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	<title>Comments on: Report: Veterinarians &#8216;spooked&#8217; by drop in revenue</title>
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		<title>By: keepthebooks</title>
		<link>http://www.petconnection.com/blog/2008/12/26/report-veterinarians-spooked-by-drop-in-revenue/comment-page-1/#comment-394937</link>
		<dc:creator>keepthebooks</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 20 Jan 2009 18:55:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m reading a lot of posts that sound critical of veterinary costs.  In my work with tax prep I get to see what different professions tend to pay and vet&#039;s tend to average below most.  The average vet would make more money as a nurse, a plumber, a mechanic, or (until recently) a car salesman.  And keep in mind that vet&#039;s typically have to complete 8 years of college.  For a little more perspective, after a recent toxin exposure both I and my cat had to get bloodwork done.  We each had blood chemistries and complete blood counts checking the exact same things (I got copies of both).  My vet charged less than $100.  My doctor billed the insurance company over $900 for the labwork alone.  For the very same test. Vet care is a bargain.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m reading a lot of posts that sound critical of veterinary costs.  In my work with tax prep I get to see what different professions tend to pay and vet&#8217;s tend to average below most.  The average vet would make more money as a nurse, a plumber, a mechanic, or (until recently) a car salesman.  And keep in mind that vet&#8217;s typically have to complete 8 years of college.  For a little more perspective, after a recent toxin exposure both I and my cat had to get bloodwork done.  We each had blood chemistries and complete blood counts checking the exact same things (I got copies of both).  My vet charged less than $100.  My doctor billed the insurance company over $900 for the labwork alone.  For the very same test. Vet care is a bargain.</p>
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		<title>By: Longlostpets</title>
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		<dc:creator>Longlostpets</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 30 Dec 2008 14:27:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Gina, do whatever it takes to get a good patient advocate and hospice involved, lie steal cheat, whatever it takes, it is that important.

As for the denial-been there, dealt with that.
Here is your script.
&quot; It is agony for me, to fear that I am not doing my best for Dad, I simply cannot bear the pain of not doing my best, it would destroy me. I have seen how helpful this can be for other families, I want that help for Dad and all of us, it makes me feel better.
This is me, doing my best, deal with it.&quot;
Then hug and kiss whichever family member is giving you grief, thank them for being so understanding and supportive and assign them a chore that is directly to do with the either the hospice or the patient advocate. &quot;I knew I could count on you, it means so much to me!&quot;
Repeat kisses and hugs.

This does several things, it makes the argument about _your_ feelings, thus ending the focus on denial, assumes and rewards the support of the person before they know what is happening and gets them working, not whining.


Get a bag with lots of pockets and a notebook to fit in it. Tape a big manila envelope to the back inside cover. Every single Doctors name, nurses name, appointment, test, every phone number, goes in that notebook, every sheet of paper you get handed goes in the envelope. Write it down. Empty envelope and file as needed. 
On the back pages of the notebook, keep a list of chores to be done, appointments to be made, laundry to be done, whatever is eating up your time and assign those chores to the next person who asks what they can do. Assign lots of chores to those who annoy you, keep them busy. Your Dad might require rare items that can only be obtained in some nasty hole in the wall shop in Podunk, he might require them often. As often as they annoy you would be my choice. You get the drift.

Then tuck goodies into the bag for the long hours of waiting room time, a book and reading light, decent candy and nuts, hand lotion, aspirin, emery board. Think of what you would want if you were in a besieged castle, pack accordingly. 

