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	<title>Comments on: Buyers and &#8216;rescuers&#8217; of puppy-mill pets keep cruelty flowing</title>
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		<title>By: Gina Spadafori</title>
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		<dc:creator>Gina Spadafori</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 07 Dec 2008 20:22:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Kelly, I was with you up until the last line. 

I do not accept any premise that equates pets with children. They are different in how we relate to them (or they sure as hell should be), how they are treated under the law and so on. 

When you equate pets with children you are setting up a framework that does not serve either well.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Kelly, I was with you up until the last line. </p>
<p>I do not accept any premise that equates pets with children. They are different in how we relate to them (or they sure as hell should be), how they are treated under the law and so on. </p>
<p>When you equate pets with children you are setting up a framework that does not serve either well.</p>
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		<title>By: Kelly Wright</title>
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		<dc:creator>Kelly Wright</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 07 Dec 2008 20:11:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I also think that buyers support the cruelty of puppy mills. Selling animals via Internet admittedly is one of the main sources of income for dishonest breeders. People don&#039;t adopt children online, so why is it possible in case with pets?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I also think that buyers support the cruelty of puppy mills. Selling animals via Internet admittedly is one of the main sources of income for dishonest breeders. People don&#8217;t adopt children online, so why is it possible in case with pets?</p>
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		<title>By: Jill</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jill</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 01 Dec 2008 03:40:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I got an email from someone I know from time spent as members of the Board of Directors for the local shelter. 

She wants a puppy for Christmas, has located a website for somone in Kansas selling doodles of one kind or another, for $1700 apiece. What did I think about that? she wanted to know.

She got this URL, plus Raised by Wolves and Smartdogs. 

Oy.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I got an email from someone I know from time spent as members of the Board of Directors for the local shelter. </p>
<p>She wants a puppy for Christmas, has located a website for somone in Kansas selling doodles of one kind or another, for $1700 apiece. What did I think about that? she wanted to know.</p>
<p>She got this URL, plus Raised by Wolves and Smartdogs. </p>
<p>Oy.</p>
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		<title>By: Susan Fox</title>
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		<dc:creator>Susan Fox</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 24 Nov 2008 16:38:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Okay...that&#039;s more what I was thinking of, 2CatMom. Thanks!

I&#039;m still willing to consider the previous offer, though, if someone comes up with something really good.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Okay&#8230;that&#8217;s more what I was thinking of, 2CatMom. Thanks!</p>
<p>I&#8217;m still willing to consider the previous offer, though, if someone comes up with something really good.</p>
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		<title>By: 2CatMom</title>
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		<dc:creator>2CatMom</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 24 Nov 2008 15:22:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Here&#039;s a great site for anti-puppy mill stuff (and just about any other issue you interested in):

http://shop.cafepress.com/puppy-mills

They have T-shirts, caps and yes, bumper stickers.

And don&#039;t forget to check out the Obama Christmas cards (since you took down BarkObama, where else can I share this, LOL??):

http://shop.cafepress.com/obama-christmas</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Here&#8217;s a great site for anti-puppy mill stuff (and just about any other issue you interested in):</p>
<p><a href="http://shop.cafepress.com/puppy-mills" rel="nofollow">http://shop.cafepress.com/puppy-mills</a></p>
<p>They have T-shirts, caps and yes, bumper stickers.</p>
<p>And don&#8217;t forget to check out the Obama Christmas cards (since you took down BarkObama, where else can I share this, LOL??):</p>
<p><a href="http://shop.cafepress.com/obama-christmas" rel="nofollow">http://shop.cafepress.com/obama-christmas</a></p>
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		<title>By: Gina Spadafori</title>
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		<dc:creator>Gina Spadafori</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 24 Nov 2008 14:17:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Anyone else remember that Sears once sold puppy-mill dogs in its catalog? I used to drool over that page and imagine pooling the allowance/baby-sitting/odd jobs around the neighborhood money to buy the puppy, and, oh, wasn&#039;t THAT was a good plan?

They had a small, square, black-and-white picture of a representative example of the breed, a description of what the breed was like and then the price. I remember wanting a beagle, because of Snoopy. (I had a &quot;Curse You, Red Baron! felt pennant over my bed, and loved everything Snoopy.)  I think a beagle was $125. 

On a more serious note, I believe Life magazine ran the first major puppy-mill expose, in the early &#039;60s.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Anyone else remember that Sears once sold puppy-mill dogs in its catalog? I used to drool over that page and imagine pooling the allowance/baby-sitting/odd jobs around the neighborhood money to buy the puppy, and, oh, wasn&#8217;t THAT was a good plan?</p>
<p>They had a small, square, black-and-white picture of a representative example of the breed, a description of what the breed was like and then the price. I remember wanting a beagle, because of Snoopy. (I had a &#8220;Curse You, Red Baron! felt pennant over my bed, and loved everything Snoopy.)  I think a beagle was $125. </p>
<p>On a more serious note, I believe Life magazine ran the first major puppy-mill expose, in the early &#8217;60s.</p>
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		<title>By: Caveat</title>
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		<dc:creator>Caveat</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 24 Nov 2008 13:58:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The other problem is USDA auctions. Some breed clubs (which I won&#039;t name) would attend these auctions to buy &#039;their&#039; breed in order to &#039;rescue&#039; them.  Unfortunately, that practice just perpetuates the problem as well.

