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		<title>By: Gina Spadafori</title>
		<link>http://www.petconnection.com/blog/2008/07/30/thebiglies/#comment-337177</link>
		<dc:creator>Gina Spadafori</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 11 Aug 2008 16:50:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You might want to read more carefully, Linda, before you shoot YOUR mouth off. 

Caveat writes, "... warrantless entry into any building that is not a dwelling, just for a look-see ..."

What part of "is not a dwelling" are you unable to comprehend?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You might want to read more carefully, Linda, before you shoot YOUR mouth off. </p>
<p>Caveat writes, &#8220;&#8230; warrantless entry into any building that is not a dwelling, just for a look-see &#8230;&#8221;</p>
<p>What part of &#8220;is not a dwelling&#8221; are you unable to comprehend?</p>
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		<title>By: Linda</title>
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		<dc:creator>Linda</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 11 Aug 2008 16:39:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Caveat - why don't get your facts straight before you start spreading false information.  Your remarks about warrantless entry are totally inaccurate.  If you were to bother to read the proposed legislation thoroughly, you would see that the warrantless entry does NOT apply to dwellings, which basically means backyards and fields - and it has nothing to do with just wanting a "look-see".  Do a little research before you shoot your mouth off.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Caveat - why don&#8217;t get your facts straight before you start spreading false information.  Your remarks about warrantless entry are totally inaccurate.  If you were to bother to read the proposed legislation thoroughly, you would see that the warrantless entry does NOT apply to dwellings, which basically means backyards and fields - and it has nothing to do with just wanting a &#8220;look-see&#8221;.  Do a little research before you shoot your mouth off.</p>
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		<title>By: Christine S</title>
		<link>http://www.petconnection.com/blog/2008/07/30/thebiglies/#comment-331326</link>
		<dc:creator>Christine S</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 02 Aug 2008 04:13:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@HH
I didn't say need, though, I said require, which is really semantics, but I did intentionally try to avoid saying "need" for the reason you pointed out. I'll roll with it though. 
 
Of course I don't need a Wii, but if my Wii slips out of its leash, or something and becomes lost, I'd rather make sure there's not going to be a litter of Wiis that may end up homeless or worse. Except, you know, my Wii isn't alive, so let's pretend it's a much-loved intact dog, that just spawned a litter of puppies. Not only would I have lost my dog, which I can't even imagine, but I'd have also just contributed to homeless puppies.

Worst case scenario, yes, but it is possible, and it's not a risk I'd be willing to take. But, I suppose you're right too, if you want to leave your dog intact, that's your choice.

But, I also think such a scenario (or even a more person-at-fault-scenario with the same outcome of puppies) is more likely for the ordinary person rather than a frequenter of this blog. And, that's where low-cost s/n and education come in.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@HH<br />
I didn&#8217;t say need, though, I said require, which is really semantics, but I did intentionally try to avoid saying &#8220;need&#8221; for the reason you pointed out. I&#8217;ll roll with it though. </p>
<p>Of course I don&#8217;t need a Wii, but if my Wii slips out of its leash, or something and becomes lost, I&#8217;d rather make sure there&#8217;s not going to be a litter of Wiis that may end up homeless or worse. Except, you know, my Wii isn&#8217;t alive, so let&#8217;s pretend it&#8217;s a much-loved intact dog, that just spawned a litter of puppies. Not only would I have lost my dog, which I can&#8217;t even imagine, but I&#8217;d have also just contributed to homeless puppies.</p>
<p>Worst case scenario, yes, but it is possible, and it&#8217;s not a risk I&#8217;d be willing to take. But, I suppose you&#8217;re right too, if you want to leave your dog intact, that&#8217;s your choice.</p>
<p>But, I also think such a scenario (or even a more person-at-fault-scenario with the same outcome of puppies) is more likely for the ordinary person rather than a frequenter of this blog. And, that&#8217;s where low-cost s/n and education come in.</p>
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		<title>By: JenniferJ</title>
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		<dc:creator>JenniferJ</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 01 Aug 2008 20:24:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Just to clarify my above statement, when I said I would place an intact dog with this woman, I meant a dog that I personally bred, NOT a rescue. We alter all rescues. If they are not able to be altered for medical reasons, they are placed on long term foster care, sometimes lifetime, but rescue maintains legal ownership.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Just to clarify my above statement, when I said I would place an intact dog with this woman, I meant a dog that I personally bred, NOT a rescue. We alter all rescues. If they are not able to be altered for medical reasons, they are placed on long term foster care, sometimes lifetime, but rescue maintains legal ownership.</p>
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		<title>By: H. Houlahan</title>
		<link>http://www.petconnection.com/blog/2008/07/30/thebiglies/#comment-330995</link>
		<dc:creator>H. Houlahan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 01 Aug 2008 20:17:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&#62;short of a medical reason I still do not quite understand why a non-breeder would require an intact dog.&#60;