You are in for a rough time, be good to yourself.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Gina, do whatever it takes to get a good patient advocate and hospice involved, lie steal cheat, whatever it takes, it is that important.</p>
<p>As for the denial-been there, dealt with that.<br />
Here is your script.<br />
&#8221; It is agony for me, to fear that I am not doing my best for Dad, I simply cannot bear the pain of not doing my best, it would destroy me. I have seen how helpful this can be for other families, I want that help for Dad and all of us, it makes me feel better.<br />
This is me, doing my best, deal with it.&#8221;<br />
Then hug and kiss whichever family member is giving you grief, thank them for being so understanding and supportive and assign them a chore that is directly to do with the either the hospice or the patient advocate. &#8220;I knew I could count on you, it means so much to me!&#8221;<br />
Repeat kisses and hugs.</p>
<p>This does several things, it makes the argument about _your_ feelings, thus ending the focus on denial, assumes and rewards the support of the person before they know what is happening and gets them working, not whining.</p>
<p>Get a bag with lots of pockets and a notebook to fit in it. Tape a big manila envelope to the back inside cover. Every single Doctors name, nurses name, appointment, test, every phone number, goes in that notebook, every sheet of paper you get handed goes in the envelope. Write it down. Empty envelope and file as needed.<br />
On the back pages of the notebook, keep a list of chores to be done, appointments to be made, laundry to be done, whatever is eating up your time and assign those chores to the next person who asks what they can do. Assign lots of chores to those who annoy you, keep them busy. Your Dad might require rare items that can only be obtained in some nasty hole in the wall shop in Podunk, he might require them often. As often as they annoy you would be my choice. You get the drift.</p>
<p>Then tuck goodies into the bag for the long hours of waiting room time, a book and reading light, decent candy and nuts, hand lotion, aspirin, emery board. Think of what you would want if you were in a besieged castle, pack accordingly. </p>
<p>You are in for a rough time, be good to yourself.</p>
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		<title>By: Barbara A. Albright</title>
		<link>http://www.petconnection.com/blog/2008/12/26/report-veterinarians-spooked-by-drop-in-revenue/comment-page-1/#comment-388606</link>
		<dc:creator>Barbara A. Albright</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 30 Dec 2008 04:49:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Gina, I think every family goes through this and mine was no different. Everyone comes to acceptance at different rates and ways, creating hard feelings. My best advice is to carefully choose your words, have lots of &#039;patience&#039; and pray that everyone gets up to speed and joins together again.

It is rough and I have no wisdom for shortcuts.
Many prayers, Barbara</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Gina, I think every family goes through this and mine was no different. Everyone comes to acceptance at different rates and ways, creating hard feelings. My best advice is to carefully choose your words, have lots of &#8216;patience&#8217; and pray that everyone gets up to speed and joins together again.</p>
<p>It is rough and I have no wisdom for shortcuts.<br />
Many prayers, Barbara</p>
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		<title>By: Gina Spadafori</title>
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		<dc:creator>Gina Spadafori</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 29 Dec 2008 17:20:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks, Lori. Friends and family really matter when the going gets tough, don&#039;t they?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks, Lori. Friends and family really matter when the going gets tough, don&#8217;t they?</p>
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		<title>By: Lori</title>
		<link>http://www.petconnection.com/blog/2008/12/26/report-veterinarians-spooked-by-drop-in-revenue/comment-page-1/#comment-388515</link>
		<dc:creator>Lori</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 29 Dec 2008 16:51:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Right now I&#039;m feeling very thankful for two things:

My wonderful vet, Dr. Debbie

And the fact that my Dad didn&#039;t have to suffer through a long illness while battling through red-tape to get proper care. 

I suppose it sounds silly and empty, but if there is anything any of us can do to help, Gina, I&#039;m sure all of us would jump at the chance.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Right now I&#8217;m feeling very thankful for two things:</p>
<p>My wonderful vet, Dr. Debbie</p>
<p>And the fact that my Dad didn&#8217;t have to suffer through a long illness while battling through red-tape to get proper care. </p>
<p>I suppose it sounds silly and empty, but if there is anything any of us can do to help, Gina, I&#8217;m sure all of us would jump at the chance.</p>
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		<title>By: Gina Spadafori</title>
		<link>http://www.petconnection.com/blog/2008/12/26/report-veterinarians-spooked-by-drop-in-revenue/comment-page-1/#comment-388321</link>
		<dc:creator>Gina Spadafori</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 28 Dec 2008 19:06:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I don&#039;t think it&#039;s just the veterinary profession who is now coming to realize that the euphoria-driven economy wasn&#039;t not going to continue. :)

