to the anti-no-kill movement, but she is herself a supporter of that movement.

Some of this is, I believe, a misunderstanding, but there are also issues I&#039;d chalk up to the fact that many veterinarians start to have a bit of a &quot;herd medicine&quot; mindset, which can often result in statements that are horrifying on the level of an individual animal, and definitely contrary to the goal of the no-kill movement. I discussed this with Dr. Hurley and I think her responses were both enlightening and encouraging.

Another factor in play is that people frequently decide if one self-described no-kill shelter is badly managed, that carries over to the entire no-kill movement, but never seem to think that one badly managed, even hellish, traditional shelter tarnishes all traditional shelters.  It&#039;s incredibly aggravating, and I think that some of the things Dr. Hurley has said play into that, although I truly don&#039;t think that was her intention.

However, as Gina said, Dr. Hurley can defend herself. These are just my thoughts based on what I&#039;ve seen and heard. I&#039;ll have more to say when my article and the interview have been published.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I interviewed Dr. Hurley for an in-depth article on the no-kill movement that will be in the Jan/Feb issue of Bark Magazine. I will post my full length interview with her here when the article is out.</p>
<p>It&#8217;s my personal opinion that many things Dr. Hurley has said gave aid and comfort to the anti-no-kill movement, but she is herself a supporter of that movement.</p>
<p>Some of this is, I believe, a misunderstanding, but there are also issues I&#8217;d chalk up to the fact that many veterinarians start to have a bit of a &#8220;herd medicine&#8221; mindset, which can often result in statements that are horrifying on the level of an individual animal, and definitely contrary to the goal of the no-kill movement. I discussed this with Dr. Hurley and I think her responses were both enlightening and encouraging.</p>
<p>Another factor in play is that people frequently decide if one self-described no-kill shelter is badly managed, that carries over to the entire no-kill movement, but never seem to think that one badly managed, even hellish, traditional shelter tarnishes all traditional shelters.  It&#8217;s incredibly aggravating, and I think that some of the things Dr. Hurley has said play into that, although I truly don&#8217;t think that was her intention.</p>
<p>However, as Gina said, Dr. Hurley can defend herself. These are just my thoughts based on what I&#8217;ve seen and heard. I&#8217;ll have more to say when my article and the interview have been published.</p>
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		<title>By: Gina Spadafori</title>
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		<dc:creator>Gina Spadafori</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 20 Nov 2009 19:23:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;ve sat down with Dr. Kate Hurley on several occasions over the last five years or so, and I gotta say: I completely and utterly disagree with Nathan&#039;s vilification of the woman. 

Nathan is a visionary and a firebrand, and he is a game-changer without whom we not have advanced the idea and the reality of no-kill communities as we have. We will see a different shelter industry in a decade, mark my words, and that&#039;s largely because of Nathan Winograd standing up and calling them out for losing their way. 

He is not, however, a bridge-builder, and as visionaries sometimes do, he fails to see that people may be coming to the same place from different starting points. 

I have been profoundly unhappy with his treatment of her. He is entitled to his opinions, and I will continue to consider them. But I am entitled to mine: He is off-base on Dr. Hurley, and that&#039;s a damn shame. 

Ingrid Newkirk deserves all the shit Nathan has thrown her way, and much, much more. 

Dr. Kate Hurley? She&#039;s a grown woman in a tough field, and she doesn&#039;t need me to defend her. But I will nonetheless. She doesn&#039;t deserve this.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;ve sat down with Dr. Kate Hurley on several occasions over the last five years or so, and I gotta say: I completely and utterly disagree with Nathan&#8217;s vilification of the woman. </p>
<p>Nathan is a visionary and a firebrand, and he is a game-changer without whom we not have advanced the idea and the reality of no-kill communities as we have. We will see a different shelter industry in a decade, mark my words, and that&#8217;s largely because of Nathan Winograd standing up and calling them out for losing their way. </p>
<p>He is not, however, a bridge-builder, and as visionaries sometimes do, he fails to see that people may be coming to the same place from different starting points. </p>
<p>I have been profoundly unhappy with his treatment of her. He is entitled to his opinions, and I will continue to consider them. But I am entitled to mine: He is off-base on Dr. Hurley, and that&#8217;s a damn shame. </p>
<p>Ingrid Newkirk deserves all the shit Nathan has thrown her way, and much, much more. </p>
<p>Dr. Kate Hurley? She&#8217;s a grown woman in a tough field, and she doesn&#8217;t need me to defend her. But I will nonetheless. She doesn&#8217;t deserve this.</p>
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		<title>By: Valerie</title>
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		<dc:creator>Valerie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 20 Nov 2009 19:03:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yesbiscuit, I&#039;m worried about the same thing:

http://www.nathanwinograd.com/index.php?s=Hurley</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yesbiscuit, I&#8217;m worried about the same thing:</p>
<p><a href="http://www.nathanwinograd.com/index.php?s=Hurley" rel="nofollow">http://www.nathanwinograd.com/index.php?s=Hurley</a></p>
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		<title>By: Janeen</title>
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		<dc:creator>Janeen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 20 Nov 2009 16:25:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Gawd. This sounds as bad as keeping hens in battery cages...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Gawd. This sounds as bad as keeping hens in battery cages&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: YesBiscuit</title>
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		<dc:creator>YesBiscuit</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 20 Nov 2009 16:00:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I hope no one uses the &quot;twice the space&quot; scenario as an excuse to use the old &quot;every other cat cage empty&quot; set up.  If they accept the recs, they should do the cat condo thing.  I would agree the public is more likely to adopt a cat not forced to lie in its litter box.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I hope no one uses the &#8220;twice the space&#8221; scenario as an excuse to use the old &#8220;every other cat cage empty&#8221; set up.  If they accept the recs, they should do the cat condo thing.  I would agree the public is more likely to adopt a cat not forced to lie in its litter box.</p>
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