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		<title>By: Lisa</title>
		<link>http://www.petconnection.com/blog/2009/04/09/what-works-an-open-but-skeptical-mind/comment-page-1/#comment-435177</link>
		<dc:creator>Lisa</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 25 Apr 2009 12:17:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>None of the holistic modalities works all the time with every individual--and neither does any conventional medical treatment.  The powers that be in big pharma have admitted as much.  Granted, they have done so because they are turning their sights to &quot;genetic medicine,&quot; for lack of a better term.  The operative word here is individual, which is why I believe anecdotal evidence should not be discounted.  Here&#039;s mine: 

My first Scottie, the product of two champions and bred by Scottish terrier breeders with 30+ years of experience, came to me at 9 weeks with a demonstrably hereditary movement disorder so common in the breed it goes by the moniker &quot;Scottie cramp.&quot;  Before his first birthday, this boy began manifesting other, more profound (and possibly also inherited) health problems.  Chief among them was chronic, episodic, and epic vomiting.  For well over a year, we pursued conventional treatment for him--through three states and with twice that many veterinarians.  Every conventional treatment seemed to worsen his condition.  In the end what righted him was a combination of raw food and homeopathy, the latter prescribed by a VMD trained by Dr. Pitcairn.

Now ten years old, my boy is in a state I think of as old complaints revisited.  He can no longer tolerate raw food, and I have been obliged to treat him, from time to time, with such things as antibiotics and ursodiol.  My interest is in maintaining wellness for as long as possible, and I have found (with him, with my other dogs, and with my own health), that combinations of all manner of treatments--modified as needed--best accomplish this aim.  Again, the point is that each of us is an individual who changes over time.

Lisa in Cape May County, N J

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>None of the holistic modalities works all the time with every individual&#8212;and neither does any conventional medical treatment.  The powers that be in big pharma have admitted as much.  Granted, they have done so because they are turning their sights to &#8220;genetic medicine,&#8221; for lack of a better term.  The operative word here is individual, which is why I believe anecdotal evidence should not be discounted.  Here&#8217;s mine: </p>
<p>My first Scottie, the product of two champions and bred by Scottish terrier breeders with 30+ years of experience, came to me at 9 weeks with a demonstrably hereditary movement disorder so common in the breed it goes by the moniker &#8220;Scottie cramp.&#8221;  Before his first birthday, this boy began manifesting other, more profound (and possibly also inherited) health problems.  Chief among them was chronic, episodic, and epic vomiting.  For well over a year, we pursued conventional treatment for him&#8212;through three states and with twice that many veterinarians.  Every conventional treatment seemed to worsen his condition.  In the end what righted him was a combination of raw food and homeopathy, the latter prescribed by a VMD trained by Dr. Pitcairn.</p>
<p>Now ten years old, my boy is in a state I think of as old complaints revisited.  He can no longer tolerate raw food, and I have been obliged to treat him, from time to time, with such things as antibiotics and ursodiol.  My interest is in maintaining wellness for as long as possible, and I have found (with him, with my other dogs, and with my own health), that combinations of all manner of treatments&#8212;modified as needed&#8212;best accomplish this aim.  Again, the point is that each of us is an individual who changes over time.</p>
<p>Lisa in Cape May County, N J</p>
<p>Lisa in Cape May County, NJ</p>
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		<title>By: JenniferJ</title>
		<link>http://www.petconnection.com/blog/2009/04/09/what-works-an-open-but-skeptical-mind/comment-page-1/#comment-435006</link>
		<dc:creator>JenniferJ</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 25 Apr 2009 04:04:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The first time I took a dog in for acupuncture, it was a two year old male bulldog named Manuel. He had had a progressive lameness in his left front which had gone from subtle to non-weight bearing over the course of two months. Two regular practitioners, a surgeon and the ortho dept at UCD had all poked prodded, treated and filmed to no avail. &quot;general soft tissue inflammatory process&quot;.

Both the private practice surgeon and the orthopod ant UCD suggested acupuncture. I went in the first time with my husband and the vet who did the acupuncture, upon learning that Jay was a physician, asked what he thought of the practice. Jay just shrugged and said that if it worked, his opinion was not as important as the dog feeling better.