Longlost ... THANK YOU for suggesting patient advocate. Without getting too deep into all the backstory, there&#039;s a denial going on with some family members, and I&#039;m trying to deal with it. Not easy.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I don&#8217;t think it&#8217;s just the veterinary profession who is now coming to realize that the euphoria-driven economy wasn&#8217;t not going to continue. :)</p>
<p>Longlost &#8230; THANK YOU for suggesting patient advocate. Without getting too deep into all the backstory, there&#8217;s a denial going on with some family members, and I&#8217;m trying to deal with it. Not easy.</p>
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		<title>By: Barbara A. Albright</title>
		<link>http://www.petconnection.com/blog/2008/12/26/report-veterinarians-spooked-by-drop-in-revenue/comment-page-1/#comment-388316</link>
		<dc:creator>Barbara A. Albright</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 28 Dec 2008 18:38:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Longlostpets, Amen--you brought up an important point. I, too, suspect joining the petless in years to come, although will advocate for decades more (God willing). 

Once considered reasonably affordable, pet care somehow &quot;jumped on the bandwagon&quot; of hysterically rapid inflation that we felt with human medicine and education.

It either has to somewhat reverse or slow way down, to prevent pets from becoming a &quot;luxury item&quot;.

Gina, your title of &quot;spooked&quot; is appropriate and not lost for meaning. Perhaps the profession is now coming to realize that the euphoria driven economy was not going to continue, just as it has many times in recent past, although this one is a &quot;biggie&quot;.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Longlostpets, Amen&#8212;you brought up an important point. I, too, suspect joining the petless in years to come, although will advocate for decades more (God willing). </p>
<p>Once considered reasonably affordable, pet care somehow &#8220;jumped on the bandwagon&#8221; of hysterically rapid inflation that we felt with human medicine and education.</p>
<p>It either has to somewhat reverse or slow way down, to prevent pets from becoming a &#8220;luxury item&#8221;.</p>
<p>Gina, your title of &#8220;spooked&#8221; is appropriate and not lost for meaning. Perhaps the profession is now coming to realize that the euphoria driven economy was not going to continue, just as it has many times in recent past, although this one is a &#8220;biggie&#8221;.</p>
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		<title>By: Longlostpets</title>
		<link>http://www.petconnection.com/blog/2008/12/26/report-veterinarians-spooked-by-drop-in-revenue/comment-page-1/#comment-388304</link>
		<dc:creator>Longlostpets</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 28 Dec 2008 17:52:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I am sorry to hear about the illness of your father and hope that your experience with hospice care becomes the comfort I know it can be. Please call a patient advocate at any hospice and ask for help. A fearless and experienced patient advocate is a warrior to behold, in some cases, the mere name of the advocate can bring an HMO to humble and total submission.

For my part, the ordeal of the last two years has altered my view of veterinary care and the expense. Many people, including those that had no animals sicken or die from melamine, have decided that they can no longer afford to have pets. Of those who still have pets suffering and dying from the effects of the melamine disaster, it is heartbreaking how many are on &quot;the last cat&quot;. And on the last dollar they can afford to spend on pet care for many years to come. There will be no pets at all in many homes of former pet parents. Many will have far fewer pets. A significant proportion of the pet owning population has been wrung dry.


