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	<title>Comments on: It&#8217;s Animal Week on NPR&#8217;s &#8216;Fresh Air&#8217;</title>
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		<title>By: mary francis</title>
		<link>http://www.petconnection.com/blog/2009/09/01/animal-week-on-nprs-fresh-air/comment-page-1/#comment-474266</link>
		<dc:creator>mary francis</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 04 Sep 2009 18:42:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It wasn&#039;t on NPR but I saw a segment on Primetime: The Outsiders (ABC) regarding Charlie Vandergaw who lived with black bears and grizzlies in Alaska. He&#039;s been closed down and is going to court to challenge Alaska&#039;s bear-baiting policy - it was an amazing show - watching Vandergaw disarming hunters who came back later to walk with Charlie among the bears - made me tear up...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It wasn&#8217;t on NPR but I saw a segment on Primetime: The Outsiders (ABC) regarding Charlie Vandergaw who lived with black bears and grizzlies in Alaska. He&#8217;s been closed down and is going to court to challenge Alaska&#8217;s bear-baiting policy - it was an amazing show - watching Vandergaw disarming hunters who came back later to walk with Charlie among the bears - made me tear up&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Verde</title>
		<link>http://www.petconnection.com/blog/2009/09/01/animal-week-on-nprs-fresh-air/comment-page-1/#comment-474189</link>
		<dc:creator>Verde</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 03 Sep 2009 19:57:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>As a musician I was totally engrossed in the segment about composing music for different species.  I&#039;ve always known intrinsically that music makes special connections in our heads. The thought that science might some day be able to isolate exactly why music can affect us so deeply is exciting in some ways. In other ways it is like knowing how a magic trick work.  It takes the wonder out of the experience.  I completely understood the cellist&#039;s statement when he said, &quot; I hope I die the day before they discover why Puccini makes me cry.&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As a musician I was totally engrossed in the segment about composing music for different species.  I&#8217;ve always known intrinsically that music makes special connections in our heads. The thought that science might some day be able to isolate exactly why music can affect us so deeply is exciting in some ways. In other ways it is like knowing how a magic trick work.  It takes the wonder out of the experience.  I completely understood the cellist&#8217;s statement when he said, &#8221; I hope I die the day before they discover why Puccini makes me cry.&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: Gina Spadafori</title>
		<link>http://www.petconnection.com/blog/2009/09/01/animal-week-on-nprs-fresh-air/comment-page-1/#comment-474183</link>
		<dc:creator>Gina Spadafori</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 03 Sep 2009 18:29:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Smaki, thank you for your comment. Yes, we all try to live in the waywe believe is most ethical, and we are both doing exactly that in different ways.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Smaki, thank you for your comment. Yes, we all try to live in the waywe believe is most ethical, and we are both doing exactly that in different ways.</p>
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		<title>By: Smaki</title>
		<link>http://www.petconnection.com/blog/2009/09/01/animal-week-on-nprs-fresh-air/comment-page-1/#comment-474179</link>
		<dc:creator>Smaki</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 03 Sep 2009 17:39:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Gina, even if I were to agree (and I don&#039;t) that allowing farmed animals to engage in normal social behaviors and ending their lives without pain or fear is preferable to not existing, they are not living normal lives by any stretch. They are slaughtered prematurely, well before they would die naturally. 

There&#039;s also the question of the &quot;by products&quot; of the meat industry; the male chicks that are ground up alive or smothered because they aren&#039;t useful, the veal calves that can&#039;t be produced humanely, the cows that are kept perpetually pregnant to produce milk. 

I&#039;m happy that you&#039;ve thought out your decisions and chose what was most comfortable for you ethically. I happen to chose differently, but that doesn&#039;t mean I&#039;m judging you. 

H.Houlahan, if you wonder about whether I keep dogs or cats, why not just ask me? I do have pets, a dog and three cats. My dog eats a vegetarian diet supplemented by eggs I bring home from the animal sanctuary. I&#039;m perfectly comfortable with my decision to feed him this way, I&#039;ve done my research and he is one of several vegan/vegetarian dogs I know who are thriving. He&#039;s a perfect weight, has a beautiful coat and nice teeth, and gets a  clean bill of health at every vet visit. 

