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		<title>By: Kimberly Helgeson Sams</title>
		<link>http://www.petconnection.com/blog/2009/02/09/the-devil-sports-a-continental-clip/comment-page-1/#comment-464614</link>
		<dc:creator>Kimberly Helgeson Sams</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 02 Jul 2009 07:23:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I have always admired the breath taking quality of poodles. Just something about them. Love the title - that really caught my eye - The Devil wears Prada...er continental clip, LOL. The whole fci thing boggles my mind, I had to deal with this a while back in cyber dogs (an online purebred dog game I help run) and it was crazy, we do things so different in America, they classify miniature schnauzers as mollossers not terriers! Wah! And dachshunds have their own group and are not considered hounds...sigh</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I have always admired the breath taking quality of poodles. Just something about them. Love the title - that really caught my eye - The Devil wears Prada&#8230;er continental clip, LOL. The whole fci thing boggles my mind, I had to deal with this a while back in cyber dogs (an online purebred dog game I help run) and it was crazy, we do things so different in America, they classify miniature schnauzers as mollossers not terriers! Wah! And dachshunds have their own group and are not considered hounds&#8230;sigh</p>
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		<title>By: Kim Thornton</title>
		<link>http://www.petconnection.com/blog/2009/02/09/the-devil-sports-a-continental-clip/comment-page-1/#comment-401752</link>
		<dc:creator>Kim Thornton</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 13 Feb 2009 20:19:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks!</p>
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		<title>By: Ark Lady</title>
		<link>http://www.petconnection.com/blog/2009/02/09/the-devil-sports-a-continental-clip/comment-page-1/#comment-401686</link>
		<dc:creator>Ark Lady</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 13 Feb 2009 17:03:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hey Kim, I got the answer for you--just click the link on my name--even got a comment from Ernesto about the excusal.

The rules are outlined and the handlers knew who the judge would be...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hey Kim, I got the answer for you&#8212;just click the link on my name&#8212;even got a comment from Ernesto about the excusal.</p>
<p>The rules are outlined and the handlers knew who the judge would be&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Anne T</title>
		<link>http://www.petconnection.com/blog/2009/02/09/the-devil-sports-a-continental-clip/comment-page-1/#comment-400848</link>
		<dc:creator>Anne T</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 11 Feb 2009 12:01:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>By varieties, I should have been clearer. I meant coat types and color differences as in cockers, daschies, bull terriers etc. I don&#039;t think these distinctions are worthy of their own classes. 
   Size is another issue. A toy poodle is a separate breed from a standard and should be judged as such, same with xolos or any other breed that comes in distinct sizes that are not interbred. 
    Anyway, once the changes are implemented, my breed will be moving to a new Group, one that is reflective of the FCI designation. This should prove interesting!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>By varieties, I should have been clearer. I meant coat types and color differences as in cockers, daschies, bull terriers etc. I don&#8217;t think these distinctions are worthy of their own classes.<br />
   Size is another issue. A toy poodle is a separate breed from a standard and should be judged as such, same with xolos or any other breed that comes in distinct sizes that are not interbred.<br />
    Anyway, once the changes are implemented, my breed will be moving to a new Group, one that is reflective of the FCI designation. This should prove interesting!</p>
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		<title>By: stellaluna</title>
		<link>http://www.petconnection.com/blog/2009/02/09/the-devil-sports-a-continental-clip/comment-page-1/#comment-400750</link>
		<dc:creator>stellaluna</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 11 Feb 2009 01:47:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Here&#039;s a visual:
http://www.xoloworld.com/images/xolo3sizes.gif
All on the table/ramp or all on the ground -- either way, it&#039;s going to be interesting.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Here&#8217;s a visual:<br />
<a href="http://www.xoloworld.com/images/xolo3sizes.gif" rel="nofollow">http://www.xoloworld.com/images/xolo3sizes.gif</a><br />
All on the table/ramp or all on the ground &#8212; either way, it&#8217;s going to be interesting.</p>
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		<title>By: stellaluna</title>
		<link>http://www.petconnection.com/blog/2009/02/09/the-devil-sports-a-continental-clip/comment-page-1/#comment-400749</link>
		<dc:creator>stellaluna</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 11 Feb 2009 01:43:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;I wish the AKC would dump the whole business of varieties! Why should these breeds get multiple chances in the Group ring when the vast majority of breeds only get 1?&quot;


I guess you missed the point earlier. That&#039;s exactly what the AKC is doing -- dumping varieties, and it&#039;s a pain in the ass for those of us who have breeds that come in distinctive size varieties.

How many of the vast majority of breeds actually COME in three distinctly separate sizes, such that they may as well be three separate breeds? (In Schnauzers, they actually ARE three separate breeds!)

I don&#039;t understand why the 13&quot; and 15&quot; Beagles are still shown separately, or why there are still color divisions in Cocker Spaniels -- my understanding is that these divisions came about during the time that there were so many representatives of the breeds in the show ring, they had to break them up somehow or the classes would be gigantic.

But if a breed is broken up by something as distinct as sizes (and I don&#039;t mean a couple of inches like the Beagles), it seems logical to put them in the groups they fit in, such as the Poodles -- a toy Poodle can hardly compete with a standard. A toy Xolo is a lot different than a standard Xolo, and imho, it should have gone into the Toy group. (Apparently it&#039;s the same with Eskies, though I don&#039;t really know their breed well.)

Part of the problem is that they want all Xolos to be shown together regardless of size, and the toy/miniature (the difference between Toy and Miniature Xolo being which registry you are referring to) is small enough in size that it has been shown on a table up until now, while the Intermediate and Standard varieties are shown on the ground. (You&#039;ve seen that in Poodles, right?) 