The friend who chose death over bankrupting his family with medical care, made a similar painful choice. That is the state of human, and animal, medical care in the USA at this time.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I am sorry to hear about the illness of your father and hope that your experience with hospice care becomes the comfort I know it can be. Please call a patient advocate at any hospice and ask for help. A fearless and experienced patient advocate is a warrior to behold, in some cases, the mere name of the advocate can bring an HMO to humble and total submission.</p>
<p>For my part, the ordeal of the last two years has altered my view of veterinary care and the expense. Many people, including those that had no animals sicken or die from melamine, have decided that they can no longer afford to have pets. Of those who still have pets suffering and dying from the effects of the melamine disaster, it is heartbreaking how many are on &#8220;the last cat&#8221;. And on the last dollar they can afford to spend on pet care for many years to come. There will be no pets at all in many homes of former pet parents. Many will have far fewer pets. A significant proportion of the pet owning population has been wrung dry.</p>
<p>The friend who chose death over bankrupting his family with medical care, made a similar painful choice. That is the state of human, and animal, medical care in the USA at this time.</p>
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		<title>By: Barbara A. Albright</title>
		<link>http://www.petconnection.com/blog/2008/12/26/report-veterinarians-spooked-by-drop-in-revenue/comment-page-1/#comment-388194</link>
		<dc:creator>Barbara A. Albright</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 28 Dec 2008 05:41:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Gina, I am terribly sorry to read of your parent. I have been there, however, medicare saw to all the needs of my terminally ill Mom. I was awestruck through the experience, because I had read or heard so many nightmare experiences. Keep advocating for the needs.

There are &quot;pockets&quot; of the country where veterinary care is sadly lacking with morality &amp; ethics. Some folks &amp; pets are extremely lucky and others aren&#039;t. And it sounds like human care has its areas &amp; health plans lacking too. I hope things turn around for you and your family member.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Gina, I am terribly sorry to read of your parent. I have been there, however, medicare saw to all the needs of my terminally ill Mom. I was awestruck through the experience, because I had read or heard so many nightmare experiences. Keep advocating for the needs.</p>
<p>There are &#8220;pockets&#8221; of the country where veterinary care is sadly lacking with morality &amp; ethics. Some folks &amp; pets are extremely lucky and others aren&#8217;t. And it sounds like human care has its areas &amp; health plans lacking too. I hope things turn around for you and your family member.</p>
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		<title>By: bestuvall</title>
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		<dc:creator>bestuvall</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 27 Dec 2008 20:36:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I have mutiple dogs..  the last &quot;trip&quot; to the ER specialty clninc south of Santa Rosa cost me $6400.. that&#039;s right.. SIX THOUSAND four hundred dollars for four days.. and the puppy is fine..  that was for what turned out to be a simple surgery.. four days.. SIX THOUSAND dollars...plus.. is it any wonder why people don;t go...My friends dog needed some special care two days before Xmas in SF.. the ER clinic wanted him to sign his card over for a minimum of $2500 to even SEE the dog.. BEFORE any treatment.. he went to the SPCA.. surgery was indicated.. dog was there three days.. ( excellent care by the way).. total cost.. just under $2500.. including meds..I did think it was funny tho.. the dog is almost 11.. they asked him if he wanted to bring him back when he is better for neutering.. He gracefully declined..</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I have mutiple dogs..  the last &#8220;trip&#8221; to the ER specialty clninc south of Santa Rosa cost me $6400.. that&#8217;s right.. SIX THOUSAND four hundred dollars for four days.. and the puppy is fine..  that was for what turned out to be a simple surgery.. four days.. SIX THOUSAND dollars&#8230;plus.. is it any wonder why people don;t go&#8230;My friends dog needed some special care two days before Xmas in SF.. the ER clinic wanted him to sign his card over for a minimum of $2500 to even SEE the dog.. BEFORE any treatment.. he went to the SPCA.. surgery was indicated.. dog was there three days.. ( excellent care by the way).. total cost.. just under $2500.. including meds..I did think it was funny tho.. the dog is almost 11.. they asked him if he wanted to bring him back when he is better for neutering.. He gracefully declined..</p>
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