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	<title>Comments on: Orwellian language redux: I don&#8217;t think &#8220;abandon&#8221; means what you think it means</title>
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		<title>By: Lis</title>
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		<dc:creator>Lis</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 02 Aug 2009 14:12:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;And of course many people are anrgy at the shelters because all they see are numbers of dead animals and don’t see the shelter workers crying behind the scenes at a dog that was brought in due to a cruelty seizure. I think, in general, if we had more compassion for each other, we could concentrate on the real issues.&lt;/i&gt;

People are angry with shelters, not just because of the numbers of dead animals, but also because of the shelter workers&#039; belief that the dead animals entitles them to show no compassion whatsoever to the human beings who find themselves backed into a corner where they feel they have no choice but to give up their pets.

I have family and friends, and my dog came from a good breeder whom I communicate regularly with. If I found myself unable to keep them, I&#039;m confident I could place them all safely with people who would give them loving forever homes, and maybe even give them back if my circumstances changed again. (If appropriate. My older cat is old enough that if I did have to place her in another home, it would probably be better for her to stay there permanently, if she had to stay there more than a few months.)

But what about people who don&#039;t have that network? Or whose network is too small? My sister would take my cats, but she wouldn&#039;t be happy taking my dog for more than a few days. If she were all I had, and I were homeless myself, what could I do? Shouldn&#039;t a shelter &lt;i&gt;be&lt;/i&gt; the place where a person with no other options can take their pets to be &lt;i&gt;safe&lt;/i&gt;? And should people in that situation have to face the anger and judgment of people who assume that anyone who is bringing in an animal is &lt;i&gt;automatically&lt;/i&gt; irresponsible and a probable abuser?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>And of course many people are anrgy at the shelters because all they see are numbers of dead animals and don’t see the shelter workers crying behind the scenes at a dog that was brought in due to a cruelty seizure. I think, in general, if we had more compassion for each other, we could concentrate on the real issues.</i></p>
<p>People are angry with shelters, not just because of the numbers of dead animals, but also because of the shelter workers&#8217; belief that the dead animals entitles them to show no compassion whatsoever to the human beings who find themselves backed into a corner where they feel they have no choice but to give up their pets.</p>
<p>I have family and friends, and my dog came from a good breeder whom I communicate regularly with. If I found myself unable to keep them, I&#8217;m confident I could place them all safely with people who would give them loving forever homes, and maybe even give them back if my circumstances changed again. (If appropriate. My older cat is old enough that if I did have to place her in another home, it would probably be better for her to stay there permanently, if she had to stay there more than a few months.)</p>
<p>But what about people who don&#8217;t have that network? Or whose network is too small? My sister would take my cats, but she wouldn&#8217;t be happy taking my dog for more than a few days. If she were all I had, and I were homeless myself, what could I do? Shouldn&#8217;t a shelter <i>be</i> the place where a person with no other options can take their pets to be <i>safe</i>? And should people in that situation have to face the anger and judgment of people who assume that anyone who is bringing in an animal is <i>automatically</i> irresponsible and a probable abuser?</p>
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		<title>By: The OTHER Pat</title>
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		<dc:creator>The OTHER Pat</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 02 Aug 2009 13:56:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>But Sarah, what good does it do to rail against the owner for a dog (or other pet) already in trouble?  Shouldn&#039;t the first priority be to try and get that animal INTO the shelter where the animal can be - well - *sheltered*?

What happens is that the anger at the owners gets so institutionalized and almost automatic that people kind of get to knowing that if they find themselves in a bad situation and bring their animal in, that they might be facing all sorts of punitive reactions from the person on the other side of the counter.  Regardless of what led to their having to take this step.  People like Becky have worked to try and make sure that front-line workers are showing more compassion and less criticism, but as is evidence elsewhere in this thread, the resentment is still there, and you better believe John Q. Public knows it - whether any given John Q. Public is an actual abuser or not.