My cats eat a meat-based dry food. I adopted them long before I was giving my own diet consideration, and I&#039;ve yet to find a vegan diet that I&#039;m convinced is healthy for them. I chalk it up to one of those unavoidable and uncomfortable concessions I have to make to live in the real world. I also take birth control that contains a milk by product and was probably tested on animals and drive a car every day. Being vegan isn&#039;t about being pure, it&#039;s about living in the most ethical way that I feasibly can.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Gina, even if I were to agree (and I don&#8217;t) that allowing farmed animals to engage in normal social behaviors and ending their lives without pain or fear is preferable to not existing, they are not living normal lives by any stretch. They are slaughtered prematurely, well before they would die naturally. </p>
<p>There&#8217;s also the question of the &#8220;by products&#8221; of the meat industry; the male chicks that are ground up alive or smothered because they aren&#8217;t useful, the veal calves that can&#8217;t be produced humanely, the cows that are kept perpetually pregnant to produce milk. </p>
<p>I&#8217;m happy that you&#8217;ve thought out your decisions and chose what was most comfortable for you ethically. I happen to chose differently, but that doesn&#8217;t mean I&#8217;m judging you. </p>
<p>H.Houlahan, if you wonder about whether I keep dogs or cats, why not just ask me? I do have pets, a dog and three cats. My dog eats a vegetarian diet supplemented by eggs I bring home from the animal sanctuary. I&#8217;m perfectly comfortable with my decision to feed him this way, I&#8217;ve done my research and he is one of several vegan/vegetarian dogs I know who are thriving. He&#8217;s a perfect weight, has a beautiful coat and nice teeth, and gets a  clean bill of health at every vet visit. </p>
<p>My cats eat a meat-based dry food. I adopted them long before I was giving my own diet consideration, and I&#8217;ve yet to find a vegan diet that I&#8217;m convinced is healthy for them. I chalk it up to one of those unavoidable and uncomfortable concessions I have to make to live in the real world. I also take birth control that contains a milk by product and was probably tested on animals and drive a car every day. Being vegan isn&#8217;t about being pure, it&#8217;s about living in the most ethical way that I feasibly can.</p>
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		<title>By: Gina Spadafori</title>
		<link>http://www.petconnection.com/blog/2009/09/01/animal-week-on-nprs-fresh-air/comment-page-1/#comment-474162</link>
		<dc:creator>Gina Spadafori</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 03 Sep 2009 14:00:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I guessing we&#039;re not going to reach accord, but ... see, for me, I believe that having animals live normal animal lives, with normal social behaviors, and having those lives end without pain or fear is not only possible but preferable to never existing at all. 

I can eat a mostly plant-based diet -- and in fact, I do. But it&#039;s not healthy for my dogs and cats (especially cats) to do so, and so they are meat-eaters. 

I am very comfortable with buying the meat of humanely and sustainably raised meat animals. In addition, I have my own laying hens, and someday may well raise chickens or other animals for meat. That way, I can absolutely control the care my food animals get, from birth to death. 

I believe in the circle of life. We are all of us destined to become another being&#039;s meal. My interest is in having good lives and good deaths. </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I guessing we&#8217;re not going to reach accord, but &#8230; see, for me, I believe that having animals live normal animal lives, with normal social behaviors, and having those lives end without pain or fear is not only possible but preferable to never existing at all. </p>
<p>I can eat a mostly plant-based diet &#8212; and in fact, I do. But it&#8217;s not healthy for my dogs and cats (especially cats) to do so, and so they are meat-eaters. </p>
<p>I am very comfortable with buying the meat of humanely and sustainably raised meat animals. In addition, I have my own laying hens, and someday may well raise chickens or other animals for meat. That way, I can absolutely control the care my food animals get, from birth to death. </p>
<p>I believe in the circle of life. We are all of us destined to become another being&#8217;s meal. My interest is in having good lives and good deaths.</p>
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		<title>By: H. Houlahan</title>
		<link>http://www.petconnection.com/blog/2009/09/01/animal-week-on-nprs-fresh-air/comment-page-1/#comment-474161</link>
		<dc:creator>H. Houlahan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 03 Sep 2009 13:55:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m wondering if Smaki keeps dogs or cats?

And if so, does she feed them a strictly vegan diet?

And if so, how those animals fare, welfare-wise, under this husbandry?

If Smaki does not keep dogs or cats (or ferrets, pythons, tarantulas, cormorants, tame velociraptors), is she devoted to eliminating the ownership of carnivorous animals?

Because it would seem that owning a carnivorous animal and feeding it appropriately could &lt;i&gt;never&lt;/i&gt; be ethical to Smaki.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m wondering if Smaki keeps dogs or cats?</p>
<p>And if so, does she feed them a strictly vegan diet?</p>
<p>And if so, how those animals fare, welfare-wise, under this husbandry?</p>
<p>If Smaki does not keep dogs or cats (or ferrets, pythons, tarantulas, cormorants, tame velociraptors), is she devoted to eliminating the ownership of carnivorous animals?</p>
<p>Because it would seem that owning a carnivorous animal and feeding it appropriately could <i>never</i> be ethical to Smaki.</p>
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		<title>By: Smaki</title>
		<link>http://www.petconnection.com/blog/2009/09/01/animal-week-on-nprs-fresh-air/comment-page-1/#comment-474160</link>
		<dc:creator>Smaki</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 03 Sep 2009 13:51:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The OTHER Pat, I agree, we both have firm opinions about this issue, no use tilting at windmills =)

Gina said: &quot;Smaki … so you think there’s no humane way to kill? Are you against euthanizing a terminally ill pet?&quot;