But now that the three varieties will be shown together, they are all supposed to go on the table or a ramp (including the big guys) or all on the ground (including the little guys). It&#039;s a hassle either way -- for the dog, the handler, the show-giving club, and the judge, who is going to have to bend over all those little guys to judge them. (Some judges have already complained about this, and the breed has only been in Miscellaneous since January 1.)

These things are not just arbitrary decisions designed to give different breeds a better chance in the groups, they are genuine concerns for breeds that come in distinctive size varieties. I wish it wasn&#039;t so, but that&#039;s the way it is with the breed I choose to share my life with. All breeds are different, all have their own issues, and it&#039;s not as simple as it may seem on the surface.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;I wish the AKC would dump the whole business of varieties! Why should these breeds get multiple chances in the Group ring when the vast majority of breeds only get 1?&#8221;</p>
<p>I guess you missed the point earlier. That&#8217;s exactly what the AKC is doing &#8212; dumping varieties, and it&#8217;s a pain in the ass for those of us who have breeds that come in distinctive size varieties.</p>
<p>How many of the vast majority of breeds actually COME in three distinctly separate sizes, such that they may as well be three separate breeds? (In Schnauzers, they actually ARE three separate breeds!)</p>
<p>I don&#8217;t understand why the 13&#8221; and 15&#8221; Beagles are still shown separately, or why there are still color divisions in Cocker Spaniels &#8212; my understanding is that these divisions came about during the time that there were so many representatives of the breeds in the show ring, they had to break them up somehow or the classes would be gigantic.</p>
<p>But if a breed is broken up by something as distinct as sizes (and I don&#8217;t mean a couple of inches like the Beagles), it seems logical to put them in the groups they fit in, such as the Poodles &#8212; a toy Poodle can hardly compete with a standard. A toy Xolo is a lot different than a standard Xolo, and imho, it should have gone into the Toy group. (Apparently it&#8217;s the same with Eskies, though I don&#8217;t really know their breed well.)</p>
<p>Part of the problem is that they want all Xolos to be shown together regardless of size, and the toy/miniature (the difference between Toy and Miniature Xolo being which registry you are referring to) is small enough in size that it has been shown on a table up until now, while the Intermediate and Standard varieties are shown on the ground. (You&#8217;ve seen that in Poodles, right?) </p>
<p>But now that the three varieties will be shown together, they are all supposed to go on the table or a ramp (including the big guys) or all on the ground (including the little guys). It&#8217;s a hassle either way &#8212; for the dog, the handler, the show-giving club, and the judge, who is going to have to bend over all those little guys to judge them. (Some judges have already complained about this, and the breed has only been in Miscellaneous since January 1.)</p>
<p>These things are not just arbitrary decisions designed to give different breeds a better chance in the groups, they are genuine concerns for breeds that come in distinctive size varieties. I wish it wasn&#8217;t so, but that&#8217;s the way it is with the breed I choose to share my life with. All breeds are different, all have their own issues, and it&#8217;s not as simple as it may seem on the surface.</p>
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		<title>By: Amy</title>
		<link>http://www.petconnection.com/blog/2009/02/09/the-devil-sports-a-continental-clip/comment-page-1/#comment-400748</link>
		<dc:creator>Amy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 11 Feb 2009 01:37:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Stellaluna, many thanks for the link to the AKC report. It mostly looks pretty logical, though I agree that it&#039;s silly not to have varieties compete when there&#039;s a big size discrepancy between them.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Stellaluna, many thanks for the link to the AKC report. It mostly looks pretty logical, though I agree that it&#8217;s silly not to have varieties compete when there&#8217;s a big size discrepancy between them.</p>
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		<title>By: Kim Thornton</title>
		<link>http://www.petconnection.com/blog/2009/02/09/the-devil-sports-a-continental-clip/comment-page-1/#comment-400746</link>
		<dc:creator>Kim Thornton</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 11 Feb 2009 01:30:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks, Jennifer and Barb, for the scoop on the Peter Greene thing. I&#039;ve never seen dogs dismissed from the ring before, but then with very rare exceptions, Westminster is the only dog show I go to.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks, Jennifer and Barb, for the scoop on the Peter Greene thing. I&#8217;ve never seen dogs dismissed from the ring before, but then with very rare exceptions, Westminster is the only dog show I go to.</p>
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		<title>By: Jenniferj</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jenniferj</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 10 Feb 2009 23:39:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Re:Peter Greeene&#039;s dismissal of the two terriers

Little birdie from NYC tells me that the dogs owners wanted the dogs shown. Not clear if he handler change would have made a difference since the handlers were listed as agents for those particular dogs in the catalog, the dogs might have been out as a conflict because of their published agents.

the thinking is that perhaps they felt Peter would have left them in but not considered them. Didn&#039;t work that way. Frankly good for Peter for sticking to his guns.</description>
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<p>Little birdie from NYC tells me that the dogs owners wanted the dogs shown. Not clear if he handler change would have made a difference since the handlers were listed as agents for those particular dogs in the catalog, the dogs might have been out as a conflict because of their published agents.</p>
<p>the thinking is that perhaps they felt Peter would have left them in but not considered them. Didn&#8217;t work that way. Frankly good for Peter for sticking to his guns.</p>
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		<title>By: Anne T</title>
		<link>http://www.petconnection.com/blog/2009/02/09/the-devil-sports-a-continental-clip/comment-page-1/#comment-400703</link>
		<dc:creator>Anne T</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 10 Feb 2009 21:04:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I wish the AKC would dump the whole business of varieties! Why should these breeds get multiple chances in the Group ring when the vast majority of breeds only get 1?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I wish the AKC would dump the whole business of varieties! Why should these breeds get multiple chances in the Group ring when the vast majority of breeds only get 1?</p>
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