Really, whose place is it to decide what someone else is permitted to "require?"

I have an acquaintance, not a breeder, who was denied a variance to keep, I believe, five well-trained and inoffensive dogs.  She'd had to move suddenly to care for her ailing mother, and found herself, to her great surprise, out of compliance with a local ordinance -- so she foolishly outed herself by asking for a variance.  No complaints from the neighbors, who were unaware of the dogs.  But one person testified against the variance because "Nobody &lt;i&gt;needs&lt;/i&gt; five dogs!"

So random strangers get to decide what we "need" when it comes to our animals.  Nobody &lt;i&gt;needs&lt;/i&gt; a pitbull or Rottweiler.  Nobody &lt;i&gt;needs&lt;/i&gt; a dog with testicles or ovaries.  Nobody &lt;i&gt;needs&lt;/i&gt; a dog over 25 pounds.  Nobody &lt;i&gt;needs&lt;/i&gt; more than three pets total.

Right?

In my opinion, my neighbor does not &lt;i&gt;need&lt;/i&gt; his ridiculous racing car, my doctor does not &lt;i&gt;need&lt;/i&gt; to vacation in the Caribbean, no one &lt;i&gt;needs&lt;/i&gt; a McMansion, a sailboat, a private airplane, a Wii, a leather sofa, premium cable service, a Big Mac.

Yet strangely, nobody seems to feel they have to justify those things they &lt;i&gt;have&lt;/i&gt; to me.  I don't get to decide.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&gt;short of a medical reason I still do not quite understand why a non-breeder would require an intact dog.&lt;</p>
<p>Really, whose place is it to decide what someone else is permitted to &#8220;require?&#8221;</p>
<p>I have an acquaintance, not a breeder, who was denied a variance to keep, I believe, five well-trained and inoffensive dogs.  She&#8217;d had to move suddenly to care for her ailing mother, and found herself, to her great surprise, out of compliance with a local ordinance &#8212; so she foolishly outed herself by asking for a variance.  No complaints from the neighbors, who were unaware of the dogs.  But one person testified against the variance because &#8220;Nobody <i>needs</i> five dogs!&#8221;</p>
<p>So random strangers get to decide what we &#8220;need&#8221; when it comes to our animals.  Nobody <i>needs</i> a pitbull or Rottweiler.  Nobody <i>needs</i> a dog with testicles or ovaries.  Nobody <i>needs</i> a dog over 25 pounds.  Nobody <i>needs</i> more than three pets total.</p>
<p>Right?</p>
<p>In my opinion, my neighbor does not <i>need</i> his ridiculous racing car, my doctor does not <i>need</i> to vacation in the Caribbean, no one <i>needs</i> a McMansion, a sailboat, a private airplane, a Wii, a leather sofa, premium cable service, a Big Mac.</p>
<p>Yet strangely, nobody seems to feel they have to justify those things they <i>have</i> to me.  I don&#8217;t get to decide.</p>
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		<title>By: JenniferJ</title>
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		<dc:creator>JenniferJ</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 01 Aug 2008 19:39:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I recently talked for several hours with a woman who had just lost her bulldog to old age(12-1/2). She grew up with dogs and has had male, intact dogs her entire adult life.

