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		<title>By: Eliblu</title>
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		<dc:creator>Eliblu</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 10 Feb 2009 13:24:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Lurchers in the U.S.-We have a greyhound blue heeler mix that we rescued from a shelter here in Texas.  She is beautiful, very sweet, and looks like a greyhound with blue heeler markings.  What little information I&#039;ve been able to find online suggests that she may have been bred to hunt coyotes.  Apparently people in our area, usually farmers, breed greyhounds to herding dogs just for this purpose.  

When she was found as a stray, she had recently had a litter of puppies, still had milk.  I really wish there was some way to find out more about her history.

She was also adopted once and brought back to the shelter for being dangerous with cats, but we worked a lot with her in the beginning and she&#039;s fine with our cat now.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Lurchers in the U.S.-We have a greyhound blue heeler mix that we rescued from a shelter here in Texas.  She is beautiful, very sweet, and looks like a greyhound with blue heeler markings.  What little information I&#8217;ve been able to find online suggests that she may have been bred to hunt coyotes.  Apparently people in our area, usually farmers, breed greyhounds to herding dogs just for this purpose.  </p>
<p>When she was found as a stray, she had recently had a litter of puppies, still had milk.  I really wish there was some way to find out more about her history.</p>
<p>She was also adopted once and brought back to the shelter for being dangerous with cats, but we worked a lot with her in the beginning and she&#8217;s fine with our cat now.</p>
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		<title>By: Barb</title>
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		<dc:creator>Barb</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 10 Feb 2009 10:06:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Woot, Woot!  How awesome that the winner of the Hound group has an awesome performance ancestry!  We&#039;ll be rooting for him.  Unless the Dane wins the Working Group.  Even then, unless the winning Dane has a performance background - not totally out of the question although unlikely - we may switch sides.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Woot, Woot!  How awesome that the winner of the Hound group has an awesome performance ancestry!  We&#8217;ll be rooting for him.  Unless the Dane wins the Working Group.  Even then, unless the winning Dane has a performance background - not totally out of the question although unlikely - we may switch sides.</p>
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		<title>By: Dan Gauss</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dan Gauss</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 10 Feb 2009 05:28:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;Does anyone breed real lurchers in the US?&quot;..
 
oh yes, and longdogs, too.  Our new friend/aquaintance, Zac, a falconer (without a falcon) who just moved to Las Cruces, has a New York bred lurcher that looks exactly like a whippet with a bit of a bushy tail... but she has zero whippet behind her.  Weird.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Does anyone breed real lurchers in the US?&#8221;..</p>
<p>oh yes, and longdogs, too.  Our new friend/aquaintance, Zac, a falconer (without a falcon) who just moved to Las Cruces, has a New York bred lurcher that looks exactly like a whippet with a bit of a bushy tail&#8230; but she has zero whippet behind her.  Weird.</p>
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		<title>By: Susan Fox</title>
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		<dc:creator>Susan Fox</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 10 Feb 2009 05:02:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Interesting, Christie. In England, the lurcher is a perfectly well-understood, deliberate cross. But they are created for a purpose, hunting. We also saw lots of them at a country fair at Ullswater in the Lake District in 1989. 

That event was also the first time I ever saw a border collie sheep herding trial. Those dogs were something else. All business. I remember one who was (barely) patiently waiting to get out there and you could almost here him critiquing the dog he was watching (who blew it).

I mispoke earlier. Emily was a whippet/deerhound cross, hence her small size. 

I really liked the lurchers but recall being informed that they weren&#039;t the best choice for a household with small animals like cats.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Interesting, Christie. In England, the lurcher is a perfectly well-understood, deliberate cross. But they are created for a purpose, hunting. We also saw lots of them at a country fair at Ullswater in the Lake District in 1989. </p>
<p>That event was also the first time I ever saw a border collie sheep herding trial. Those dogs were something else. All business. I remember one who was (barely) patiently waiting to get out there and you could almost here him critiquing the dog he was watching (who blew it).</p>
<p>I mispoke earlier. Emily was a whippet/deerhound cross, hence her small size. </p>
<p>I really liked the lurchers but recall being informed that they weren&#8217;t the best choice for a household with small animals like cats.</p>
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		<title>By: retrieverman</title>
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		<dc:creator>retrieverman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 10 Feb 2009 04:49:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yeah, you can&#039;t use them on Scottish red deer.

