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		<title>By: Joy</title>
		<link>http://www.petconnection.com/blog/2008/07/02/poop-in-food/comment-page-1/#comment-485688</link>
		<dc:creator>Joy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 11 Apr 2010 14:30:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;In fact, this vet said that even when you wash the dishes used to prepare your dog’s raw dinner in a dishwasher set on sanitize, even if you wash them in bleach and hot, soapy water, they still have measurable levels of bacterial contamination on them after washing. Even the glass or stainless steel dishes.&quot;

I bet she had read this study
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC1555674/

...which actually reads....

&quot;This study does not confirm the risk of transmission of Salmonella spp. in households where raw diets are fed;&quot;

and

&quot;The clinical relevance of Salmonella spp. contamination of food bowls, at any level, in terms of animal and human health is unclear, and it is possible that reduction in numbers, not complete elimination, is the most important factor in most households.&quot;

and 

&quot;The difference between scrubbing followed by soaking in bleach and dishwasher cleaning was not significant. &quot;

I guess if salmonella can&#039;t be killed in the kitchen, we&#039;re all in trouble.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;In fact, this vet said that even when you wash the dishes used to prepare your dog’s raw dinner in a dishwasher set on sanitize, even if you wash them in bleach and hot, soapy water, they still have measurable levels of bacterial contamination on them after washing. Even the glass or stainless steel dishes.&#8221;</p>
<p>I bet she had read this study<br />
<a href="http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC1555674/" rel="nofollow">http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pm.....MC1555674/</a></p>
<p>&#8230;which actually reads&#8230;.</p>
<p>&#8220;This study does not confirm the risk of transmission of Salmonella spp. in households where raw diets are fed;&#8221;</p>
<p>and</p>
<p>&#8220;The clinical relevance of Salmonella spp. contamination of food bowls, at any level, in terms of animal and human health is unclear, and it is possible that reduction in numbers, not complete elimination, is the most important factor in most households.&#8221;</p>
<p>and </p>
<p>&#8220;The difference between scrubbing followed by soaking in bleach and dishwasher cleaning was not significant. &#8220;</p>
<p>I guess if salmonella can&#8217;t be killed in the kitchen, we&#8217;re all in trouble.</p>
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		<title>By: Gina Spadafori</title>
		<link>http://www.petconnection.com/blog/2008/07/02/poop-in-food/comment-page-1/#comment-485677</link>
		<dc:creator>Gina Spadafori</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 10 Apr 2010 19:08:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hey, I LOVE nurse practitioners. :)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hey, I LOVE nurse practitioners. :)</p>
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		<title>By: Nancy</title>
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		<dc:creator>Nancy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 10 Apr 2010 18:05:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks for letting me express my opinion as well.  I realized after I made it that I was almost 2 years too late!  The subject of pet food is very important to me, but the one statement about nurse practitioners made me forget what else was written in the article.  I appreciate the different viewpoints presented by the writers of your publication.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks for letting me express my opinion as well.  I realized after I made it that I was almost 2 years too late!  The subject of pet food is very important to me, but the one statement about nurse practitioners made me forget what else was written in the article.  I appreciate the different viewpoints presented by the writers of your publication.</p>
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		<title>By: Gina Spadafori</title>
		<link>http://www.petconnection.com/blog/2008/07/02/poop-in-food/comment-page-1/#comment-485672</link>
		<dc:creator>Gina Spadafori</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 10 Apr 2010 17:35:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Please be aware your audience is made up of more than writers and vets.

