And yet… I’d still defend your right to have pets, despite all that.

Comment by susan — August 18, 2010

Except that it IS about the government telling you what to do. That’s what laws do.

And it doesn’t solve the problem. In fact, mandatory spay-neuter laws have been a complete failure everywhere they have been tried. More dead pets.

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When you force spay-neuter but don’t put spay-neuter services in communities that need them, pets die. When you do, people spay-neuter and keep their pets and the benefits of living with those animals.

How do you expect to raise a generation of humane children if all you offer them is no pets, or force them to give up so “shelters” can kill their pets?

No-kill communities work. They’re the only game-changer out there. The rest is just punishing people by killing their pets.

My body, my choice. My ANIMAL, my choice.

You don’t get to force me with government coercion in either case. Get the hell out of my life.

You may be “here and commenting,” but you show no sign of either reading or thinking while here.

Second of all, Los Angeles’ ordinance has resulted in HIGHER intake and HIGHER kill rates in the county shelters. Way to go on that one. And the spay/neuter voucher program is a failure and, frankly, a joke. Research it a little. Come back and prove me wrong.

The rest of the judgmental, “if you can’t afford a pet don’t have a pet,” “go to the shelter and see all the animals being killed,” irresponsible pet owner blah blah blah… it’s a failed approach. It doesn’t stop shelter killing. It has failed to miraculously change the entire population of the world into someone who sees things just like you. It will never accomplish that.

The no-kill movement has developed strategies to stop killing homeless animals BEFORE we’ve cured human irresponsibility and created the perfect world of kingdom come. I’m not willing to wait for the day when everyone is suddenly “responsible” and wealthy enough to have a pet and no one ever loses their home and job and has to give up their pet to the shelter.

Many communities have stopped the killing. NOT ONE OF THEM has a spay/neuter ordinance. And not one of them is populated by saints.

All that other stuff is just excuses for doing it the way we’ve always done it: Adopting a few, killing the rest. It has to stop, not someday, but now.

http://www.ocregister.com/arti.....ter-animal

There is also a comments section. Dr Jim from these blog comments is active in them as drjames. LauraS is doing a slam bang job of countering him, but it could use more commenters from those opposed to MSN in general.

If you have forgotten, Dr Jim tried to use New Hampshire (a state funded voluntary program to help financially disadvantaged residents) to justify SB 250, a state mandated unfunded ordinance guaranteed to punish low income pet owners.

Anyone else think it’s a complete coincidence that NH was used to support SB250 by proponents in the bill analysis? And carefully worded to give the impression it’s MSN when it’s not????

My account with the OCR is not letting me comment, I have an email in and hope to have it rectified soon

Thanks. So for some reason, people in her country are more savvy about dog reproductive systems. And it sounds like they use some sort of abortion drug when females get pregnant by accident. I wonder what it would take to get animal owners in this country to follow suit on both.

Unaltered cats that roam free are a whole different topic.

“I would love to know how they do it.

Again, what is “normal/baseline” for people in those countries? Do they never let dogs meet each other? Do they usually have only one dog or keep only one sex? Or do they have plenty of “oops” litters but kill any “excess” pets themselves, instead of taking them to a shelter?

Comment by Mary Mary — June 4, 2009 @ 12:18 pm “

I wrote to a friend of mine who has dogs in Holland and had her read this blog and write me an answer. She gave me something I can post—without her name. But it will give you an idea of what Europeans think, because she is not alone (I’ve heard similar before). Here’s what she told me:

“Lots of people over here see Americans indeed as barbarians in reference to
neutering/spaying dogs in general. We donot understand that at all. Because
we simply donot neuter or spay any dogs without a very good reason. And that
is mostly a healthreason (sickness). So the main reasons for
neutering/spaying is because of medical reasons.
Some people donot like that their female comes into heat; problems with the
hormons, the bleeding so too much of dirth in the house and problems with
keeping them several weeks in the house as well. And also not taking any
risk for a litter.
The males mostly are helped because of a too dominant charakter. And lots of
people think that the charakter will be less dominant afterwards!
So mostly females also are helped because they got an infection (mostly
after their heat). Or get an infection during the pregnancy or after giving
birth.
We also think that it is really barbarian to neuter/spay a female especially
before their first heat.
Not only that but it is proven also to be very wrong! And also the chance on
other forms of cancer are higher incase you neuter/spay before the first
heat.

People over here very are very capable of handle their intact males and
females together.
Also without too much of accident litters. And when an accident by
coincidence comes than suitable people are found for
the puppies often very quickly. But it really does not happen very often.
Nowadays also some people use a medication to break of the pregnancy.

I hope you can do something with my comments.”