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		<title>By: LauraS</title>
		<link>http://www.petconnection.com/blog/2009/08/10/welcome-home-forced-spay-neuter-folks-are-liars-too/comment-page-1/#comment-471811</link>
		<dc:creator>LauraS</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 12 Aug 2009 00:17:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>H2, SaveOurDogs.net is focused on effective strategies to defeat MSN.  Criticizing Mancuso or other MSN supporters doesn&#039;t serve that aim.  Key legislators and their staff in Sacramento have told us repeatedly that they are sick and tired of all the personal attacks in this debate.  Mancuso is only harming her own cause with the approach she is taking.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>H2, SaveOurDogs.net is focused on effective strategies to defeat MSN.  Criticizing Mancuso or other MSN supporters doesn&#8217;t serve that aim.  Key legislators and their staff in Sacramento have told us repeatedly that they are sick and tired of all the personal attacks in this debate.  Mancuso is only harming her own cause with the approach she is taking.</p>
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		<title>By: H. Houlahan</title>
		<link>http://www.petconnection.com/blog/2009/08/10/welcome-home-forced-spay-neuter-folks-are-liars-too/comment-page-1/#comment-471809</link>
		<dc:creator>H. Houlahan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 11 Aug 2009 22:39:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Laura, please tell me that you guys will publish Ms. Mancuso&#039;s comments on the front page of the Save Our Dogs site, along with her first (and any subsequent) correspondence with you.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Laura, please tell me that you guys will publish Ms. Mancuso&#8217;s comments on the front page of the Save Our Dogs site, along with her first (and any subsequent) correspondence with you.</p>
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		<title>By: Lindsay</title>
		<link>http://www.petconnection.com/blog/2009/08/10/welcome-home-forced-spay-neuter-folks-are-liars-too/comment-page-1/#comment-471807</link>
		<dc:creator>Lindsay</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 11 Aug 2009 20:46:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Glad you had a good trip down here! Tamandra is wonderful!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Glad you had a good trip down here! Tamandra is wonderful!</p>
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		<title>By: Chris L.</title>
		<link>http://www.petconnection.com/blog/2009/08/10/welcome-home-forced-spay-neuter-folks-are-liars-too/comment-page-1/#comment-471799</link>
		<dc:creator>Chris L.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 11 Aug 2009 19:21:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks for the link,  I will do that.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks for the link,  I will do that.</p>
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		<title>By: Jean</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jean</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 11 Aug 2009 18:45:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Chris, if you&#039;d like to comment go to Dogster:

http://www.dogster.com/forums/Dog_Laws_and_Legislation/thread/632910</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Chris, if you&#8217;d like to comment go to Dogster:</p>
<p><a href="http://www.dogster.com/forums/Dog_Laws_and_Legislation/thread/632910" rel="nofollow">http://www.dogster.com/forums/.....ead/632910</a></p>
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		<title>By: Liz Palika</title>
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		<dc:creator>Liz Palika</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 11 Aug 2009 17:14:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>So glad you enjoyed your stay, Gina! 

We, who live in San Diego (or San Diego county), put up with bad traffic (by our standards) and a high cost of living by saying its our &#039;tax&#039; for all the wonderful things the region has to offer! smile....

You&#039;re welcome back anytime!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>So glad you enjoyed your stay, Gina! </p>
<p>We, who live in San Diego (or San Diego county), put up with bad traffic (by our standards) and a high cost of living by saying its our &#8216;tax&#8217; for all the wonderful things the region has to offer! smile&#8230;.</p>
<p>You&#8217;re welcome back anytime!</p>
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		<title>By: Chris Lewis</title>
		<link>http://www.petconnection.com/blog/2009/08/10/welcome-home-forced-spay-neuter-folks-are-liars-too/comment-page-1/#comment-471789</link>
		<dc:creator>Chris Lewis</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 11 Aug 2009 16:17:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>http://lakotasong.com/blog/?p=90
Apparently these folks don&#039;t want comments that might correct the lies they are publishing (see comments closed notice).

Apparently she says she says in her email that, &quot;At this point, you may be asking yourself, are all pet breeders bad? My answer is no.
There are many types of pet breeders, including responsible ones who love their animals. Through this process I have been in contact with breeders who do abide by the law, and understand the suffering and expense of pet overpopulation. These breeders do feel that laws are needed to address the issue. And some of these breeders reported death threats when they started expressing their opinions. Today, these good breeders have learned not to speak out.&quot;

But over two years ago, in an interview from an L.A. Weekly article, page 2:  http://www.laweekly.com/2007-07-05/news/dog-busters/2

&quot;Getting this spay-neuter bill through is like moving the Earth — but [the earlier bill] was impossible.” She has repeatedly insisted, “There’s no such thing as a ‘hobby breeder,’ ” and when asked about them, she laughs out loud. “Don’t let them fool you,” she says. “They’re all one in the same.”