Comment by Nancy — April 10, 2010

Please be aware that our commenters are welcome to their own opinions, as long as they&#039;re not trolling.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Please be aware your audience is made up of more than writers and vets.</p>
<p>Comment by Nancy — April 10, 2010</p>
<p>Please be aware that our commenters are welcome to their own opinions, as long as they&#8217;re not trolling.</p>
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		<title>By: Nancy</title>
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		<dc:creator>Nancy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 10 Apr 2010 17:24:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The off hand remark about nurse practitioners was not appreciated.  I am a nurse practitioner and my husband is a physician.  We both agree I know more about internal medicine, although he knows more about surgery.  I think we all know that each provider, including vets, is an individual with different skill sets.  It was an unfair representation and did not have anything to do with pet food.  Please be aware your audience is made up of more than writers and vets.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The off hand remark about nurse practitioners was not appreciated.  I am a nurse practitioner and my husband is a physician.  We both agree I know more about internal medicine, although he knows more about surgery.  I think we all know that each provider, including vets, is an individual with different skill sets.  It was an unfair representation and did not have anything to do with pet food.  Please be aware your audience is made up of more than writers and vets.</p>
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		<title>By: Amy Suggars</title>
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		<dc:creator>Amy Suggars</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 10 Apr 2010 16:37:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The only thing I have to say in response to the speaker at the vet conference...my dogs supplement their meals with poop by choice and preference.  They eat their own poop, cat poop, rabbit poop, deer poop, goose poop, etc. despite my best efforts to stop them.  They will eat dead mice &amp; moles my cat leaves on the front stoop. All of this is raw.  A little bacterial contamination in my kitchen is not going to be the primary source of gastrointestinal issues in my dogs. 

 I guess the vets at that conference never had clients ask about their dog&#039;s coprophagy.  And isn&#039;t it normal for a bitch with young puppies to clean up after them herself? And what about drinking from puddles and ponds?  My point is that pets are exposed to bacteria in so many ways that vets deal with regularly that food contamination has to be waaaaay down on the list.

I understand that vets are exposed to so much information that they simply cannot be an expert at everything.  As an entomologist, I cannot and do not know everything about all insects.  However, I am able to remember insect stuff and still process other information logically.  Maybe those vets who were nodding and taking notes were actually nodding off or doodling.  That&#039;s what I would have been doing!!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The only thing I have to say in response to the speaker at the vet conference&#8230;my dogs supplement their meals with poop by choice and preference.  They eat their own poop, cat poop, rabbit poop, deer poop, goose poop, etc. despite my best efforts to stop them.  They will eat dead mice &amp; moles my cat leaves on the front stoop. All of this is raw.  A little bacterial contamination in my kitchen is not going to be the primary source of gastrointestinal issues in my dogs. </p>
<p> I guess the vets at that conference never had clients ask about their dog&#8217;s coprophagy.  And isn&#8217;t it normal for a bitch with young puppies to clean up after them herself? And what about drinking from puddles and ponds?  My point is that pets are exposed to bacteria in so many ways that vets deal with regularly that food contamination has to be waaaaay down on the list.</p>
<p>I understand that vets are exposed to so much information that they simply cannot be an expert at everything.  As an entomologist, I cannot and do not know everything about all insects.  However, I am able to remember insect stuff and still process other information logically.  Maybe those vets who were nodding and taking notes were actually nodding off or doodling.  That&#8217;s what I would have been doing!!</p>
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		<title>By: The OTHER Pat</title>
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		<dc:creator>The OTHER Pat</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 04 Oct 2009 14:49:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This poor woman:

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2009/10/03/e-coli-woman-paralyzed-af_n_308871.html</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This poor woman:</p>
<p><a href="http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2009/10/03/e-coli-woman-paralyzed-af_n_308871.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.huffingtonpost.com/.....08871.html</a></p>
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		<title>By: Monika</title>
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		<dc:creator>Monika</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 05 Sep 2008 11:42:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi Christie,

re. the dangers of raw diets - what about salmonella in dry dog food?

MMWR Morb Mortal Wkly Rep. 2008 May 16;57(19):521-4.

Multistate outbreak of human Salmonella infections caused by contaminated dry dog food--United States, 2006-2007.

Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC).
During January 1, 2006-December 31, 2007, CDC collaborated with public health officials in Pennsylvania, other states, and the Food and Drug Administration (FDA) to investigate a prolonged multistate outbreak of Salmonella enterica serotype Schwarzengrund infections in humans. A total of 70 cases of S. Schwarzengrund infection with the outbreak strain (XbaI pulsed-field gel electrophoresis [PFGE] pattern JM6X01.0015) were identified in 19 states, mostly in the northeastern United States. This report describes the outbreak investigation, which identified the source of infection as dry dog food produced at a manufacturing plant in Pennsylvania. This investigation is the first to identify contaminated dry dog food as a source of human Salmonella infections. After handling pet foods, pet owners should wash their hands immediately, and infants should be kept away from pet feeding areas.