The acupuncturist was the first person to elicit a specific pain response from Manuel in his elbow. By the end of the first session, he sighed and dropped his weight onto the leg. After six sessions he was sound. He had a half dozen more treatments and was sound until his death at 11.

Anecdotal. yep. Enough to convince me to try again? Yep. I&#039;ve had some dogs respond very well, though not so dramatically as Manuel, but they were also older dogs with chronic issues. I have one old boy who gets maintenance treatments who we&#039;ve been able to drastically reduce the use of rimadyl on with the treatments.

It was enough to finally convince me to take the plunge for my back. It worked great with my L5-S1 pinch. It was the acupuncturist who based on my lack of improvement for my back last year with treatment urged me to see a surgeon for what turned out to be a serious rupture at L4-L5. 

With both dogs and myself, I&#039;ve found acupuncturists to be quite good at knowing if they can help, or if I need to seek other care.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The first time I took a dog in for acupuncture, it was a two year old male bulldog named Manuel. He had had a progressive lameness in his left front which had gone from subtle to non-weight bearing over the course of two months. Two regular practitioners, a surgeon and the ortho dept at UCD had all poked prodded, treated and filmed to no avail. &#8220;general soft tissue inflammatory process&#8221;.</p>
<p>Both the private practice surgeon and the orthopod ant UCD suggested acupuncture. I went in the first time with my husband and the vet who did the acupuncture, upon learning that Jay was a physician, asked what he thought of the practice. Jay just shrugged and said that if it worked, his opinion was not as important as the dog feeling better.</p>
<p>The acupuncturist was the first person to elicit a specific pain response from Manuel in his elbow. By the end of the first session, he sighed and dropped his weight onto the leg. After six sessions he was sound. He had a half dozen more treatments and was sound until his death at 11.</p>
<p>Anecdotal. yep. Enough to convince me to try again? Yep. I&#8217;ve had some dogs respond very well, though not so dramatically as Manuel, but they were also older dogs with chronic issues. I have one old boy who gets maintenance treatments who we&#8217;ve been able to drastically reduce the use of rimadyl on with the treatments.</p>
<p>It was enough to finally convince me to take the plunge for my back. It worked great with my L5-S1 pinch. It was the acupuncturist who based on my lack of improvement for my back last year with treatment urged me to see a surgeon for what turned out to be a serious rupture at L4-L5. </p>
<p>With both dogs and myself, I&#8217;ve found acupuncturists to be quite good at knowing if they can help, or if I need to seek other care.</p>
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		<title>By: Christie Keith</title>
		<link>http://www.petconnection.com/blog/2009/04/09/what-works-an-open-but-skeptical-mind/comment-page-1/#comment-435002</link>
		<dc:creator>Christie Keith</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 25 Apr 2009 03:54:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;for goodness’ sake puppers, did you actually read the articles you linked?&lt;/i&gt;

Of course he or she didn&#039;t. Because one of the techniques of a troll is to do a massive data dump when asked for citations or proof, and just assume we&#039;ll all be so overwhelmed at the sheer volume that we won&#039;t actually notice that THE EMPEROR IS NEKKID.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>for goodness’ sake puppers, did you actually read the articles you linked?</i></p>
<p>Of course he or she didn&#8217;t. Because one of the techniques of a troll is to do a massive data dump when asked for citations or proof, and just assume we&#8217;ll all be so overwhelmed at the sheer volume that we won&#8217;t actually notice that THE EMPEROR IS NEKKID.</p>
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		<title>By: Dr.Narda</title>
		<link>http://www.petconnection.com/blog/2009/04/09/what-works-an-open-but-skeptical-mind/comment-page-1/#comment-434997</link>
		<dc:creator>Dr.Narda</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 25 Apr 2009 03:45:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Puppers wrote:

&quot;You didn’t answer any of the questions I posed to you.&quot;

That&#039;s because I&#039;m not going to waste my time in the endless game that gets played with this sort of dialogue that goes nowhere.  I have little patience for people driven by belief systems, and as Lis astutely indicated, this discussion would just provide a pulpit for a sermon quackery rather than any meaningful dialogue.  

I also wanted to point to the Reiki article in Veterinary Practice News (VPN) to illustrate what I more often encounter, which are tirades from the holistic community on why this or that belief-system based therapy works, despite what scientific studies say.  I prefer to let the evidence speak for itself, either way, with as little attachment to the outcome as possible.

