Comments on: Faxes and phone calls: AB 1634 still a bad bill http://www.petconnection.com/blog/2008/07/10/faxes-and-phone-calls-ab-1634-still-a-bad-bill/ Blogging by a team of pet-care experts led by Dr. Marty Becker. Wed, 17 Mar 2010 04:42:47 -0400 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.8.4 hourly 1 By: Caveat http://www.petconnection.com/blog/2008/07/10/faxes-and-phone-calls-ab-1634-still-a-bad-bill/comment-page-1/#comment-313409 Caveat Sat, 12 Jul 2008 13:37:00 +0000 http://www.petconnection.com/blog/?p=2660#comment-313409 Actually, I find the new wording even worse for the reasons pointed out in the letter Gina posted. I'll send a note to a relative who lives in CA and ask him to send it along to the Senators and Ahnuld. Unlike Jerry, I think that a loud, reasoned, sustained voice from a lot of people can make a difference. Even stalling it year by year while more info comes out about Peta and the AR gang who are behind it in the media outlets is worthwhile imo. This war won't be won with one battle on one front but we can win it eventually. And yeah, Jerry, we all thought the Bill was dead initially but a quick read-through revealed that it was undead - and even more unconstitutional than the first iteration. That's how stealth campaigns work - red herrings, disinformation, a false sense of security, duplicity. Duh. Actually, I find the new wording even worse for the reasons pointed out in the letter Gina posted.

I’ll send a note to a relative who lives in CA and ask him to send it along to the Senators and Ahnuld.

Unlike Jerry, I think that a loud, reasoned, sustained voice from a lot of people can make a difference. Even stalling it year by year while more info comes out about Peta and the AR gang who are behind it in the media outlets is worthwhile imo. This war won’t be won with one battle on one front but we can win it eventually.

And yeah, Jerry, we all thought the Bill was dead initially but a quick read-through revealed that it was undead - and even more unconstitutional than the first iteration. That’s how stealth campaigns work - red herrings, disinformation, a false sense of security, duplicity. Duh.

]]> By: JenniferJ http://www.petconnection.com/blog/2008/07/10/faxes-and-phone-calls-ab-1634-still-a-bad-bill/comment-page-1/#comment-313152 JenniferJ Sat, 12 Jul 2008 03:32:49 +0000 http://www.petconnection.com/blog/?p=2660#comment-313152 Oh a troll. Shocking, Don't folks have better things to do? Self answering question! Oh a troll. Shocking, Don’t folks have better things to do?

Self answering question!

]]> By: jerry http://www.petconnection.com/blog/2008/07/10/faxes-and-phone-calls-ab-1634-still-a-bad-bill/comment-page-1/#comment-313147 jerry Sat, 12 Jul 2008 02:39:55 +0000 http://www.petconnection.com/blog/?p=2660#comment-313147 Hmmmm, it seems like they only got mad and worked with the author, it didn't kill it, it got the committee chair to actually join the other side. I'm afraid it's not working. Hmmmm, it seems like they only got mad and worked with the author, it didn’t kill it, it got the committee chair to actually join the other side. I’m afraid it’s not working.

]]> By: Gina Spadafori http://www.petconnection.com/blog/2008/07/10/faxes-and-phone-calls-ab-1634-still-a-bad-bill/comment-page-1/#comment-313146 Gina Spadafori Sat, 12 Jul 2008 02:36:15 +0000 http://www.petconnection.com/blog/?p=2660#comment-313146 Well ... it worked in that AB 1634 as originally written by Levine was completely re-written to get out of the Senate committee. However, the language that replaced it is still not anything I can support, for reasons articulated earlier. Well … it worked in that AB 1634 as originally written by Levine was completely re-written to get out of the Senate committee.

However, the language that replaced it is still not anything I can support, for reasons articulated earlier.

]]> By: jerry http://www.petconnection.com/blog/2008/07/10/faxes-and-phone-calls-ab-1634-still-a-bad-bill/comment-page-1/#comment-313145 jerry Sat, 12 Jul 2008 02:29:56 +0000 http://www.petconnection.com/blog/?p=2660#comment-313145 Ok, we're in agreement. It's just that you reported it was dead a while back and so did others, when technically it has never been dead...to be dead a bill would need to be voted down and this bill never has. In a two year session a bill gets a number and can go through many changes, but it is AB 1634, it is about spay and neuter and has never been dead. That was my point. So to your point of what worked last year (i.e. burning up the fax machines) that really did not work, because it didn't kill the bill. Ok, we’re in agreement. It’s just that you reported it was dead a while back and so did others, when technically it has never been dead…to be dead a bill would need to be voted down and this bill never has. In a two year session a bill gets a number and can go through many changes, but it is AB 1634, it is about spay and neuter and has never been dead. That was my point. So to your point of what worked last year (i.e. burning up the fax machines) that really did not work, because it didn’t kill the bill.

