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	<title>Comments on: Nature&#8217;s Variety: They&#8217;re calling it a &#8216;product withdrawal&#8217;</title>
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		<title>By: healthy hound</title>
		<link>http://www.petconnection.com/blog/2009/06/13/natures-variety-theyre-calling-it-a-product-withdrawal/comment-page-1/#comment-484299</link>
		<dc:creator>healthy hound</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 10 Mar 2010 16:09:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>this whole recall is ridiculous - Salmonella??? So what -- anyone that knows anything about dogs knows that dogs intestinal tracts are designed to handle salmonella and they shed the salmonella cells in thier stools.  Sounds like a competitor sabotage to me.

You run just as big of a risk of handling chicken in your kitchen.  As always with handling raw meat -- use safe handling measures -- wash your hand, etc.

I hope people are as concerned about what they put in thier own mouths as they are about what holding company owns who.

Ridiculous.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>this whole recall is ridiculous - Salmonella??? So what &#8212; anyone that knows anything about dogs knows that dogs intestinal tracts are designed to handle salmonella and they shed the salmonella cells in thier stools.  Sounds like a competitor sabotage to me.</p>
<p>You run just as big of a risk of handling chicken in your kitchen.  As always with handling raw meat &#8212; use safe handling measures &#8212; wash your hand, etc.</p>
<p>I hope people are as concerned about what they put in thier own mouths as they are about what holding company owns who.</p>
<p>Ridiculous.</p>
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		<title>By: JC Novak</title>
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		<dc:creator>JC Novak</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 27 Jul 2009 04:01:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I stopped using instinct after a Product withdrawal last march. Was forcing new puppy to eat the duck and learned later it was bad.  Poor cat food was rancid.  anyway, home cooked...for year.  Just received coupons from NV for free bags of dog food dry instinct: duck, rabbit or chicken or Cat instinct rabbit.

says pass it on.  you seem to be ablet to print as many as you like.  4.4 lb bags.

I got a bag of the rabbit for my dog...like it, the first two nights.  third night, he did run about 2 hours later and the next morning he woke me up sick, vomiting and diahrea...

if it wasn&#039;t from the running it was from the food.  What is the deal here?  Last year the problem wasn&#039;t deadly just caused vomiting and diahrea.  great I have 6 bags of the stuff.  

guess it has to go. also pc pantry in boulder said NV sold to new owner and she stopped carrying it first of this year.  not a good sign.  what do I do with these bags of dog and cat.  trash I guess.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I stopped using instinct after a Product withdrawal last march. Was forcing new puppy to eat the duck and learned later it was bad.  Poor cat food was rancid.  anyway, home cooked&#8230;for year.  Just received coupons from NV for free bags of dog food dry instinct: duck, rabbit or chicken or Cat instinct rabbit.</p>
<p>says pass it on.  you seem to be ablet to print as many as you like.  4.4 lb bags.</p>
<p>I got a bag of the rabbit for my dog&#8230;like it, the first two nights.  third night, he did run about 2 hours later and the next morning he woke me up sick, vomiting and diahrea&#8230;</p>
<p>if it wasn&#8217;t from the running it was from the food.  What is the deal here?  Last year the problem wasn&#8217;t deadly just caused vomiting and diahrea.  great I have 6 bags of the stuff.  </p>
<p>guess it has to go. also pc pantry in boulder said NV sold to new owner and she stopped carrying it first of this year.  not a good sign.  what do I do with these bags of dog and cat.  trash I guess.</p>
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		<title>By: Amy</title>
		<link>http://www.petconnection.com/blog/2009/06/13/natures-variety-theyre-calling-it-a-product-withdrawal/comment-page-1/#comment-459604</link>
		<dc:creator>Amy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 18 Jun 2009 08:24:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>They didn&#039;t answer my &quot;do you source any ingredients from China, including vitamin premixes&quot; question, so I&#039;ve never carried them. 

And, a couple months after my inquiry, one of my clients and friends had to make a switch because her dog was throwing up post-meal every time. After being on his food for 3 years. But she wasn&#039;t going to trust it anymore. 