I don&#039;t believe that there is a humane way to kill a healthy, sentient being. Euthanizing an animal that is terminally ill or in unrelievable pain, or that has severe &quot;mental health&quot; issues that would prevent it from leading a satisfying life is something else altogether. In those situations I believe that we have an obligation to the animals we are responsible for to end their lives painlessly.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The OTHER Pat, I agree, we both have firm opinions about this issue, no use tilting at windmills =)</p>
<p>Gina said: &#8220;Smaki … so you think there’s no humane way to kill? Are you against euthanizing a terminally ill pet?&#8221;</p>
<p>I don&#8217;t believe that there is a humane way to kill a healthy, sentient being. Euthanizing an animal that is terminally ill or in unrelievable pain, or that has severe &#8220;mental health&#8221; issues that would prevent it from leading a satisfying life is something else altogether. In those situations I believe that we have an obligation to the animals we are responsible for to end their lives painlessly.</p>
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		<title>By: The OTHER Pat</title>
		<link>http://www.petconnection.com/blog/2009/09/01/animal-week-on-nprs-fresh-air/comment-page-1/#comment-474157</link>
		<dc:creator>The OTHER Pat</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 03 Sep 2009 13:27:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks Smaki.  When you said you didn&#039;t &quot;buy&quot; that Grandin is an &quot;animal advocate&quot; I was unclear on whether you disagreed with her methods (i.e. you have ideas for humane slaughter that you feel are better than hers) or whether you simply disagreed with the notion of slaughtering animals for meat altogether.  Which one it is defines which discussion we might have.  And since you have now clarified that you meant the latter, then there&#039;s no point in entering into a discussion (with you, specifically) over *which* humane methods of slaughter are the best choice.  (The previous sentence is not intended to be taken in a punitive way, but merely as a statement of fact.)

I admire Grandin&#039;s work.  And I&#039;ve heard her speak to a packed house full of scientists, saying some things that I think a lot of them were a bit surprised to hear.

Personally, I find her refreshing.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks Smaki.  When you said you didn&#8217;t &#8220;buy&#8221; that Grandin is an &#8220;animal advocate&#8221; I was unclear on whether you disagreed with her methods (i.e. you have ideas for humane slaughter that you feel are better than hers) or whether you simply disagreed with the notion of slaughtering animals for meat altogether.  Which one it is defines which discussion we might have.  And since you have now clarified that you meant the latter, then there&#8217;s no point in entering into a discussion (with you, specifically) over *which* humane methods of slaughter are the best choice.  (The previous sentence is not intended to be taken in a punitive way, but merely as a statement of fact.)</p>
<p>I admire Grandin&#8217;s work.  And I&#8217;ve heard her speak to a packed house full of scientists, saying some things that I think a lot of them were a bit surprised to hear.</p>
<p>Personally, I find her refreshing.</p>
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		<title>By: Dr. Tony Johnson</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dr. Tony Johnson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 03 Sep 2009 13:17:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Smaki and everybody - thanks for the lively discourse.  Seems like there is a definite train of thought here that any move towards making the slaughter process &#039;better&#039; is in vain, and some think we should eliminate the whole process altogether.

Reminds me of the quote &quot;There is nothing so useless as doing efficiently that which should not be done at all.&quot;

I see the point. Actually, I see &lt;i&gt;both&lt;/i&gt; points, which is a problem I often have with many issues and keeps me from taking a firm stance.  I am like Switzerland in that respect sometimes.

I think if one accepts that people eating meat is not going to go away, then we should try and make the process easier for the animals. However, if one is going to try and eradicate the people-eating-animals thing wholesale, then anything short of a total ban on killing animals is seen as a capitulation.

Rage on, tiny readers - let&#039;s see where this goes.

You might try tinyURL.com to help with those long links.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Smaki and everybody - thanks for the lively discourse.  Seems like there is a definite train of thought here that any move towards making the slaughter process &#8216;better&#8217; is in vain, and some think we should eliminate the whole process altogether.</p>
<p>Reminds me of the quote &#8220;There is nothing so useless as doing efficiently that which should not be done at all.&#8221;</p>
<p>I see the point. Actually, I see <i>both</i> points, which is a problem I often have with many issues and keeps me from taking a firm stance.  I am like Switzerland in that respect sometimes.</p>
<p>I think if one accepts that people eating meat is not going to go away, then we should try and make the process easier for the animals. However, if one is going to try and eradicate the people-eating-animals thing wholesale, then anything short of a total ban on killing animals is seen as a capitulation.</p>
<p>Rage on, tiny readers - let&#8217;s see where this goes.</p>
<p>You might try tinyURL.com to help with those long links.</p>
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		<title>By: Gina Spadafori</title>
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		<dc:creator>Gina Spadafori</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 03 Sep 2009 13:17:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Smaki ... so you think there&#039;s no humane way to kill? Are you against euthanizing a terminally ill pet?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Smaki &#8230; so you think there&#8217;s no humane way to kill? Are you against euthanizing a terminally ill pet?</p>
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