I wonder if breeding them to work smaller game has some effect on developing a different sort of sighthound type from the working landrace sighthounds I mentioned earlier?

I left out a type of sight hound that could have deerhound in it. It&#039;s the longdog, which is a mix of sighthounds.

When hunting deer with hounds was legal in Britain, they preferred to use specially bred scenthounds for that purpose-- generally dogs of the foxhound type. I don&#039;t know whether anyone used lurchers or other working landrace sighthounds on deer in the decades just before the hunting (British English for using dogs to kill prey) ban.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yeah, you can&#8217;t use them on Scottish red deer.</p>
<p>I wonder if breeding them to work smaller game has some effect on developing a different sort of sighthound type from the working landrace sighthounds I mentioned earlier?</p>
<p>I left out a type of sight hound that could have deerhound in it. It&#8217;s the longdog, which is a mix of sighthounds.</p>
<p>When hunting deer with hounds was legal in Britain, they preferred to use specially bred scenthounds for that purpose&#8212; generally dogs of the foxhound type. I don&#8217;t know whether anyone used lurchers or other working landrace sighthounds on deer in the decades just before the hunting (British English for using dogs to kill prey) ban.</p>
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		<title>By: Christie Keith</title>
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		<dc:creator>Christie Keith</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 10 Feb 2009 04:43:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Retrieverman, I never said these dogs don&#039;t have a purpose. I said they can&#039;t be tested on their ancestral quarry. And they can&#039;t be, except under very unusual and often illegal circumstances.

I live in California, where deerhounds are brought into the open field to hunt jackrabbits. Our breed has sent a bitch twice to the Westminster Group ring who was pointed in NOFCA, and who I&#039;d seen take a jackrabbit.

But if you don&#039;t live in the West or mountain states, it&#039;s virtually impossible to test your dog in the open field. I applaud deerhound and other sighthound people who find venues to challenge their hounds anyway -- Rory lived in New Jersey. One of his sisters, Wyvis, was a brilliant open field hound here in California. That was an incredible coursing litter -- not that surprising, because their dam, Sophie, was a great courser, too.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Retrieverman, I never said these dogs don&#8217;t have a purpose. I said they can&#8217;t be tested on their ancestral quarry. And they can&#8217;t be, except under very unusual and often illegal circumstances.</p>
<p>I live in California, where deerhounds are brought into the open field to hunt jackrabbits. Our breed has sent a bitch twice to the Westminster Group ring who was pointed in NOFCA, and who I&#8217;d seen take a jackrabbit.</p>
<p>But if you don&#8217;t live in the West or mountain states, it&#8217;s virtually impossible to test your dog in the open field. I applaud deerhound and other sighthound people who find venues to challenge their hounds anyway &#8212; Rory lived in New Jersey. One of his sisters, Wyvis, was a brilliant open field hound here in California. That was an incredible coursing litter &#8212; not that surprising, because their dam, Sophie, was a great courser, too.</p>
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		<title>By: Christie Keith</title>
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		<dc:creator>Christie Keith</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 10 Feb 2009 04:38:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>There are lurchers and longdogs being bred in the US... in fact, there are many, many sighthound mixes used in various forms of hunting, mostly in the Western and mountain states.

I spent some time with a charming, adorable puppy who was a Deerhound/Borzoi/Greyhound mix who came into rescue from someone breeding for hunting. If she hadn&#039;t already been adopted, and I were able to have another dog, I&#039;d have snapped her up in a hot second.

In the imaginary world in my head, the schism between working and &quot;other&quot; sighthounds would cease to exist and we&#039;d all breed the dogs we love for function and companionship and health.

In the real world, most &quot;show&quot; breeders want nothing to do with hunting breeders, despise them for creating mixes, and -- often with justification -- deplore the way they treat their dogs. I&#039;ve seen far worse hunting sighthound rescue situations than I&#039;ve ever seen in a show breeder, BUT... part of that is probably because we&#039;ve let the worlds diverge so far.