It&#039;s food! It shouldn&#039;t be this difficult! Why do we do this over and over. With the people stuff too. It&#039;s common sense.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>They didn&#8217;t answer my &#8220;do you source any ingredients from China, including vitamin premixes&#8221; question, so I&#8217;ve never carried them. </p>
<p>And, a couple months after my inquiry, one of my clients and friends had to make a switch because her dog was throwing up post-meal every time. After being on his food for 3 years. But she wasn&#8217;t going to trust it anymore. </p>
<p>It&#8217;s food! It shouldn&#8217;t be this difficult! Why do we do this over and over. With the people stuff too. It&#8217;s common sense.</p>
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		<title>By: Carol V</title>
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		<dc:creator>Carol V</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 15 Jun 2009 17:25:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>for anyone interested..Mr Joel Sher just posted at itchmoforums (and changed the name of the thread from Another Problem with Evangers  to FDA Scare)
http://itchmoforums.com/your-problems-with-pet-food/another-problem-with-evangers-t8264.0.html;msg126131#msg126131
good post following by menusux too...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>for anyone interested..Mr Joel Sher just posted at itchmoforums (and changed the name of the thread from Another Problem with Evangers  to FDA Scare)<br />
<a href="http://itchmoforums.com/your-problems-with-pet-food/another-problem-with-evangers-t8264.0.html;msg126131#msg126131" rel="nofollow">http://itchmoforums.com/your-p.....#msg126131</a><br />
good post following by menusux too&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Original Lori</title>
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		<dc:creator>Original Lori</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 15 Jun 2009 14:22:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Whoa, no wonder you&#039;re having trouble. :O( I&#039;ll keep my eyes open. Is gluten bad too?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Whoa, no wonder you&#8217;re having trouble. :O( I&#8217;ll keep my eyes open. Is gluten bad too?</p>
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		<title>By: Christie Keith</title>
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		<dc:creator>Christie Keith</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 15 Jun 2009 14:15:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks, Lori! No poultry... she&#039;s even allergic to DUCK, which she&#039;d never had before. :(</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks, Lori! No poultry&#8230; she&#8217;s even allergic to DUCK, which she&#8217;d never had before. :(</p>
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		<title>By: Original Lori</title>
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		<dc:creator>Original Lori</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 15 Jun 2009 13:07:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Fingers-crossed for Candidae. Kasey actually likes it. 

Christie--I know you didn&#039;t ask for treat suggestions, but I&#039;ve had multiple dog success with dehydrated turkey dogs. (We have an organic turkey farm nearby.) They get all deliciously chewy and jerky-like--and they&#039;re not bad to snack on for us humans either. I could be forgetting one of Kyrie&#039;s restrictions, though.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Fingers-crossed for Candidae. Kasey actually likes it. </p>
<p>Christie&#8212;I know you didn&#8217;t ask for treat suggestions, but I&#8217;ve had multiple dog success with dehydrated turkey dogs. (We have an organic turkey farm nearby.) They get all deliciously chewy and jerky-like&#8212;and they&#8217;re not bad to snack on for us humans either. I could be forgetting one of Kyrie&#8217;s restrictions, though.</p>
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		<title>By: 5CatMom</title>
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		<dc:creator>5CatMom</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 15 Jun 2009 12:52:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Harry, good explanation.  But even some baby formula has been found to contain melamine.

http://www.nytimes.com/2008/11/26/us/26formula.html

IMO, the FDA spends too much energy creating &quot;allowable levels&quot;, and too little energy  preventing contaminants from entering the food supply for pets and humans.