 
 Vet Microbiol. 2007 Jan 31;119(2-4):316-23. Epub 2006 Aug 17. 
 
Salmonella Montevideo outbreak in military kennel dogs caused by contaminated commercial feed, which was only recognized through monitoring.
Schotte U, Borchers D, Wulff C, Geue L.
Zentrales Institut des Sanitätsdienstes der Bundeswehr Kiel, Laborabteilung II, Veterinärmedizin, Kopperpahler Allee 120, 24119 Kronshagen, Germany. U.Schotte@t-online.de

A large outbreak of canine salmonellosis in military watch dogs due to Salmonella Montevideo and/or Salmonella Give was only recognized through a monitoring program, implemented by the military forces. In 51 out of 80 exposed dogs (63.8%) from four kennels Salmonella was isolated from fecal samples. The prevalence per sampling day ranged from 5.6 to 77.8%. Clinical disease with mild diarrhea but without fever appeared only in nine dogs (11.3% of study population, 16.9% of cases) from one kennel (***P &lt; 0.001). Risk analysis identified &quot;dog food A&quot; (odds ratio 3.33 [1.12 &lt; OR &lt; 10.06] *P &lt; 0.05) and &quot;dog food C&quot; (odds ratio 3.40 [1.07 &lt; OR &lt; 11.22] *P &lt; 0.05), two commercial dehydrated dog feeds, as suspected infectious sources. Feeding &quot;dog food C&quot; alone or together with &quot;dog food A&quot; was significantly associated with clinical disease (***P &lt; 0.001). S. Montevideo and S. Give with similar plasmid profiles and PFGE-restriction patterns were isolated from the suspected dog feeds and fecal samples. This outbreak demonstrates not only that Salmonella infections in dogs occur without clinical symptoms but also that large outbreaks occur after feeding dehydrated dog feeds. Especially in households with known risk group patients this finding demonstrates a particular risk for their owners, as they often live in close contact with their animals.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Christie,</p>
<p>re. the dangers of raw diets - what about salmonella in dry dog food?</p>
<p>MMWR Morb Mortal Wkly Rep. 2008 May 16;57(19):521-4.</p>
<p>Multistate outbreak of human Salmonella infections caused by contaminated dry dog food&#8212;United States, 2006-2007.</p>
<p>Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC).<br />
During January 1, 2006-December 31, 2007, CDC collaborated with public health officials in Pennsylvania, other states, and the Food and Drug Administration (FDA) to investigate a prolonged multistate outbreak of Salmonella enterica serotype Schwarzengrund infections in humans. A total of 70 cases of S. Schwarzengrund infection with the outbreak strain (XbaI pulsed-field gel electrophoresis [PFGE] pattern JM6X01.0015) were identified in 19 states, mostly in the northeastern United States. This report describes the outbreak investigation, which identified the source of infection as dry dog food produced at a manufacturing plant in Pennsylvania. This investigation is the first to identify contaminated dry dog food as a source of human Salmonella infections. After handling pet foods, pet owners should wash their hands immediately, and infants should be kept away from pet feeding areas.</p>
<p> Vet Microbiol. 2007 Jan 31;119(2-4):316-23. Epub 2006 Aug 17. </p>
<p>Salmonella Montevideo outbreak in military kennel dogs caused by contaminated commercial feed, which was only recognized through monitoring.<br />
Schotte U, Borchers D, Wulff C, Geue L.<br />
Zentrales Institut des Sanitätsdienstes der Bundeswehr Kiel, Laborabteilung II, Veterinärmedizin, Kopperpahler Allee 120, 24119 Kronshagen, Germany. <a href="mailto:U.Schotte@t-online.de">U.Schotte@t-online.de</a></p>
<p>A large outbreak of canine salmonellosis in military watch dogs due to Salmonella Montevideo and/or Salmonella Give was only recognized through a monitoring program, implemented by the military forces. In 51 out of 80 exposed dogs (63.8%) from four kennels Salmonella was isolated from fecal samples. The prevalence per sampling day ranged from 5.6 to 77.8%. Clinical disease with mild diarrhea but without fever appeared only in nine dogs (11.3% of study population, 16.9% of cases) from one kennel (***P &lt; 0.001). Risk analysis identified &#8220;dog food A&#8221; (odds ratio 3.33 [1.12 &lt; OR &lt; 10.06] *P &lt; 0.05) and &#8220;dog food C&#8221; (odds ratio 3.40 [1.07 &lt; OR &lt; 11.22] *P &lt; 0.05), two commercial dehydrated dog feeds, as suspected infectious sources. Feeding &#8220;dog food C&#8221; alone or together with &#8220;dog food A&#8221; was significantly associated with clinical disease (***P &lt; 0.001). S. Montevideo and S. Give with similar plasmid profiles and PFGE-restriction patterns were isolated from the suspected dog feeds and fecal samples. This outbreak demonstrates not only that Salmonella infections in dogs occur without clinical symptoms but also that large outbreaks occur after feeding dehydrated dog feeds. Especially in households with known risk group patients this finding demonstrates a particular risk for their owners, as they often live in close contact with their animals.</p>
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		<title>By: Wendy</title>
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		<dc:creator>Wendy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 17 Aug 2008 12:52:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;Instead of seeing a nurse practioner like I did in Boston because the doctors were too busy, I get a real doctor who will send me for tests if I want to take them.
I had to beg a nurse practioner to give me a cortisone shot when my leg was so swollen that the blood came out of my toes and my physician son had to call up from another state.&quot;