It&#039;s kind of like East Germany and West Germany. It would be very hard to reunify the sundered world of sighthounds. But I&#039;d like to see it happen.

I don&#039;t believe it will, however.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There are lurchers and longdogs being bred in the US&#8230; in fact, there are many, many sighthound mixes used in various forms of hunting, mostly in the Western and mountain states.</p>
<p>I spent some time with a charming, adorable puppy who was a Deerhound/Borzoi/Greyhound mix who came into rescue from someone breeding for hunting. If she hadn&#8217;t already been adopted, and I were able to have another dog, I&#8217;d have snapped her up in a hot second.</p>
<p>In the imaginary world in my head, the schism between working and &#8220;other&#8221; sighthounds would cease to exist and we&#8217;d all breed the dogs we love for function and companionship and health.</p>
<p>In the real world, most &#8220;show&#8221; breeders want nothing to do with hunting breeders, despise them for creating mixes, and &#8212; often with justification &#8212; deplore the way they treat their dogs. I&#8217;ve seen far worse hunting sighthound rescue situations than I&#8217;ve ever seen in a show breeder, BUT&#8230; part of that is probably because we&#8217;ve let the worlds diverge so far.</p>
<p>It&#8217;s kind of like East Germany and West Germany. It would be very hard to reunify the sundered world of sighthounds. But I&#8217;d like to see it happen.</p>
<p>I don&#8217;t believe it will, however.</p>
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		<title>By: Anne T</title>
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		<dc:creator>Anne T</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 10 Feb 2009 04:24:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I watched the breed video earlier today, and thought this dog was stunning. Delighted to know he&#039;s a son of the #1 racing deerhound in LGRA, NOTRA and ASFA/AKC. Not every hound likes to compete in all 3 venues, and not all 3 are easily available to participate in without a lot of travel and commitment.
    I just might have to go and prevail upon a friend with cable tomorrow night to watch the BIS judging.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I watched the breed video earlier today, and thought this dog was stunning. Delighted to know he&#8217;s a son of the #1 racing deerhound in LGRA, NOTRA and ASFA/AKC. Not every hound likes to compete in all 3 venues, and not all 3 are easily available to participate in without a lot of travel and commitment.<br />
    I just might have to go and prevail upon a friend with cable tomorrow night to watch the BIS judging.</p>
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		<title>By: Susan Fox</title>
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		<dc:creator>Susan Fox</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 10 Feb 2009 04:20:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Does anyone breed real lurchers in the US? We&#039;ve stayed many times at a B&amp;B in the New Forest in England where lived (until a few years ago) a small blond lurcher named Emily. She was greyhound/deerhound cross. A very interesting dog who chose her friends. My husband and I were among the fortunate.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Does anyone breed real lurchers in the US? We&#8217;ve stayed many times at a B&amp;B in the New Forest in England where lived (until a few years ago) a small blond lurcher named Emily. She was greyhound/deerhound cross. A very interesting dog who chose her friends. My husband and I were among the fortunate.</p>
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		<title>By: retrieverman</title>
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		<dc:creator>retrieverman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 10 Feb 2009 04:01:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>These dogs do have a purpose.

They are used as coursing hounds for foxes, hares/jackrabbits, coyotes, and even Kangaroos. However, the working forms of these dogs are still interbred with other sighthounds and other breeds and exist in the staghound, lurcher, and Kangaroo dog lines.

The Red Deer of Europe is related to the wapiti, but it is quite a bit smaller. I&#039;ve seen old paintings by George Stubbs of hounds swarming stags in a painting called &#039;The Grosvenor Hunt.&#039;  William Pierce Stubbs painting a sighthound catching one of these animals.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>These dogs do have a purpose.</p>
<p>They are used as coursing hounds for foxes, hares/jackrabbits, coyotes, and even Kangaroos. However, the working forms of these dogs are still interbred with other sighthounds and other breeds and exist in the staghound, lurcher, and Kangaroo dog lines.</p>
<p>The Red Deer of Europe is related to the wapiti, but it is quite a bit smaller. I&#8217;ve seen old paintings by George Stubbs of hounds swarming stags in a painting called &#8216;The Grosvenor Hunt.&#8217;  William Pierce Stubbs painting a sighthound catching one of these animals.</p>
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