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	<title>Comments on: Some things never change: A pet-food recall &#8230; on a Friday night</title>
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		<title>By: Carol V</title>
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		<dc:creator>Carol V</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 15 Sep 2008 22:34:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>according to one of the cat&#039;s owner..his food is involved...a poster at itchmo has made contact with him and he is a member there as well..I guess time will tell...

http://itchmoforums.com/your-problems-with-pet-food/special-kitty-kibblelocal-pet-owner-blames-food-for-cats-death-wsb-atlanta-t5914.0.html;msg86851#msg86851</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>according to one of the cat&#8217;s owner..his food is involved&#8230;a poster at itchmo has made contact with him and he is a member there as well..I guess time will tell&#8230;</p>
<p><a href="http://itchmoforums.com/your-problems-with-pet-food/special-kitty-kibblelocal-pet-owner-blames-food-for-cats-death-wsb-atlanta-t5914.0.html;msg86851#msg86851" rel="nofollow">http://itchmoforums.com/your-p.....1#msg86851</a></p>
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		<title>By: Missyjax</title>
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		<dc:creator>Missyjax</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 15 Sep 2008 13:30:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I agree, Joy.  We can&#039;t even guarantee the absence of salmonella in human food, and it  would be unrealistic to expect perfection. 

But what little I know about this is the same old story of knowing more than they release.  It&#039;s not just the Friday pm thing - the investigation has been going on for weeks.  

And their press release was worthless. Did they test the bags eaten by the cats of the 2 victims?  How can you leave that out of the story?  

The Atlanta thing is interesting but it might be something else.  For one thing, it&#039;s not manufactured at the same plant.  They could have two totally separate problems.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I agree, Joy.  We can&#8217;t even guarantee the absence of salmonella in human food, and it  would be unrealistic to expect perfection. </p>
<p>But what little I know about this is the same old story of knowing more than they release.  It&#8217;s not just the Friday pm thing - the investigation has been going on for weeks.  </p>
<p>And their press release was worthless. Did they test the bags eaten by the cats of the 2 victims?  How can you leave that out of the story?  </p>
<p>The Atlanta thing is interesting but it might be something else.  For one thing, it&#8217;s not manufactured at the same plant.  They could have two totally separate problems.</p>
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		<title>By: Carol V</title>
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		<dc:creator>Carol V</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 13 Sep 2008 23:15:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I wonder if this story from August in Atlanta regarding the Special kitty kibble has anything to do with the current recall...??

http://www.wsbtv.com/video/17184047/index.html</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I wonder if this story from August in Atlanta regarding the Special kitty kibble has anything to do with the current recall&#8230;??</p>
<p><a href="http://www.wsbtv.com/video/17184047/index.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.wsbtv.com/video/17184047/index.html</a></p>
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		<title>By: Joy</title>
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		<dc:creator>Joy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 13 Sep 2008 23:04:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m curious about how these sort of recalls happen...I mean, we know that pet food companies are not required to test each product for things like Salmonella (AAFCO only gives quality control/testing &quot;guidelines&quot; which, are entirely voluntary) ....so, did Mars just run an annual sampling test or receive some complaints from consumers or what?

Also, are there &quot;allowable tolerance levels&quot; of salmonella in pet foods like there are in certain human foods?  If so, I wonder what the levels are and what - if anything - we know about how safe or unsafe those levels are to pets or to the people handling the pet food.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m curious about how these sort of recalls happen&#8230;I mean, we know that pet food companies are not required to test each product for things like Salmonella (AAFCO only gives quality control/testing &#8220;guidelines&#8221; which, are entirely voluntary) &#8230;.so, did Mars just run an annual sampling test or receive some complaints from consumers or what?</p>
<p>Also, are there &#8220;allowable tolerance levels&#8221; of salmonella in pet foods like there are in certain human foods?  If so, I wonder what the levels are and what - if anything - we know about how safe or unsafe those levels are to pets or to the people handling the pet food.</p>
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		<title>By: Mary</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mary</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 13 Sep 2008 21:48:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think the Friday night press releases have as much to do with the stock market as they do with pet owners.  The stock market this weekend has its attention on something else too; Lehman&#039;s and other players in the financial markets trying to save their hides.  That fiasco will probably overshadow negative news regarding Mars.

As I recall, there was a lot of stock dumped by insiders prior to the last round of pet food recalls.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think the Friday night press releases have as much to do with the stock market as they do with pet owners.  The stock market this weekend has its attention on something else too; Lehman&#8217;s and other players in the financial markets trying to save their hides.  That fiasco will probably overshadow negative news regarding Mars.</p>
<p>As I recall, there was a lot of stock dumped by insiders prior to the last round of pet food recalls.</p>
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		<title>By: kb</title>
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		<dc:creator>kb</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 13 Sep 2008 19:30:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;We have asserted all along that the VERY MINIMUM people should be able to expect from a food — sold for people or for pets, doesn’t matter, no matter where it’s sold or the price it’s sold for — is that IT SHOULD NOT CAUSE ILLNESS OR DEATH.&quot;

Absolutely!!! Shouldn&#039;t be this hard to achieve.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;We have asserted all along that the VERY MINIMUM people should be able to expect from a food — sold for people or for pets, doesn’t matter, no matter where it’s sold or the price it’s sold for — is that IT SHOULD NOT CAUSE ILLNESS OR DEATH.&#8221;</p>
<p>Absolutely!!! Shouldn&#8217;t be this hard to achieve.</p>
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		<title>By: Gina Spadafori</title>
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		<dc:creator>Gina Spadafori</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 13 Sep 2008 16:22:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Also, sorry to sound crabby, but the raw feeding debate doesn’t belong here.