WHOA!  There are numerous studies that have borne out the fact that nurse practitioners provide the same level of care with outcomes that are NO DIFFERENT from doctors care!  YOU got a lousy nurse practitioner....and you can just as easily get a lousy doctor.  NP&#039;s aren&#039;t seeing you or anyone else because the doctor is too busy.  Gee, that must be why I&#039;m responsible for resuscitation, intubation, placement of invasive lines, chest tube insertion, ventilation management, diagnosis, plan of care, ordering and interpreting diagnostic tests, etc, etc for the sickest babies on the planet...the &quot;doctors&quot; are too busy to take care of these critically ill patients.  Oh and that must be why I have a doctorate degree in my profession, too....so I can care for the patients the doctor is too busy to see.....criminy!  

Your comments are offensive and completely NOT about dog food.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Instead of seeing a nurse practioner like I did in Boston because the doctors were too busy, I get a real doctor who will send me for tests if I want to take them.<br />
I had to beg a nurse practioner to give me a cortisone shot when my leg was so swollen that the blood came out of my toes and my physician son had to call up from another state.&#8221;</p>
<p>WHOA!  There are numerous studies that have borne out the fact that nurse practitioners provide the same level of care with outcomes that are NO DIFFERENT from doctors care!  YOU got a lousy nurse practitioner&#8230;.and you can just as easily get a lousy doctor.  NP&#8217;s aren&#8217;t seeing you or anyone else because the doctor is too busy.  Gee, that must be why I&#8217;m responsible for resuscitation, intubation, placement of invasive lines, chest tube insertion, ventilation management, diagnosis, plan of care, ordering and interpreting diagnostic tests, etc, etc for the sickest babies on the planet&#8230;the &#8220;doctors&#8221; are too busy to take care of these critically ill patients.  Oh and that must be why I have a doctorate degree in my profession, too&#8230;.so I can care for the patients the doctor is too busy to see&#8230;..criminy!  </p>
<p>Your comments are offensive and completely NOT about dog food.</p>
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		<title>By: Christie Keith</title>
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		<dc:creator>Christie Keith</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Jul 2008 15:30:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Good to know he&#039;s in good hands. :)

I don&#039;t suggest rapid weight loss in ANY cat, specifically due to the risk of hepatic lipidosis. I believe in any species, slow and steady and sustainable are the keys to success.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Good to know he&#8217;s in good hands. :)</p>
<p>I don&#8217;t suggest rapid weight loss in ANY cat, specifically due to the risk of hepatic lipidosis. I believe in any species, slow and steady and sustainable are the keys to success.</p>
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