I have an article due on Monday for my next Veterinary Practice News column.  This one will be on the value of acupuncture for spinal cord injury.  I have a stack of recently published, rigorous, peer-reviewed papers that support acupuncture for neurological improvement and pain reduction that I am going to read tonight.  I&#039;d much rather spend my time on my complementary medicine column in VPN that will actually benefit animals by disseminating to the veterinary community scientific, evidence-based information regarding acupuncture&#039;s value for dogs with disk disease.  If you&#039;re interested in more information regarding acupuncture for animals, read my articles on the subject at http://csuvets.colostate.edu/pain/articles.htm .</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Puppers wrote:</p>
<p>&#8220;You didn’t answer any of the questions I posed to you.&#8221;</p>
<p>That&#8217;s because I&#8217;m not going to waste my time in the endless game that gets played with this sort of dialogue that goes nowhere.  I have little patience for people driven by belief systems, and as Lis astutely indicated, this discussion would just provide a pulpit for a sermon quackery rather than any meaningful dialogue.  </p>
<p>I also wanted to point to the Reiki article in Veterinary Practice News (VPN) to illustrate what I more often encounter, which are tirades from the holistic community on why this or that belief-system based therapy works, despite what scientific studies say.  I prefer to let the evidence speak for itself, either way, with as little attachment to the outcome as possible.</p>
<p>I have an article due on Monday for my next Veterinary Practice News column.  This one will be on the value of acupuncture for spinal cord injury.  I have a stack of recently published, rigorous, peer-reviewed papers that support acupuncture for neurological improvement and pain reduction that I am going to read tonight.  I&#8217;d much rather spend my time on my complementary medicine column in VPN that will actually benefit animals by disseminating to the veterinary community scientific, evidence-based information regarding acupuncture&#8217;s value for dogs with disk disease.  If you&#8217;re interested in more information regarding acupuncture for animals, read my articles on the subject at <a href="http://csuvets.colostate.edu/pain/articles.htm" rel="nofollow">http://csuvets.colostate.edu/pain/articles.htm</a> .</p>
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		<title>By: Gina Spadafori</title>
		<link>http://www.petconnection.com/blog/2009/04/09/what-works-an-open-but-skeptical-mind/comment-page-1/#comment-434971</link>
		<dc:creator>Gina Spadafori</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 25 Apr 2009 02:48:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I can&#039;t speak to Reiki, since I couldn&#039;t have even explained what it was before I looked it up after this post. 

But I had a similar experience with acupuncture and an elderly dog. I came home to CA from FL with my 14-year-old Sheltie, whose arthritis pain was so severe I was considering euthanasia because of his reduced quality of life. When I was living in a beach house on stilts, I had to carry him up and down the stairs three times a day, and he couldn&#039;t make it over the dune in front of the house to enjoy the beach. 

My vet back in CA had no more Western options for Andy. &quot;You could try acupuncture,&quot; he shrugged, and gave me a name.  I almost didn&#039;t bother, wasn&#039;t sure it would help, but I wanted to give Andy a chance before I put him down. &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.sacvetrehab.com/IVCStaff.htm&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Dr. Signe Beebe&lt;/a&gt; -- formerly a critical and emergency care vet who studied integrative care after a health crisis of her own --  gave Andy six months of high-quality life. In fact, she gave him his life back. After he got into a treatment routine, he worked up happily to a slow four-block walk every day, slept  and ate well and enjoyed himself immensely. When he died, it was sudden: His old heart finally gave out. 

Yeah, it&#039;s anecdotal. But that sort of experience will open your eyes to the possibilities. Nothing changed with this old dog except acupuncture. And I&#039;m convinced it changed &lt;em&gt;him&lt;/em&gt;, for the better. 