So - as you say - there is no doubt that there are *individuals* out there who have absolutely no business ever owning another animal.  But what the shelter workers have to be constantly vigilant about is not painting ALL owners who have to surrender a pet with the same broad brush.  Because ultimately, THAT might discourage people from turning their animals over to a shelter for care at a time when &quot;shelter&quot; is what is needed most.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>But Sarah, what good does it do to rail against the owner for a dog (or other pet) already in trouble?  Shouldn&#8217;t the first priority be to try and get that animal INTO the shelter where the animal can be - well - *sheltered*?</p>
<p>What happens is that the anger at the owners gets so institutionalized and almost automatic that people kind of get to knowing that if they find themselves in a bad situation and bring their animal in, that they might be facing all sorts of punitive reactions from the person on the other side of the counter.  Regardless of what led to their having to take this step.  People like Becky have worked to try and make sure that front-line workers are showing more compassion and less criticism, but as is evidence elsewhere in this thread, the resentment is still there, and you better believe John Q. Public knows it - whether any given John Q. Public is an actual abuser or not.</p>
<p>So - as you say - there is no doubt that there are *individuals* out there who have absolutely no business ever owning another animal.  But what the shelter workers have to be constantly vigilant about is not painting ALL owners who have to surrender a pet with the same broad brush.  Because ultimately, THAT might discourage people from turning their animals over to a shelter for care at a time when &#8220;shelter&#8221; is what is needed most.</p>
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		<title>By: Fred</title>
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		<dc:creator>Fred</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 02 Aug 2009 08:13:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Great post.  Grim times for horses, too.

http://thedailybite.wordpress.com/2009/08/01/new-research-explores-the-horsehuman-bond-the-empty-feedbag-blues-are-real/</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Great post.  Grim times for horses, too.</p>
<p><a href="http://thedailybite.wordpress.com/2009/08/01/new-research-explores-the-horsehuman-bond-the-empty-feedbag-blues-are-real/" rel="nofollow">http://thedailybite.wordpress......-are-real/</a></p>
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		<title>By: Sarah</title>
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		<dc:creator>Sarah</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 30 Jul 2009 15:15:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I haven&#039;t read the article, but i was wondering if it mentioned (assuming you get your dog from a reputable breeder...) asking the breeder to take care of your dog while you get back on your feet?
I think there&#039;s often a lot of generalization going on. We blame the &quot;shelters&quot; we blame the &quot;populace&quot; when in fact, if we absolutely need to place blame, it should be placed on the individual. Of course many shelter workers are angry - they are on the front lines and it wears almost everyone down sooner or later. And of course many people are anrgy at the shelters because all they see are numbers of dead animals and don&#039;t see the shelter workers crying behind the scenes at a dog that was brought in due to a cruelty seizure. I think, in general, if we had more compassion for each other, we could concentrate on the real issues.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I haven&#8217;t read the article, but i was wondering if it mentioned (assuming you get your dog from a reputable breeder&#8230;) asking the breeder to take care of your dog while you get back on your feet?<br />
I think there&#8217;s often a lot of generalization going on. We blame the &#8220;shelters&#8221; we blame the &#8220;populace&#8221; when in fact, if we absolutely need to place blame, it should be placed on the individual. Of course many shelter workers are angry - they are on the front lines and it wears almost everyone down sooner or later. And of course many people are anrgy at the shelters because all they see are numbers of dead animals and don&#8217;t see the shelter workers crying behind the scenes at a dog that was brought in due to a cruelty seizure. I think, in general, if we had more compassion for each other, we could concentrate on the real issues.</p>
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		<title>By: VJ</title>
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		<dc:creator>VJ</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 30 Jul 2009 02:01:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Has anyone heard of a newsletter called The Peeing Post? The writer doesn&#039;t believe in no-kill sanctuaries but believes dogs should be euthanized rather than turned over to any type of shelters to find new homes. It made me so very
angry I deleted the item but if any of you locate the article, it will set off a whole &#039;nother set of bells and whistles. The article writer lived in Denmark and now resides in Canada.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Has anyone heard of a newsletter called The Peeing Post? The writer doesn&#8217;t believe in no-kill sanctuaries but believes dogs should be euthanized rather than turned over to any type of shelters to find new homes. It made me so very<br />
angry I deleted the item but if any of you locate the article, it will set off a whole &#8216;nother set of bells and whistles. The article writer lived in Denmark and now resides in Canada.</p>
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		<title>By: JenniferJ</title>
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		<dc:creator>JenniferJ</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 30 Jul 2009 00:48:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Breed rescues can also sometimes provide temporary care, particularly if  owners can contribute a bit to care. If it&#039;s more of a housing issue than a financial issue, offering to pay a modest board can help.

