Comments on: She who makes the decision: BIS judge Sari Tietjen http://www.petconnection.com/blog/2009/02/10/she-who-makes-the-decision-bis-judge-sari-tietjen/ Blogging by a team of pet-care experts led by Dr. Marty Becker. Thu, 18 Mar 2010 03:12:46 -0400 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.8.4 hourly 1 By: Kim Thornton http://www.petconnection.com/blog/2009/02/10/she-who-makes-the-decision-bis-judge-sari-tietjen/comment-page-1/#comment-401149 Kim Thornton Thu, 12 Feb 2009 16:15:38 +0000 http://www.petconnection.com/blog/?p=5383#comment-401149 Yes, Barb is correct. Once a judge is qualified to judge one group, he or she may apply to become a Best In Show judge--which is not the same as an all-breed judge. Yes, Barb is correct. Once a judge is qualified to judge one group, he or she may apply to become a Best In Show judge—which is not the same as an all-breed judge.

]]> By: The OTHER Pat http://www.petconnection.com/blog/2009/02/10/she-who-makes-the-decision-bis-judge-sari-tietjen/comment-page-1/#comment-401114 The OTHER Pat Thu, 12 Feb 2009 14:08:27 +0000 http://www.petconnection.com/blog/?p=5383#comment-401114 I'm not sure I'm allowed to answer that, Barb. The disclaimer at the end of the emails I received reads "This email is intended only for the person or entity to which it is addressed. Neither the AKC nor its writer authorizes you to disseminate, distribute or publish this e-mail in any form." (and hopefully I won't get in trouble just for quoting the disclaimer!) She was quite clear that anyone else with questions needs to email them directly to: judgingops@akc.org I’m not sure I’m allowed to answer that, Barb. The disclaimer at the end of the emails I received reads “This email is intended only for the person or entity to which it is addressed. Neither the AKC nor its writer authorizes you to disseminate, distribute or publish this e-mail in any form.” (and hopefully I won’t get in trouble just for quoting the disclaimer!)

She was quite clear that anyone else with questions needs to email them directly to:

judgingops@akc.org

]]> By: Barb http://www.petconnection.com/blog/2009/02/10/she-who-makes-the-decision-bis-judge-sari-tietjen/comment-page-1/#comment-401042 Barb Thu, 12 Feb 2009 05:24:06 +0000 http://www.petconnection.com/blog/?p=5383#comment-401042 If I remember correctly - I'm not a judge, but we show in conformation and I've got a few friends who are judges and I've asked about this - once a judge gets approved for all of the breeds in one Group (i.e. Working, Herding, etc.) then they are also qualified to judge BIS. However - especially at large shows - it is preferred that the BIS judge be qualified to judge several Groups. When a judge takes an assignment to judge BIS, I guess they just study up on the other breeds. Judges who are qualified to judge every breed, in every group are called "All Breed" judges and there are very few of them. And of course, no judge will have actual, real life experience with more than a few breeds - the ones the judge has actually owned, lived with, bred and/or handled. Judges who are approved to judge a lot of breeds do most of it based on "book learning" rather than real experience. A judge who has a history of actually owning, living with, showing and breeding the breed that he or she has been hired to judge is called a "breeder judge" and they are greatly preferred for breed specialty shows. OTHER Pat, does that agree at all with what you were told? Or am I just blowing smoke? :-) If I remember correctly - I’m not a judge, but we show in conformation and I’ve got a few friends who are judges and I’ve asked about this - once a judge gets approved for all of the breeds in one Group (i.e. Working, Herding, etc.) then they are also qualified to judge BIS. However - especially at large shows - it is preferred that the BIS judge be qualified to judge several Groups. When a judge takes an assignment to judge BIS, I guess they just study up on the other breeds.

Judges who are qualified to judge every breed, in every group are called “All Breed” judges and there are very few of them.

And of course, no judge will have actual, real life experience with more than a few breeds - the ones the judge has actually owned, lived with, bred and/or handled. Judges who are approved to judge a lot of breeds do most of it based on “book learning” rather than real experience.

A judge who has a history of actually owning, living with, showing and breeding the breed that he or she has been hired to judge is called a “breeder judge” and they are greatly preferred for breed specialty shows.

OTHER Pat, does that agree at all with what you were told? Or am I just blowing smoke? :-)

]]> By: Kim Thornton http://www.petconnection.com/blog/2009/02/10/she-who-makes-the-decision-bis-judge-sari-tietjen/comment-page-1/#comment-400973 Kim Thornton Wed, 11 Feb 2009 22:30:26 +0000 http://www.petconnection.com/blog/?p=5383#comment-400973 Stand by; I'm waiting to hear from a dog judge what the requirements are. Stand by; I’m waiting to hear from a dog judge what the requirements are.