Dr. Paul Pion, the world-renowned veterinary cardiologist, co-founder of &lt;a href=&quot;http://vin.com&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;VIN &lt;/a&gt;and my &quot;Cats For Dummies&quot; co-author, is fond of saying that what&#039;s interesting about medicine is not what we know, but what we &lt;em&gt;don&#039;t&lt;/em&gt; know.  And he has the open mind to finding out. It&#039;s one my favorite things about the man. </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I can&#8217;t speak to Reiki, since I couldn&#8217;t have even explained what it was before I looked it up after this post. </p>
<p>But I had a similar experience with acupuncture and an elderly dog. I came home to CA from FL with my 14-year-old Sheltie, whose arthritis pain was so severe I was considering euthanasia because of his reduced quality of life. When I was living in a beach house on stilts, I had to carry him up and down the stairs three times a day, and he couldn&#8217;t make it over the dune in front of the house to enjoy the beach. </p>
<p>My vet back in CA had no more Western options for Andy. &#8220;You could try acupuncture,&#8221; he shrugged, and gave me a name.  I almost didn&#8217;t bother, wasn&#8217;t sure it would help, but I wanted to give Andy a chance before I put him down. <a href="http://www.sacvetrehab.com/IVCStaff.htm" rel="nofollow">Dr. Signe Beebe</a> &#8212; formerly a critical and emergency care vet who studied integrative care after a health crisis of her own &#8212;  gave Andy six months of high-quality life. In fact, she gave him his life back. After he got into a treatment routine, he worked up happily to a slow four-block walk every day, slept  and ate well and enjoyed himself immensely. When he died, it was sudden: His old heart finally gave out. </p>
<p>Yeah, it&#8217;s anecdotal. But that sort of experience will open your eyes to the possibilities. Nothing changed with this old dog except acupuncture. And I&#8217;m convinced it changed <em>him</em>, for the better. </p>
<p>Dr. Paul Pion, the world-renowned veterinary cardiologist, co-founder of <a href="http://vin.com" rel="nofollow">VIN </a>and my &#8220;Cats For Dummies&#8221; co-author, is fond of saying that what&#8217;s interesting about medicine is not what we know, but what we <em>don&#8217;t</em> know.  And he has the open mind to finding out. It&#8217;s one my favorite things about the man.</p>
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		<title>By: EmilyS</title>
		<link>http://www.petconnection.com/blog/2009/04/09/what-works-an-open-but-skeptical-mind/comment-page-1/#comment-434969</link>
		<dc:creator>EmilyS</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 25 Apr 2009 02:46:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>for goodness&#039; sake puppers, did you actually read the articles you linked?

&quot;Some encouraging data do exist that warrant further investigation in independent rigorous trials.&quot;  is from the abstract for &quot;Effectiveness of acupuncture in veterinary medicine: systematic review.&quot;  It hardly supports your characterization that studies &quot;debunk&quot; accupuncture</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>for goodness&#8217; sake puppers, did you actually read the articles you linked?</p>
<p>&#8220;Some encouraging data do exist that warrant further investigation in independent rigorous trials.&#8221;  is from the abstract for &#8220;Effectiveness of acupuncture in veterinary medicine: systematic review.&#8221;  It hardly supports your characterization that studies &#8220;debunk&#8221; accupuncture</p>
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		<title>By: Anne T</title>
		<link>http://www.petconnection.com/blog/2009/04/09/what-works-an-open-but-skeptical-mind/comment-page-1/#comment-434959</link>
		<dc:creator>Anne T</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 25 Apr 2009 02:32:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well Puppers, I won&#039;t bother to tell my 12 year old dog who is now back on a regular regimen of acupuncture that in your estimation his treatment is bogus, especially when he comes out charged with energy and feeling great.
    Gina may beat me, but from my personal, useless anecodtal experience with my dogs, alternative therapies like Reike and Acupuncture have a very valid place in the overall holoistic approach to maintaining canine health. You are entitled to your opinions, but as far as I am concerned, you can piss in your boot and swim.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well Puppers, I won&#8217;t bother to tell my 12 year old dog who is now back on a regular regimen of acupuncture that in your estimation his treatment is bogus, especially when he comes out charged with energy and feeling great.<br />
    Gina may beat me, but from my personal, useless anecodtal experience with my dogs, alternative therapies like Reike and Acupuncture have a very valid place in the overall holoistic approach to maintaining canine health. You are entitled to your opinions, but as far as I am concerned, you can piss in your boot and swim.</p>
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		<title>By: Lis</title>
		<link>http://www.petconnection.com/blog/2009/04/09/what-works-an-open-but-skeptical-mind/comment-page-1/#comment-434914</link>
		<dc:creator>Lis</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 25 Apr 2009 00:35:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;Puppers/lexipup&quot;, I posted a cite over on Dolittler, to a paper in a peer-reviewed medical journal, which concluded that acupuncture had real and positive effects on the rabbits used in the study. It was recent, and it was not by any means the only one I found.