People do need to be aware that they may need to sign the dog over to rescue temporarily for insurance and liability reasons, and that if they disappear and cannot be contacted for a excessive period of time, which should ALWAYS be determined in writing, the dog/s might be re-homed.

Again,the terms of these arrangements should always always always be spelled out in writing and signed by all involved</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Breed rescues can also sometimes provide temporary care, particularly if  owners can contribute a bit to care. If it&#8217;s more of a housing issue than a financial issue, offering to pay a modest board can help.</p>
<p>People do need to be aware that they may need to sign the dog over to rescue temporarily for insurance and liability reasons, and that if they disappear and cannot be contacted for a excessive period of time, which should ALWAYS be determined in writing, the dog/s might be re-homed.</p>
<p>Again,the terms of these arrangements should always always always be spelled out in writing and signed by all involved</p>
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		<title>By: Christie Keith</title>
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		<dc:creator>Christie Keith</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 30 Jul 2009 00:41:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>In San Francisco, rates to board a cat start at around $20 a night. A large dog costs as much as $80 a night, although I&#039;ve seen rates much lower. If someone has a medium sized dog and a cat, let&#039;s just round it out to $50 a night.

That is $1500 a month. And remember -- it could be a LOT more if you had, say, a Labrador retriever.

I guess &quot;not expensive&quot; is, like most things, relative. 

Additionally, many of these people have children, jobs, are moving into housing that doesn&#039;t allow pets (as many, many rentals don&#039;t), and it&#039;s not a situation where they&#039;ll be on the streets for a few weeks. It&#039;s a complete lifestyle change with no end in sight.

I agree: It would take a lot, it would take an apocalypse, for me to let my dogs go into a shelter. But I have no kids, and I live in a place with very mild temperatures. One of the shelter workers who told me she&#039;d &quot;live in my car before I&#039;d give up my dogs!&quot; lives in ARIZONA, where it regularly goes up over 100 degrees in the summer. How the hell was she going to live in her car with dogs? What was she going to do with them during the day?