More lies.

Chris L.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a href="http://lakotasong.com/blog/?p=90" rel="nofollow">http://lakotasong.com/blog/?p=90</a><br />
Apparently these folks don&#8217;t want comments that might correct the lies they are publishing (see comments closed notice).</p>
<p>Apparently she says she says in her email that, &#8220;At this point, you may be asking yourself, are all pet breeders bad? My answer is no.<br />
There are many types of pet breeders, including responsible ones who love their animals. Through this process I have been in contact with breeders who do abide by the law, and understand the suffering and expense of pet overpopulation. These breeders do feel that laws are needed to address the issue. And some of these breeders reported death threats when they started expressing their opinions. Today, these good breeders have learned not to speak out.&#8221;</p>
<p>But over two years ago, in an interview from an L.A. Weekly article, page 2:  <a href="http://www.laweekly.com/2007-07-05/news/dog-busters/2" rel="nofollow">http://www.laweekly.com/2007-0.....-busters/2</a></p>
<p>&#8220;Getting this spay-neuter bill through is like moving the Earth — but [the earlier bill] was impossible.” She has repeatedly insisted, “There’s no such thing as a ‘hobby breeder,’ ” and when asked about them, she laughs out loud. “Don’t let them fool you,” she says. “They’re all one in the same.”</p>
<p>More lies.</p>
<p>Chris L.</p>
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		<title>By: Katrina</title>
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		<dc:creator>Katrina</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 11 Aug 2009 15:10:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The problem is that so few people are taught to critically think and analyze data, its easy to get mislead. And Judie is the mastermind of misleading information, coupled with all the emotional baggage she adds to her data. She is a very dangerous woman. 

Good for all of you for being on her least favorite side.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The problem is that so few people are taught to critically think and analyze data, its easy to get mislead. And Judie is the mastermind of misleading information, coupled with all the emotional baggage she adds to her data. She is a very dangerous woman. </p>
<p>Good for all of you for being on her least favorite side.</p>
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		<title>By: Gina Spadafori</title>
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		<dc:creator>Gina Spadafori</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 11 Aug 2009 14:54:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Laura, I&#039;m proud to be in such good company. :)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Laura, I&#8217;m proud to be in such good company. :)</p>
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		<title>By: LauraS</title>
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		<dc:creator>LauraS</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 11 Aug 2009 14:51:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Woo hoo!  Save Our Dogs made Judie&#039;s latest pack-o-lies-fest as well!

Mancuso wrote: &quot;The Save Our Dogs website, registered to someone in Oregon, also provides misleading graphs for download. The site consistently tries to influence opinion by presenting only part of the available data. In my opinion, this group was formed solely to provide misinformation about spay and neuter laws.&quot;

Uh, no, we are not registered to someone in Oregon.  Our ISP is located in Oregon.  We live in California.  But then, Judie knows that because she has our contact info.  She first contacted us more than 2 years ago.

Our charts contain the facts from sources such as the California Department of Public Health, the US Census Bureau, and official records from Santa Cruz County itself.  

Mancuso&#039;s oft-repeated claim... 

&quot;In Santa Cruz County, where a similar law was passed over 10 years ago, shelter impounds dropped by over 64%!&quot; 

...is not true.  Not even close.  Repeating it umpteen times doesn&#039;t make it true, Judie.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Woo hoo!  Save Our Dogs made Judie&#8217;s latest pack-o-lies-fest as well!</p>
<p>Mancuso wrote: &#8220;The Save Our Dogs website, registered to someone in Oregon, also provides misleading graphs for download. The site consistently tries to influence opinion by presenting only part of the available data. In my opinion, this group was formed solely to provide misinformation about spay and neuter laws.&#8221;</p>
<p>Uh, no, we are not registered to someone in Oregon.  Our ISP is located in Oregon.  We live in California.  But then, Judie knows that because she has our contact info.  She first contacted us more than 2 years ago.</p>
<p>Our charts contain the facts from sources such as the California Department of Public Health, the US Census Bureau, and official records from Santa Cruz County itself.  </p>
<p>Mancuso&#8217;s oft-repeated claim&#8230; </p>
<p>&#8220;In Santa Cruz County, where a similar law was passed over 10 years ago, shelter impounds dropped by over 64%!&#8221; </p>
<p>&#8230;is not true.  Not even close.  Repeating it umpteen times doesn&#8217;t make it true, Judie.</p>
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