You can fairly say that the evidence is not conclusive. You cannot fairly say that acupuncture is disproven in animals. And no, the fact that there are peer-reviewed studies on both sides of the question does not constitute proof that acupuncture doesn&#039;t work. It constitutes proof that we don&#039;t have a conclusive answer either way, and that we have evidence on both sides.

Lack of evidence that acupuncture works, after a few decades, would constitute a strong argument that it doesn&#039;t. That&#039;s not what we have. What we do have, is peer-reviewed studies on both sides of the question, plus extensive clinical experience.

You may believe you are being skeptical, but you&#039;re not. You&#039;re displaying a passionate &lt;i&gt;belief&lt;/i&gt; on one side of the question, inflamed with rage and even hatred of anyone who doesn&#039;t share your belief.

This does not help you persuade anyone to your point of view.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Puppers/lexipup&#8221;, I posted a cite over on Dolittler, to a paper in a peer-reviewed medical journal, which concluded that acupuncture had real and positive effects on the rabbits used in the study. It was recent, and it was not by any means the only one I found.</p>
<p>You can fairly say that the evidence is not conclusive. You cannot fairly say that acupuncture is disproven in animals. And no, the fact that there are peer-reviewed studies on both sides of the question does not constitute proof that acupuncture doesn&#8217;t work. It constitutes proof that we don&#8217;t have a conclusive answer either way, and that we have evidence on both sides.</p>
<p>Lack of evidence that acupuncture works, after a few decades, would constitute a strong argument that it doesn&#8217;t. That&#8217;s not what we have. What we do have, is peer-reviewed studies on both sides of the question, plus extensive clinical experience.</p>
<p>You may believe you are being skeptical, but you&#8217;re not. You&#8217;re displaying a passionate <i>belief</i> on one side of the question, inflamed with rage and even hatred of anyone who doesn&#8217;t share your belief.</p>
<p>This does not help you persuade anyone to your point of view.</p>
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		<title>By: Gina Spadafori</title>
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		<dc:creator>Gina Spadafori</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 24 Apr 2009 23:41:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>As for your article, it is quite easy to spot the quackery, not to mention the bias of the medical journals. 

Comment by puppers — April 24, 2009

Quackery? Oh geez, not much bias in your response, huh? 

As Dr. Robinson wrote, it&#039;s pretty easy to fling the feces of invective while citing psuedo-scientific sources. Honestly, though, you bring a tad more credibility when you write with your real name, as the bloggers here do. She also explained to you her approach to these treatment options, in the original post and in her follow-up comment. I guess you missed the part -- twice -- where she wrote that research into finding out if these treatments work is what she does. 

You said you didn&#039;t believe me when I said I hadn&#039;t deleted your first comment, that it was caught in the spam filter. You can believe this now: You&#039;ll post in your own name with a link to your own credentials for continuation of this discussion, or I&#039;ll consider you just another gutless troll. 

Your call, &quot;puppers.&quot; Pony up your creds or take it elsewhere. </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As for your article, it is quite easy to spot the quackery, not to mention the bias of the medical journals. </p>
<p>Comment by puppers — April 24, 2009</p>
<p>Quackery? Oh geez, not much bias in your response, huh? </p>
<p>As Dr. Robinson wrote, it&#8217;s pretty easy to fling the feces of invective while citing psuedo-scientific sources. Honestly, though, you bring a tad more credibility when you write with your real name, as the bloggers here do. She also explained to you her approach to these treatment options, in the original post and in her follow-up comment. I guess you missed the part &#8212; twice &#8212; where she wrote that research into finding out if these treatments work is what she does. </p>
<p>You said you didn&#8217;t believe me when I said I hadn&#8217;t deleted your first comment, that it was caught in the spam filter. You can believe this now: You&#8217;ll post in your own name with a link to your own credentials for continuation of this discussion, or I&#8217;ll consider you just another gutless troll. </p>
<p>Your call, &#8220;puppers.&#8221; Pony up your creds or take it elsewhere.</p>
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		<title>By: puppers</title>
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		<dc:creator>puppers</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 24 Apr 2009 23:29:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You&#039;re quite right about the proven vs unproven, but how long does it take for the alt crew to accept the fact that after years and years, it isn&#039;t going to work (homeopathy, for example, the worst example of alternative &quot;therapy&quot; ever, I&#039;m not saying that of opinion either, mind you, it has thoroughly and rigorously been proven to be nothing more than wishful thinking).  Reiki is also nothing more than a belief that has absolutely no evidence, and if you have evidence to the contrary, I invite you to share it.