She does not show or breed, her parents had working dogs, some neutered some not, and she simply prefers the subtle and sometimes not so subtle differences in an intact male dogs temperament and drive. She is a medical doctor as well and is very well informed of the risks and benefits of spay and castration. She has references and a solid track record with her dogs going back 30 years.

My placement agreement and contract states that companion puppies are to be altered. Any rescue we place is of course sterilized prior to placement unless medically dangerous. However, I would consider placing an intact dog with this particular woman on a non-breeding agreement. 

Most behavior issues are best addressed and prevented with early socialization and early training. I am seeing an increasing number of dogs coming into our rescue who have already been neutered. The surrendering owners seem surprised that the dog developed aggression towards other dogs or people or is hard to control. They often seem perplexed that neutering them did not prevent or cure these issues. I'm afraid that to some extent the general public has been sold on the idea that neuter will take the place of training and socialization.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I recently talked for several hours with a woman who had just lost her bulldog to old age(12-1/2). She grew up with dogs and has had male, intact dogs her entire adult life.</p>
<p>She does not show or breed, her parents had working dogs, some neutered some not, and she simply prefers the subtle and sometimes not so subtle differences in an intact male dogs temperament and drive. She is a medical doctor as well and is very well informed of the risks and benefits of spay and castration. She has references and a solid track record with her dogs going back 30 years.</p>
<p>My placement agreement and contract states that companion puppies are to be altered. Any rescue we place is of course sterilized prior to placement unless medically dangerous. However, I would consider placing an intact dog with this particular woman on a non-breeding agreement. </p>
<p>Most behavior issues are best addressed and prevented with early socialization and early training. I am seeing an increasing number of dogs coming into our rescue who have already been neutered. The surrendering owners seem surprised that the dog developed aggression towards other dogs or people or is hard to control. They often seem perplexed that neutering them did not prevent or cure these issues. I&#8217;m afraid that to some extent the general public has been sold on the idea that neuter will take the place of training and socialization.</p>
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		<title>By: Judy Warling</title>
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		<dc:creator>Judy Warling</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 01 Aug 2008 19:22:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I have refered many people to the so called Low cost spay/neuter places in lake county and when they go, they are told that it can't be done or they are put on a wait list, or they make to much money (they are just one step from the poverty line)  For those of you out there that say, low cost spade/neuter is available, PLEASE get more information out there when and where it is.  If it is in the downtown ares, a lot of people can't get there.  They work or do not have transportation. PLEASE try to have it at different spots.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I have refered many people to the so called Low cost spay/neuter places in lake county and when they go, they are told that it can&#8217;t be done or they are put on a wait list, or they make to much money (they are just one step from the poverty line)  For those of you out there that say, low cost spade/neuter is available, PLEASE get more information out there when and where it is.  If it is in the downtown ares, a lot of people can&#8217;t get there.  They work or do not have transportation. PLEASE try to have it at different spots.</p>
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		<title>By: trucorgi</title>
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		<dc:creator>trucorgi</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 01 Aug 2008 18:40:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&#62;short of a medical reason I still do not quite understand why a non-breeder would require an intact dog.&#60;

Any dog being shown in AKC conformation must be in tact. Doesn't necessarily mean they will ever be bred. Aside from show dogs though, I want my dog to mature, growth plates to close etc. before altering. I do not want the state to tell me that I have to do it by a particular age. My vet and I will decide when the optimum time is for my individual animal.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&gt;short of a medical reason I still do not quite understand why a non-breeder would require an intact dog.&lt;</p>
<p>Any dog being shown in AKC conformation must be in tact. Doesn&#8217;t necessarily mean they will ever be bred. Aside from show dogs though, I want my dog to mature, growth plates to close etc. before altering. I do not want the state to tell me that I have to do it by a particular age. My vet and I will decide when the optimum time is for my individual animal.</p>
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		<title>By: Christine S</title>
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		<dc:creator>Christine S</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 01 Aug 2008 16:37:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@ Christie Keith-
&lt;i&gt;Shouldn’t we turn that equation around, and have reasons TO do surgery on our pets rather than reasons NOT to?&lt;/i&gt;
That makes a lot of sense, actually. I tend to overlook the obvious. 