Of course, that has nothing to do with your suggestion, but apparently I&#039;m still ranting, LOL.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In San Francisco, rates to board a cat start at around $20 a night. A large dog costs as much as $80 a night, although I&#8217;ve seen rates much lower. If someone has a medium sized dog and a cat, let&#8217;s just round it out to $50 a night.</p>
<p>That is $1500 a month. And remember &#8212; it could be a LOT more if you had, say, a Labrador retriever.</p>
<p>I guess &#8220;not expensive&#8221; is, like most things, relative. </p>
<p>Additionally, many of these people have children, jobs, are moving into housing that doesn&#8217;t allow pets (as many, many rentals don&#8217;t), and it&#8217;s not a situation where they&#8217;ll be on the streets for a few weeks. It&#8217;s a complete lifestyle change with no end in sight.</p>
<p>I agree: It would take a lot, it would take an apocalypse, for me to let my dogs go into a shelter. But I have no kids, and I live in a place with very mild temperatures. One of the shelter workers who told me she&#8217;d &#8220;live in my car before I&#8217;d give up my dogs!&#8221; lives in ARIZONA, where it regularly goes up over 100 degrees in the summer. How the hell was she going to live in her car with dogs? What was she going to do with them during the day?</p>
<p>Of course, that has nothing to do with your suggestion, but apparently I&#8217;m still ranting, LOL.</p>
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		<title>By: serijna</title>
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		<dc:creator>serijna</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 29 Jul 2009 23:49:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I was in a situation one time many years ago when I could not provide a home for my three dogs. Surrendering my dogs to a shelter was just unthinkable. Besides, I assumed it would be only temporary. Some weeks, possibly a couple of months.
I had them put up in a boarding kennel  and paid them by the week. It was rough for me for a while living in a fleabag place/car sometimes. 
I wonder why a boarding kennel is not mentioned in this article as a temporary solution. Most people who end up on the street will eventually get back on their feet again.
Boarding kennels are not that expensive.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I was in a situation one time many years ago when I could not provide a home for my three dogs. Surrendering my dogs to a shelter was just unthinkable. Besides, I assumed it would be only temporary. Some weeks, possibly a couple of months.<br />
I had them put up in a boarding kennel  and paid them by the week. It was rough for me for a while living in a fleabag place/car sometimes.<br />
I wonder why a boarding kennel is not mentioned in this article as a temporary solution. Most people who end up on the street will eventually get back on their feet again.<br />
Boarding kennels are not that expensive.</p>
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		<title>By: Christie Keith</title>
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		<dc:creator>Christie Keith</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 29 Jul 2009 23:02:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>JenniferJ, that LAS site is EXACTLY what I&#039;m talking about! That article on &quot;Are you dumping your pet?&quot; is the most manipulative, propagandistic load of crap! That type of approach is so utterly doomed to failure it&#039;s hard for me to believe any organization would dare to link to it. Talk about counterproductive.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>JenniferJ, that LAS site is EXACTLY what I&#8217;m talking about! That article on &#8220;Are you dumping your pet?&#8221; is the most manipulative, propagandistic load of crap! That type of approach is so utterly doomed to failure it&#8217;s hard for me to believe any organization would dare to link to it. Talk about counterproductive.</p>
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		<title>By: Christie Keith</title>
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		<dc:creator>Christie Keith</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 29 Jul 2009 22:58:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Speaking of Facebook, I saw that Becky commented on Gina&#039;s post of this piece there as well as here, primarily objecting to my chracterization of &quot;shelter workers.&quot; 

I did not say anything about &quot;shelter workers&quot;; I said people in animal welfare organizations. The ones I&#039;ve been the angriest at about their framing on this issue haven&#039;t been shelters at all -- well, one of them is PETA and I guess they operate a kind of &lt;s&gt;slaughterhouse&lt;/s&gt; shelter.

The use of terms like &quot;dump&quot; and &quot;abandon&quot; to describe the act of bringing one&#039;s pet to a shelter is so ubiquitous in the animal welfare community that finding examples of it feels kind of like proving the sky is blue. I see it constantly, in online discussions, in the comments section of my article on foreclosure pets, here on Pet Connection, in rants on other blogs, in forums on pet websites... it&#039;s everywhere.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Speaking of Facebook, I saw that Becky commented on Gina&#8217;s post of this piece there as well as here, primarily objecting to my chracterization of &#8220;shelter workers.&#8221; </p>
<p>I did not say anything about &#8220;shelter workers&#8221;; I said people in animal welfare organizations. The ones I&#8217;ve been the angriest at about their framing on this issue haven&#8217;t been shelters at all &#8212; well, one of them is PETA and I guess they operate a kind of <s>slaughterhouse</s> shelter.</p>
<p>The use of terms like &#8220;dump&#8221; and &#8220;abandon&#8221; to describe the act of bringing one&#8217;s pet to a shelter is so ubiquitous in the animal welfare community that finding examples of it feels kind of like proving the sky is blue. I see it constantly, in online discussions, in the comments section of my article on foreclosure pets, here on Pet Connection, in rants on other blogs, in forums on pet websites&#8230; it&#8217;s everywhere.</p>
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