]]> By: Gina Spadafori http://www.petconnection.com/blog/2008/07/10/faxes-and-phone-calls-ab-1634-still-a-bad-bill/comment-page-1/#comment-313132 Gina Spadafori Sat, 12 Jul 2008 02:06:43 +0000 http://www.petconnection.com/blog/?p=2660#comment-313132 It's the same bill number with new bill language. You can go <a href=http://www.legislature.ca.gov/ rel="nofollow">here</a> to bring up the bill history and look at the changes. It’s the same bill number with new bill language. You can go here to bring up the bill history and look at the changes.

]]> By: jerry http://www.petconnection.com/blog/2008/07/10/faxes-and-phone-calls-ab-1634-still-a-bad-bill/comment-page-1/#comment-313119 jerry Sat, 12 Jul 2008 01:26:30 +0000 http://www.petconnection.com/blog/?p=2660#comment-313119 Funny, everyone claimed AB 1634 was dead..Petpac, you, CDOC, etc. And you're saying it worked last year (burning up their faxes to kill it), but it's still alive this year. So really it never died, so really burning up their faxes didn't work, nor did your argugments against it. Isn't that the real situation? There is no new AB 1634, it's a two year session, it's the same bill but has been amended, and the fact is, it's never been dead. Funny, everyone claimed AB 1634 was dead..Petpac, you, CDOC, etc. And you’re saying it worked last year (burning up their faxes to kill it), but it’s still alive this year. So really it never died, so really burning up their faxes didn’t work, nor did your argugments against it. Isn’t that the real situation? There is no new AB 1634, it’s a two year session, it’s the same bill but has been amended, and the fact is, it’s never been dead.

]]> By: Gina Spadafori http://www.petconnection.com/blog/2008/07/10/faxes-and-phone-calls-ab-1634-still-a-bad-bill/comment-page-1/#comment-313109 Gina Spadafori Sat, 12 Jul 2008 00:25:12 +0000 http://www.petconnection.com/blog/?p=2660#comment-313109 I dunno ... Don't think it will pull much weight with the senators, but it might influence the governor if the bill lands on his desk. I dunno …

Don’t think it will pull much weight with the senators, but it might influence the governor if the bill lands on his desk.

]]> By: Caveat http://www.petconnection.com/blog/2008/07/10/faxes-and-phone-calls-ab-1634-still-a-bad-bill/comment-page-1/#comment-313108 Caveat Sat, 12 Jul 2008 00:22:02 +0000 http://www.petconnection.com/blog/?p=2660#comment-313108 Great post. Would faxing from out of town (Ontario) help or hurt the cause, do you think? I'm willing to voice my concerns but don't want to muddy the waters. Great post.

Would faxing from out of town (Ontario) help or hurt the cause, do you think? I’m willing to voice my concerns but don’t want to muddy the waters.

]]> By: LauraS http://www.petconnection.com/blog/2008/07/10/faxes-and-phone-calls-ab-1634-still-a-bad-bill/comment-page-1/#comment-313088 LauraS Fri, 11 Jul 2008 23:14:50 +0000 http://www.petconnection.com/blog/?p=2660#comment-313088 It was announced today that AB 1634 is bypassing the Appropriations Committee and going straight to the full California state Senate for a floor vote. Levine is fast-tracking this bill in an attempt to keep us from mounting our opposition in time to stop it. Californians should contact their state Senator NOW and voice their strong opposition to this bill. Burn down their fax machines and overwhelm their phone lines with your polite opposition. It worked last year, when we stopped the "old" AB 1634 from advancing. The only thing that will stop this bill from passing in the California state legislature is tens of thousands of citizens in opposition. After over a year working on this, it's clear that this legislature cannot be persuaded by logic and reason. They respond when we tie up their fax machines and phone lines with an overwhelming volume of opposition. How to contact your state senator http://saveourdogs.net/ Policy objections: http://saveourdogs.net/documents/SaveOurDogsPositionLG2.pdf [note: the points are still valid, though it is too late to ask for the amendments mentioned in this letter] Fiscal objections: http://saveourdogs.net/documents/SaveOurDogsSenateAppro.pdf It was announced today that AB 1634 is bypassing the Appropriations Committee and going straight to the full California state Senate for a floor vote. Levine is fast-tracking this bill in an attempt to keep us from mounting our opposition in time to stop it.

Californians should contact their state Senator NOW and voice their strong opposition to this bill. Burn down their fax machines and overwhelm their phone lines with your polite opposition. It worked last year, when we stopped the “old” AB 1634 from advancing.

The only thing that will stop this bill from passing in the California state legislature is tens of thousands of citizens in opposition. After over a year working on this, it’s clear that this legislature cannot be persuaded by logic and reason. They respond when we tie up their fax machines and phone lines with an overwhelming volume of opposition.

How to contact your state senator http://saveourdogs.net/

Policy objections: http://saveourdogs.net/documen.....ionLG2.pdf
[note: the points are still valid, though it is too late to ask for the amendments mentioned in this letter]

Fiscal objections: http://saveourdogs.net/documen.....eAppro.pdf

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