As for the medical reasons, I think that's another area that the-average-dog-owner can benefit from, on both ends of the spectrum. Joe-who-wants-to-breed-his-dog-because-she's-so-well-behaved might be more likely to consider spaying if he finds out there are increased health risks, while Mary-who-wants-her-dog-nuetered-asap will be more likely to wait, or if necessary hold off completely if it's explained that there's a higher risk of complications than there is benefits.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@ Christie Keith-<br />
<i>Shouldn’t we turn that equation around, and have reasons TO do surgery on our pets rather than reasons NOT to?</i><br />
That makes a lot of sense, actually. I tend to overlook the obvious. </p>
<p>As for the medical reasons, I think that&#8217;s another area that the-average-dog-owner can benefit from, on both ends of the spectrum. Joe-who-wants-to-breed-his-dog-because-she&#8217;s-so-well-behaved might be more likely to consider spaying if he finds out there are increased health risks, while Mary-who-wants-her-dog-nuetered-asap will be more likely to wait, or if necessary hold off completely if it&#8217;s explained that there&#8217;s a higher risk of complications than there is benefits.</p>
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		<title>By: Christie Keith</title>
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		<dc:creator>Christie Keith</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 01 Aug 2008 15:43:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;More extremely, short of a medical reason I still do not quite understand why a non-breeder would require an intact dog.&lt;/i&gt;

Shouldn't we turn that equation around, and have reasons TO do surgery on our pets rather than reasons NOT to?

There are plenty of potential medical reasons not to spay/neuter individual animals -- I've written about most of them &lt;a HREF="http://www.petconnection.com/blog/2008/01/08/spayneuter-what-does-the-science-say/" rel="nofollow"&gt;here&lt;/a&gt;.

As someone who has neutered exactly one of her male dogs, ever, I can see no reason to neuter them routinely. It has potential risks, and, in my dogs' cases, zero benefit. That seems like a pretty good reason not to do it by default to me.

As for bitches, I can argue either way as a general principle, but in my own case, I've mostly felt the balance came down in favor of spaying. That decision is not without risk or cost, and neither is the decision not to spay.

The decision whether to remove a substantial portion of your dog's endocrine system needs to be made on an individual basis by the owner and his or her veterinarian based on a rational risk vs benefit analysis. I do believe that most people's lives will be easier if their dogs are altered, but I also think that the medical reality is not quite what we've been encouraged to believe for lo, these many years, and that information needs to be part of the equation as well, if for no other reason than to find ways to mitigate the effects of whatever decision we make.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>More extremely, short of a medical reason I still do not quite understand why a non-breeder would require an intact dog.</i></p>
<p>Shouldn&#8217;t we turn that equation around, and have reasons TO do surgery on our pets rather than reasons NOT to?</p>
<p>There are plenty of potential medical reasons not to spay/neuter individual animals &#8212; I&#8217;ve written about most of them <a HREF="http://www.petconnection.com/blog/2008/01/08/spayneuter-what-does-the-science-say/" rel="nofollow">here</a>.</p>
<p>As someone who has neutered exactly one of her male dogs, ever, I can see no reason to neuter them routinely. It has potential risks, and, in my dogs&#8217; cases, zero benefit. That seems like a pretty good reason not to do it by default to me.</p>
<p>As for bitches, I can argue either way as a general principle, but in my own case, I&#8217;ve mostly felt the balance came down in favor of spaying. That decision is not without risk or cost, and neither is the decision not to spay.</p>
<p>The decision whether to remove a substantial portion of your dog&#8217;s endocrine system needs to be made on an individual basis by the owner and his or her veterinarian based on a rational risk vs benefit analysis. I do believe that most people&#8217;s lives will be easier if their dogs are altered, but I also think that the medical reality is not quite what we&#8217;ve been encouraged to believe for lo, these many years, and that information needs to be part of the equation as well, if for no other reason than to find ways to mitigate the effects of whatever decision we make.</p>
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