How do we get the PETA “believers” to know the real truth about PETA?

I am a former long time member of PETA. I am also a former long time member of ALDF. In fact, I personally met Steve Ann Chambers when she was ALDF’s president. I cancelled my membership and stopped my donations to both organizations when you first attacked Primarily Primates.

That attack on a fellow animal rights organization is unprecedented.

You’ve already had two previous law suits dismissed for unsubstantiated claims. Do you honestly believe your members are donating money to PETA so that you can spend money to try to close down an animal shelter?

Primarily Primates animals are typically the throwaways from pet trade and biomedical research facilities and without PPI’s intervention would have had an uncertain future – if any at all.

Why waste monies that could be used to stop animal cruelty and to educate the populace by attacking an animal sanctuary? Why force PPI to spend money defending themselves from PETA… money that should be spent on food, shelter and veterinarian care for the animals in their care?

Have you advised your membership base that you are attempting your third lawsuit? Have you disclosed how much you spent on the previous two lawsuits that were dismissed? Have you advised your membership base that you would rather all of the animals at Primarily Primates be given back to biomedical research facilities or better still be euthanized? Does your membership base know that you have stated that you would come in to work early to euthanize animals?

When I have an animal neutered, I drop him off in the morning, and pick him up in the afternoon. My vet never owns the critter.

Pretty much the same thing that happened when I had a medical procedure recently.

That’s “taking in?” So all vets, groomers, and doggie daycares are operating an animal shelter?

I suppose by some twisted logic … I mean, they do have a roof and probably four walls …

JenniferJ, I almost peed myself —

Cause, see, we don’t have a walk in freezer, so it’s just too much trouble to figure out where to put the bodies so may as well treat them and place them.

PETA does take in a fair number of dogs and cats for the purpose of spay neuter. Having those numbers mixed in may make PETAs numbers look marginally better on the surface, but doesn’t alter the FACT that all but 7 of the dogs, cats and others they took in as a SHELTER died at their hands.

A 30 MILLION DOLLAR organization saved 7 animals! Hey, give em a medal. While your at it, you can give the little 501c3 my husband is the treasurer for and I helped found a f****g Nobel Prize because on a yearly budget of less than 8 THOUSAND DOLLARS we rehomed 71 dogs last year, including spay neuter and in some cases extensive medical treatment. Over half were shelter dogs, and many who were destined for euthanasia due to various health issues if we had not agreed to take them on. I get the bald sticky ones with ringworm and mange by the way, kind of my specialty.

Cause, see, we don’t have a walk in freezer, so it’s just too much trouble to figure out where to put the bodies so may as well treat them and place them.

We’re talking abused dogs, starved dogs, pregnant dogs, blind dogs, dogs with fractures, 7 year old un-housetrained dogs. Cute dogs, ugly dogs, puppies and geriatrics.

Not all make it. Some die, some are put down for mercy reasons or behavior problems which cannot be reasonably managed or remedied. 90% graduated to a new life and loving homes. We are “open admission” for our breed, and a few extras and on less than ten grand last year we beat out PETA by 1000%.

Fact.

“PETA, of course, tries to hide all of this, but the state of Virginia is not having any part of it.

Virginia has a legal requirement that all shelters report out how many dogs, cats and other animals are surrendered, how many are placed, and how many are rehomed.

PETA refuses to fill out the forms as asked by the state of Virginia, however, and every year a little charade occurs. This charade appears to be designed to slow down the posting of PETA’s kill information to the Virginia Department of Agriculture and Consumer Services website. PETA, it seems, is embarassed by their own numbers. Not embarassed enough to change what they do, mind you, but just embarassed enough to try to keep comparative data away from the public’s prying eyes.

And so, instead of reporting the data in the form requested, PETA mixes in unrelated spay and neuter data. They have done this for several years running now, and apparently they are doing it again this year, as the numbers are still not up on the Virginia state web site. PETA will eventually cough up the forms properly filled out, of course, but by then several months will have gone by. Heck, several months have already gone by.

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So how do we know what PETA’s numbers are for 2008?

Simple: Just because PETA intentionally mangles the paperwork so that the data does not show up up on time on the Virginia state web site does not mean that they do not file something as a place holder. That paperwork does exist, and you can read it yourself right here and tease out the kill data, just as I have.”

Click for the chart … or just put your fingers in your ears and sing “la la la.”

http://terriermandotcom.blogsp.....ghter.html

If you look at the numbers and you really do care about those pets, you should then read this, by no-kill leader Nathan Winograd, here:

“While those who now dare to call Newkirk’s slaughter for what it is may be threatened with litigation, or be attacked in other ways, history will vindicate them, as it always does for those who—despite the personal costs—defend what is right by challenging tyrants. While those who remained silent in the face of these atrocities—the hypocritical leaders of other organizations who take her telephone calls, shake her hand, stand side-by-side with her, and take personal pride in their association with her—will someday have to answer for this complicity, and will face the shame that comes with answering “nothing” when asked what they did to stop Newkirk’s bloody reign at PETA.

Because engrave this in stone: As soon as Newkirk and her pro-killing cultish devotees are gone, PETA will immediately, completely, and without reservation embrace the No Kill philosophy and become one of its leading champions. When that happens; when her actions are thoroughly and completely seen by everyone for what they truly are; when she is condemned and finally, finally, thankfully, finally, we don’t have to hold our breath, clench our teeth, shake with rage, or cry at the thought of what PETA did to those poor animals, we will all be left wondering just what took us so damned long to rise up and stop this villain in our midst.”

Why is anyone still listening to PETA?

You’re entitled to your own opinion, but not to your own facts.

You might want to check YOUR facts.

yes, 988/3175 total, =31%

Our (paid) friends from CCF take the numbers out of context. Yes, their slight of hand seems to make sense. What likely happened is someone at PETA or VA made a typo: notice how ‘reclaimed by owner’ is nearly twice as many as surrendered by owner?

or

look at the total statewide for all shelters:
http://www.virginia.gov/vdacs_.....search.cgi
the total euthanized/total is 33017/96000

aprox 30%, same as PETA.

Seriously, if this was a PETA wide conspiracy, you’d be able to audit every PETA run shelter and see the same thing. Always distrsut a single data point.

I have finally figured it out, and PETA themselves provided the clue.

Remember the recent “body bag” ad campaign? Every time someone breeds or buys, a shelter dog dies? Like “Every time a bell rings, an angel gets their wings”?

I mean it’s perfect logic.

Hence, every time PETA kills an adoptable animal, a shelter dog or cat is saved! Huzzah!

Oh, wait, something about that feels odd. Can’t quite put my finger on it. Let me go back and look at PETA’s shelter numbers again. No no, don’t tell, I figure it out.

Late 70s 20-21 million killed in shelters Allen. Last year DOWN to approx 4 million. With a good proportion on those needing to be addressed through feral cat management via TNR, something PETA also decries as a fate worse than death. I’ll be sure to tell the fat TNR’d ferals that they would be better off dead when I see them later today.

If PETA turned its offices into a no-kill shelter, it would fill up in about a week. Then they would end up spending all of their member’s donations caring for a relatively few dogs and cats for the rest of their lives while millions of other dogs and cats go without homes around the country. That’s not how I would want my money spent. I would prefer PETA spend my donation money more wisely - to help as many animals as possible.

Oh, this one’s easy. If they don’t want to shelter animals, then they can just keep their hands off them. That way they don’t have to worry about crowding their precious offices with all those dogs and cats, and you don’t have to worry about them using your money on them.

In other words, if they’re not going to put any effort into saving their lives, then just leave them the he!! alone!