The following from FDA excludes infant formula, but limits melamine (and related compounds) to &quot;below 2.5 ppm&quot; in other food:

http://www.fda.gov/NewsEvents/Newsroom/PressAnnouncements/2008/ucm116960.htm

Reference:
South Korea find melamine in Mar&#039;s products, Snickers, Kit-Kat
http://www.reuters.com/article/rbssConsumerGoodsAndRetailNews/idUSL42706220081004

http://www.fda.gov/ohrms/dockets/ac/08/briefing/2008-4386b3.pdf</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Harry, good explanation.  But even some baby formula has been found to contain melamine.</p>
<p><a href="http://www.nytimes.com/2008/11/26/us/26formula.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.nytimes.com/2008/11.....rmula.html</a></p>
<p>IMO, the FDA spends too much energy creating &#8220;allowable levels&#8221;, and too little energy  preventing contaminants from entering the food supply for pets and humans.</p>
<p>The following from FDA excludes infant formula, but limits melamine (and related compounds) to &#8220;below 2.5 ppm&#8221; in other food:</p>
<p><a href="http://www.fda.gov/NewsEvents/Newsroom/PressAnnouncements/2008/ucm116960.htm" rel="nofollow">http://www.fda.gov/NewsEvents/.....116960.htm</a></p>
<p>Reference:<br />
South Korea find melamine in Mar&#8217;s products, Snickers, Kit-Kat<br />
<a href="http://www.reuters.com/article/rbssConsumerGoodsAndRetailNews/idUSL42706220081004" rel="nofollow">http://www.reuters.com/article.....6220081004</a></p>
<p><a href="http://www.fda.gov/ohrms/dockets/ac/08/briefing/2008-4386b3.pdf" rel="nofollow">http://www.fda.gov/ohrms/docke.....4386b3.pdf</a></p>
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		<title>By: Kim Thornton</title>
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		<dc:creator>Kim Thornton</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 15 Jun 2009 04:22:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sigh. I was just going out tomorrow to buy more NV. Guess I&#039;ll be doing some cooking tomorrow night.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sigh. I was just going out tomorrow to buy more NV. Guess I&#8217;ll be doing some cooking tomorrow night.</p>
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		<title>By: harry gries</title>
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		<dc:creator>harry gries</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 14 Jun 2009 19:21:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Regarding comment #13, see the following http://tinyurl.com/kmztur.

In The Constitution, there are certain rights assigned to the federal gov&#039;t and every thing else is assigned to the states. One of the federal rights is to govern interstate commerce, which is why you see the restriction pertain only to shipping across state lines. Generally, neither the FDA nor the federal gov&#039;t have any power whatsoever pertaining to products produced in one state and sold in the same state. You may think this is wrong and needs to be changed, but it&#039;s the law, like it or not.

A good example of this is the national speed limit. In fact there is no national speed limit because the federal gov&#039;t cannot mandate this. The one exception is for &quot;interstate&quot; highways upon which interstate commerce is transacted, therefore they have jurisdiction.
(There was a so called national speed limit for some time, but it was not the law. The fed gov&#039;t just withheld highway funds to states that did not have a speed limit, so they got their way).

The one exception to this rule is if the regulation serves an &quot;abiding national security interest&quot;. Infant formula qualifies for some reason, since it is strictly regulated by the FDA. I guess pet food (and human food) does not.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Regarding comment #13, see the following <a href="http://tinyurl.com/kmztur" rel="nofollow">http://tinyurl.com/kmztur</a>.</p>
<p>In The Constitution, there are certain rights assigned to the federal gov&#8217;t and every thing else is assigned to the states. One of the federal rights is to govern interstate commerce, which is why you see the restriction pertain only to shipping across state lines. Generally, neither the FDA nor the federal gov&#8217;t have any power whatsoever pertaining to products produced in one state and sold in the same state. You may think this is wrong and needs to be changed, but it&#8217;s the law, like it or not.</p>
<p>A good example of this is the national speed limit. In fact there is no national speed limit because the federal gov&#8217;t cannot mandate this. The one exception is for &#8220;interstate&#8221; highways upon which interstate commerce is transacted, therefore they have jurisdiction.<br />
(There was a so called national speed limit for some time, but it was not the law. The fed gov&#8217;t just withheld highway funds to states that did not have a speed limit, so they got their way).</p>
<p>The one exception to this rule is if the regulation serves an &#8220;abiding national security interest&#8221;. Infant formula qualifies for some reason, since it is strictly regulated by the FDA. I guess pet food (and human food) does not.</p>
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