Comment by Kelly Quinn — September 13, 2008 @ 8:52 am

We try not to tell readers where to go with the debate. 

But let me make this point, AGAIN: 

Throughout the pet-food recall, we asserted again and again that this wasn&#039;t about home-prepared vs. commercial. We resisted calls from raw feeders to make that part of what we wrote about. 

We have asserted all along that the VERY MINIMUM people should be able to expect from a food -- sold for people or for pets, doesn&#039;t matter, no matter where it&#039;s sold or the price it&#039;s sold for -- is that IT SHOULD NOT CAUSE ILLNESS OR DEATH. 

That&#039;s the bottom line here. The safety of the food-supply system, not the home prepared vs. commercial debate.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Also, sorry to sound crabby, but the raw feeding debate doesn’t belong here.</p>
<p>Comment by Kelly Quinn — September 13, 2008 @ 8:52 am</p>
<p>We try not to tell readers where to go with the debate. </p>
<p>But let me make this point, AGAIN: </p>
<p>Throughout the pet-food recall, we asserted again and again that this wasn&#8217;t about home-prepared vs. commercial. We resisted calls from raw feeders to make that part of what we wrote about. </p>
<p>We have asserted all along that the VERY MINIMUM people should be able to expect from a food &#8212; sold for people or for pets, doesn&#8217;t matter, no matter where it&#8217;s sold or the price it&#8217;s sold for &#8212; is that IT SHOULD NOT CAUSE ILLNESS OR DEATH. </p>
<p>That&#8217;s the bottom line here. The safety of the food-supply system, not the home prepared vs. commercial debate.</p>
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		<title>By: Kelly Quinn</title>
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		<dc:creator>Kelly Quinn</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 13 Sep 2008 15:52:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I am beyond pissed at this for the same reason mentioned in the first post.  Why late Friday?  Oh wait, I know.

Furthermore, why not announce if they&#039;ve tested any of the recalled bags?  It&#039;s not rocket science.

I do know if 2 unrelated humans get salmonella and they investigated enough to figure out that both fed their pets Mars foods, this has been ongoing for weeks.  So don&#039;t give me that crap that this was &quot;precautionary&quot;.  

The only good news for pet lovers in all this is that salmonella can pose serious threats to certain young, old, immune compromised animals, but otherwise healthy adults generally shake it off.

The bad news for these corporate sh*theads is that this time there&#039;s a huge risk for human tansmission.  They don&#039;t care if pets die, because there&#039;s not much money to be made in liability.  But humans?

I would encourage everyone to NOT return what you have right away.  You can always do it in a couple weeks.  But I want to see how this shakes out before I return my only proof that I had some of this stuff.  

Also, sorry to sound crabby, but the raw feeding debate doesn&#039;t belong here.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I am beyond pissed at this for the same reason mentioned in the first post.  Why late Friday?  Oh wait, I know.</p>
<p>Furthermore, why not announce if they&#8217;ve tested any of the recalled bags?  It&#8217;s not rocket science.</p>
<p>I do know if 2 unrelated humans get salmonella and they investigated enough to figure out that both fed their pets Mars foods, this has been ongoing for weeks.  So don&#8217;t give me that crap that this was &#8220;precautionary&#8221;.  </p>
<p>The only good news for pet lovers in all this is that salmonella can pose serious threats to certain young, old, immune compromised animals, but otherwise healthy adults generally shake it off.</p>
<p>The bad news for these corporate sh*theads is that this time there&#8217;s a huge risk for human tansmission.  They don&#8217;t care if pets die, because there&#8217;s not much money to be made in liability.  But humans?</p>
<p>I would encourage everyone to NOT return what you have right away.  You can always do it in a couple weeks.  But I want to see how this shakes out before I return my only proof that I had some of this stuff.  </p>
<p>Also, sorry to sound crabby, but the raw feeding debate doesn&#8217;t belong here.</p>
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		<title>By: Dr Patty Khuly</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dr Patty Khuly</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 13 Sep 2008 15:29:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Careful on the Italian...&quot;Spadafori&quot; isn&#039;t exactly Anglo. ;-)

On the raw feeding...invectives flung at clients on the raw deal usually come from a good place...too bad it&#039;s largely a misinformed one. I consider it a great teaching opportunity--not a reason to client bash.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Careful on the Italian&#8230;&#8221;Spadafori&#8221; isn&#8217;t exactly Anglo. ;-)</p>
<p>On the raw feeding&#8230;invectives flung at clients on the raw deal usually come from a good place&#8230;too bad it&#8217;s largely a misinformed one. I consider it a great teaching opportunity&#8212;not a reason to client bash.</p>
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		<title>By: Gina Spadafori</title>
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		<dc:creator>Gina Spadafori</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 13 Sep 2008 13:47:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Based on my own family’s experience, I’d say that the Sicilian word for shicksa is “Irish.” :)

Comment by Lis — September 13, 2008 @ 4:43 am 

Oh ha! You got that right! 

Gina</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Based on my own family’s experience, I’d say that the Sicilian word for shicksa is “Irish.” :)</p>
<p>Comment by Lis — September 13, 2008 @ 4:43 am </p>
<p>Oh ha! You got that right! </p>
<p>Gina</p>
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