As for your article, it is quite easy to spot the quackery, not to mention the bias of the medical journals.  I&#039;m sorry, but no amount of either false practicing or wishful thinking even, by a practitioner placing hands over an ill patient is ever going to amount to anything more than a conceived perception on the part of the practitioner and the patient.  Again, animals don&#039;t have the luxury to tell you it isn&#039;t working.  Of course, in any clinical environment with hands-on application, animals are going to show you they are relaxed, or calmer, simply because you are giving them added attention, petting, soothing voice, all the norms of their everyday environment.

How can you conscientiously support further research in methods clearly suggestive of quackery?  Wouldn&#039;t it be more feasible and cost-effective to focus on the few things that show an ounce of worthiness to persue?  And why is it that proponents can&#039;t seem to gather up the necessary collective minds and funding to fund such research?  If it were so promising, the medical establishment as we know it today would be on the bandwagon to find the ultimate alternative cures.  It truly is disheartening to see people revert to the dark ages in medicine, not because &quot;big pharma&quot; or conventional medicine can&#039;t produce the cures, but because of sheer desperation and gullibility on the part of a horribly misinformed society.  Even worse, when you abandon all reason and apply the nonsense to pets who don&#039;t have a choice in the matter.     

You didn&#039;t answer any of the questions I posed to you.  

Do you or do you not have clinical evidence that acupuncture and reiki were effective, or as you implied, the resolution, in the rabbit&#039;s treatment?  If so, please provide an analysis.  If not, please explain why you believe it did, in a logical viewpoint that does not harbor on wishful thinking or mere perception on the practitioner or pet owner&#039;s part.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You&#8217;re quite right about the proven vs unproven, but how long does it take for the alt crew to accept the fact that after years and years, it isn&#8217;t going to work (homeopathy, for example, the worst example of alternative &#8220;therapy&#8221; ever, I&#8217;m not saying that of opinion either, mind you, it has thoroughly and rigorously been proven to be nothing more than wishful thinking).  Reiki is also nothing more than a belief that has absolutely no evidence, and if you have evidence to the contrary, I invite you to share it.</p>
<p>As for your article, it is quite easy to spot the quackery, not to mention the bias of the medical journals.  I&#8217;m sorry, but no amount of either false practicing or wishful thinking even, by a practitioner placing hands over an ill patient is ever going to amount to anything more than a conceived perception on the part of the practitioner and the patient.  Again, animals don&#8217;t have the luxury to tell you it isn&#8217;t working.  Of course, in any clinical environment with hands-on application, animals are going to show you they are relaxed, or calmer, simply because you are giving them added attention, petting, soothing voice, all the norms of their everyday environment.</p>
<p>How can you conscientiously support further research in methods clearly suggestive of quackery?  Wouldn&#8217;t it be more feasible and cost-effective to focus on the few things that show an ounce of worthiness to persue?  And why is it that proponents can&#8217;t seem to gather up the necessary collective minds and funding to fund such research?  If it were so promising, the medical establishment as we know it today would be on the bandwagon to find the ultimate alternative cures.  It truly is disheartening to see people revert to the dark ages in medicine, not because &#8220;big pharma&#8221; or conventional medicine can&#8217;t produce the cures, but because of sheer desperation and gullibility on the part of a horribly misinformed society.  Even worse, when you abandon all reason and apply the nonsense to pets who don&#8217;t have a choice in the matter.     </p>
<p>You didn&#8217;t answer any of the questions I posed to you.  </p>
<p>Do you or do you not have clinical evidence that acupuncture and reiki were effective, or as you implied, the resolution, in the rabbit&#8217;s treatment?  If so, please provide an analysis.  If not, please explain why you believe it did, in a logical viewpoint that does not harbor on wishful thinking or mere perception on the practitioner or pet owner&#8217;s part.</p>
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