]]> By: Nadine L. http://www.petconnection.com/blog/2009/02/10/she-who-makes-the-decision-bis-judge-sari-tietjen/comment-page-1/#comment-400953 Nadine L. Wed, 11 Feb 2009 20:41:43 +0000 http://www.petconnection.com/blog/?p=5383#comment-400953 Had the same question myself and I'm sure there are many others. What's the purpose of the "All-Breed Judge" designation then? It's too late if there was an oversight - there won't be a replay. Or will there? Had the same question myself and I’m sure there are many others. What’s the purpose of the “All-Breed Judge” designation then? It’s too late if there was an oversight - there won’t be a replay. Or will there?

]]> By: The OTHER Pat http://www.petconnection.com/blog/2009/02/10/she-who-makes-the-decision-bis-judge-sari-tietjen/comment-page-1/#comment-400949 The OTHER Pat Wed, 11 Feb 2009 20:27:52 +0000 http://www.petconnection.com/blog/?p=5383#comment-400949 Comment by Christopher — February 10, 2009 @ 11:42 pm <i>Not that I really care deeply, but how is it that she’s allowed to judge BIS and is not approved to judge the herding breeds?</i> I emailed AKC to ask about this since I couldn't find anything on the website. I did receive a response, but was declined permission to post it here. Others with questions are directed to email them to: judgingops@akc.org Comment by Christopher — February 10, 2009 @ 11:42 pm

Not that I really care deeply, but how is it that she’s allowed to judge BIS and is not approved to judge the herding breeds?

I emailed AKC to ask about this since I couldn’t find anything on the website. I did receive a response, but was declined permission to post it here. Others with questions are directed to email them to:

judgingops@akc.org

]]> By: Christie Keith http://www.petconnection.com/blog/2009/02/10/she-who-makes-the-decision-bis-judge-sari-tietjen/comment-page-1/#comment-400900 Christie Keith Wed, 11 Feb 2009 17:07:03 +0000 http://www.petconnection.com/blog/?p=5383#comment-400900 You know, there was a Deerhound DC who won the breed TWICE at the Garden, and they never mentioned it or explained it. And Rory's DC is not in the catalogue where he's listed as Tiger's sire. Sometimes the dogs have performance titles, even field championships, and we never know. I emailed David last night and told him about Tiger's sire being the top field deerhound in history as well as a conformation champion. He either didn't get it or didn't have time/desire to use the info when Tiger showed in the BIS ring. Too bad. You know, there was a Deerhound DC who won the breed TWICE at the Garden, and they never mentioned it or explained it. And Rory’s DC is not in the catalogue where he’s listed as Tiger’s sire.

Sometimes the dogs have performance titles, even field championships, and we never know.

I emailed David last night and told him about Tiger’s sire being the top field deerhound in history as well as a conformation champion. He either didn’t get it or didn’t have time/desire to use the info when Tiger showed in the BIS ring. Too bad.

]]> By: Lori http://www.petconnection.com/blog/2009/02/10/she-who-makes-the-decision-bis-judge-sari-tietjen/comment-page-1/#comment-400892 Lori Wed, 11 Feb 2009 16:39:07 +0000 http://www.petconnection.com/blog/?p=5383#comment-400892 I LOVE Gordon Setters. I LOVE Gordon Setters.

]]> By: Kim Thornton http://www.petconnection.com/blog/2009/02/10/she-who-makes-the-decision-bis-judge-sari-tietjen/comment-page-1/#comment-400888 Kim Thornton Wed, 11 Feb 2009 16:28:15 +0000 http://www.petconnection.com/blog/?p=5383#comment-400888 Just for fun, while I waited for it to be 8:30 so I could call someone, I went to the WKC site to see how many of the invited dogs had working or sport titles. Sporting dogs are the winners, with 31, Hounds and Herding each had 13, Terrier had 3, Working had 2, Toy had 1 (a CKCS with a rally title--this breeder is known for doing sports with her Cavaliers), and Non-Sporting dogs had none. Only the Gordon Setter was a dual champion. And I thought it was sad that none of the Plotts or Border Collies had working titles. Just for fun, while I waited for it to be 8:30 so I could call someone, I went to the WKC site to see how many of the invited dogs had working or sport titles. Sporting dogs are the winners, with 31, Hounds and Herding each had 13, Terrier had 3, Working had 2, Toy had 1 (a CKCS with a rally title—this breeder is known for doing sports with her Cavaliers), and Non-Sporting dogs had none. Only the Gordon Setter was a dual champion. And I thought it was sad that none of the Plotts or Border Collies had working titles.

]]> By: Kim Thornton http://www.petconnection.com/blog/2009/02/10/she-who-makes-the-decision-bis-judge-sari-tietjen/comment-page-1/#comment-400873 Kim Thornton Wed, 11 Feb 2009 15:19:52 +0000 http://www.petconnection.com/blog/?p=5383#comment-400873 I believe Stump was entered but they didn't decide for sure to take him until just before the show. There are so few Sussex Spaniels that they can probably all enter. LOL. I believe Stump was entered but they didn’t decide for sure to take him until just before the show. There are so few Sussex Spaniels that they can probably all enter. LOL.

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