When I was a kid, you&#039;d see puppies in the pet shop window from time to time.  These were mixed-breed pups, usually from around the corner because an owner messed up.  They usually cost $10 or $10, it was a public service in a way because in those days dogs/puppies got 3 days to be adopted and then it was curtains.

In the late 60s, purebred pups started showing up in pet shops, one of each kind.  &quot;Hmmm&quot;, I thought, &quot;What is going on here?&quot;  Were these pups not up to snuff so they couldn&#039;t be kept with the family?

It&#039;s quite astounding that after 25+ years of telling people not to buy pet store puppies because they come from mills, they are still for sale and people are still buying them - and paying more than they would for a pup from a legitimate breeder, not to mention much more than they would for a dog from the SPCA.  People are still buying puppies over the internet sight unseen and having the little tykes shipped by air or delivered at a meeting point by truck, like cabbages.

Many &#039;rescue&#039; groups are also buying milled pups and then selling them to soft-hearted people who think they are helping out abandoned dogs.

The whole thing stinks and it always has.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The other problem is USDA auctions. Some breed clubs (which I won&#8217;t name) would attend these auctions to buy &#8216;their&#8217; breed in order to &#8216;rescue&#8217; them.  Unfortunately, that practice just perpetuates the problem as well.</p>
<p>When I was a kid, you&#8217;d see puppies in the pet shop window from time to time.  These were mixed-breed pups, usually from around the corner because an owner messed up.  They usually cost $10 or $10, it was a public service in a way because in those days dogs/puppies got 3 days to be adopted and then it was curtains.</p>
<p>In the late 60s, purebred pups started showing up in pet shops, one of each kind.  &#8220;Hmmm&#8221;, I thought, &#8220;What is going on here?&#8221;  Were these pups not up to snuff so they couldn&#8217;t be kept with the family?</p>
<p>It&#8217;s quite astounding that after 25+ years of telling people not to buy pet store puppies because they come from mills, they are still for sale and people are still buying them - and paying more than they would for a pup from a legitimate breeder, not to mention much more than they would for a dog from the SPCA.  People are still buying puppies over the internet sight unseen and having the little tykes shipped by air or delivered at a meeting point by truck, like cabbages.</p>
<p>Many &#8216;rescue&#8217; groups are also buying milled pups and then selling them to soft-hearted people who think they are helping out abandoned dogs.</p>
<p>The whole thing stinks and it always has.</p>
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		<title>By: Dorene</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dorene</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 24 Nov 2008 03:26:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;ve got a &quot;No Puppy Mills&quot; and a Rescue ribbon on my truck&#039;s tailgate, both that support PA rescues, but I&#039;d buy something snappy from Susan in a minute.

This puppy mill thing just never ends -- I run a e-list for our dog park and just had someone who wanted to &quot;surprise her husband&quot; with a Golden puppy and couldn&#039;t we help her find someone as the last breeder wanted references?  

I thought the responses from the dog trainers and rescue folks were quite restrained, polite and helpful, but she ended up e-mailing both me and list about how she &quot;didn&#039;t appreciate being lectured&quot;  &quot;had already looked on PetFinder&quot; and how &quot;unhelpful&quot; we were.  (This, after, me, not a retriever person, [sorry, Gina!], looks on PetFinder and finds two different Golden [probably mix] puppies not 10 miles from my house that even I would have considered.}

I hear from her again, she&#039;s getting URLs for both Terrierman and Raised by Wolves posts on picking a dog. Grit our teeth and educate, I guess.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;ve got a &#8220;No Puppy Mills&#8221; and a Rescue ribbon on my truck&#8217;s tailgate, both that support PA rescues, but I&#8217;d buy something snappy from Susan in a minute.</p>
<p>This puppy mill thing just never ends &#8212; I run a e-list for our dog park and just had someone who wanted to &#8220;surprise her husband&#8221; with a Golden puppy and couldn&#8217;t we help her find someone as the last breeder wanted references?  </p>
<p>I thought the responses from the dog trainers and rescue folks were quite restrained, polite and helpful, but she ended up e-mailing both me and list about how she &#8220;didn&#8217;t appreciate being lectured&#8221;  &#8220;had already looked on PetFinder&#8221; and how &#8220;unhelpful&#8221; we were.  (This, after, me, not a retriever person, [sorry, Gina!], looks on PetFinder and finds two different Golden [probably mix] puppies not 10 miles from my house that even I would have considered.}</p>
<p>I hear from her again, she&#8217;s getting URLs for both Terrierman and Raised by Wolves posts on picking a dog. Grit our teeth and educate, I guess.</p>
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		<title>By: Susan Fox</title>
		<link>http://www.petconnection.com/blog/2008/11/23/buyers-and-rescuers-of-puppy-mill-pets-keep-cruelty-flowing/comment-page-1/#comment-373534</link>
		<dc:creator>Susan Fox</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 24 Nov 2008 02:30:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You&#039;re on. Let&#039;s see what folks come up with :-)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You&#8217;re on. Let&#8217;s see what folks come up with :-)</p>
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		<title>By: Gina Spadafori</title>
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		<dc:creator>Gina Spadafori</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 24 Nov 2008 00:50:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Susan ... I will be first in line to buy one if you do. :)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Susan &#8230; I will be first in line to buy one if you do. :)</p>
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