Comments on: FDA requires Evanger’s to get emergency permit http://www.petconnection.com/blog/2008/04/24/fda-requires-evangers-to-get-emergency-permit/ Blogging by a team of pet-care experts led by Dr. Marty Becker. Mon, 22 Mar 2010 02:44:14 -0400 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.8.4 hourly 1 By: Suze http://www.petconnection.com/blog/2008/04/24/fda-requires-evangers-to-get-emergency-permit/comment-page-2/#comment-459286 Suze Wed, 17 Jun 2009 20:25:55 +0000 http://www.petconnection.com/blog/2008/04/24/fda-requires-evangers-to-get-emergency-permit/#comment-459286 Gary, This problem is unrelated to the '07 melamine/CA recall. Botulism is a very scary disease. (The CDC website has a lot of info.) Up until the 1970's, there were occasional outbreaks from commercially canned food. The laws were made tougher, and there were no outbreaks until the chili and bean recalls of summer, 2007. The paperwork is very, very important in my mind. Once stuff is canned, and if it has not been heated high enough, long enough, a couple of botulism spores can grow and produce enough toxin to put an adult on a respirator for months. Companies have to be able to prove the food cooked long enough at a high enough temperature to kill those spores. Personally, I consider the risk too high. I gather that they haven't found spores, but that doesn't mean they're not there. Once it's canned, they don't open the cans and test them; they ship them out. The other issue I have is the law says you must have that paperwork. They have had a year to rectify the situation, and the FDA is saying they haven't. Gary, This problem is unrelated to the ‘07 melamine/CA recall. Botulism is a very scary disease. (The CDC website has a lot of info.) Up until the 1970’s, there were occasional outbreaks from commercially canned food. The laws were made tougher, and there were no outbreaks until the chili and bean recalls of summer, 2007.

The paperwork is very, very important in my mind. Once stuff is canned, and if it has not been heated high enough, long enough, a couple of botulism spores can grow and produce enough toxin to put an adult on a respirator for months. Companies have to be able to prove the food cooked long enough at a high enough temperature to kill those spores.

Personally, I consider the risk too high. I gather that they haven’t found spores, but that doesn’t mean they’re not there. Once it’s canned, they don’t open the cans and test them; they ship them out. The other issue I have is the law says you must have that paperwork. They have had a year to rectify the situation, and the FDA is saying they haven’t.

]]> By: Gary Kuipers http://www.petconnection.com/blog/2008/04/24/fda-requires-evangers-to-get-emergency-permit/comment-page-2/#comment-459237 Gary Kuipers Wed, 17 Jun 2009 18:33:19 +0000 http://www.petconnection.com/blog/2008/04/24/fda-requires-evangers-to-get-emergency-permit/#comment-459237 Do these have anything to do with the recalls in 2007? Switched to this food during the scare and have dogs have been doing excellent on it!!! And I feel very good now that I switched them to a food that has everything made in america. A paperwork issue? I guess that makes sense, because certainly all of the ingredients they use must go through inspections too if they're from america also, right??? Do these have anything to do with the recalls in 2007? Switched to this food during the scare and have dogs have been doing excellent on it!!! And I feel very good now that I switched them to a food that has everything made in america. A paperwork issue? I guess that makes sense, because certainly all of the ingredients they use must go through inspections too if they’re from america also, right???

]]> By: Leslie K http://www.petconnection.com/blog/2008/04/24/fda-requires-evangers-to-get-emergency-permit/comment-page-2/#comment-458801 Leslie K Tue, 16 Jun 2009 03:45:31 +0000 http://www.petconnection.com/blog/2008/04/24/fda-requires-evangers-to-get-emergency-permit/#comment-458801 Sorry Gina,this shill is following me all around the net. Sorry Gina,this shill is following me all around the net.

]]> By: Gina Spadafori http://www.petconnection.com/blog/2008/04/24/fda-requires-evangers-to-get-emergency-permit/comment-page-2/#comment-458796 Gina Spadafori Tue, 16 Jun 2009 03:13:58 +0000 http://www.petconnection.com/blog/2008/04/24/fda-requires-evangers-to-get-emergency-permit/#comment-458796 OK ... well, you've both had your say on what seems to be a nasty personal argument on another forum. So take it back there, now. Thanks. OK … well, you’ve both had your say on what seems to be a nasty personal argument on another forum. So take it back there, now.

Thanks.

]]> By: Brian Carlisle http://www.petconnection.com/blog/2008/04/24/fda-requires-evangers-to-get-emergency-permit/comment-page-2/#comment-458795 Brian Carlisle Tue, 16 Jun 2009 03:10:01 +0000 http://www.petconnection.com/blog/2008/04/24/fda-requires-evangers-to-get-emergency-permit/#comment-458795 LeslieK, first to dig up the past. I, for one, would not take the advice from a person who tried to extort money from the company she is slamming. (Her itchmo signature says it all....) Been using Evanger's for years and stand by them 100% !!!!!!!!!!!! LeslieK, first to dig up the past.

I, for one, would not take the advice from a person who tried to extort money from the company she is slamming. (Her itchmo signature says it all….)
Been using Evanger’s for years and stand by them 100%
!!!!!!!!!!!!

]]> By: Leslie K http://www.petconnection.com/blog/2008/04/24/fda-requires-evangers-to-get-emergency-permit/comment-page-2/#comment-440913 Leslie K Wed, 06 May 2009 14:42:41 +0000 http://www.petconnection.com/blog/2008/04/24/fda-requires-evangers-to-get-emergency-permit/#comment-440913 Just an FYI, I was contacted yesterday by the OCI [office of criminal investigation for the FDA] the Evangers reinspections didn't go very well and they are interested in speaking to anyone who has had trouble with any foods Evangers makes.They don't want their name & # published,so call the FDA . Just an FYI, I was contacted yesterday by the OCI [office of criminal investigation for the FDA] the Evangers reinspections didn’t go very well and they are interested in speaking to anyone who has had trouble with any foods Evangers makes.They don’t want their name & # published,so call the FDA .

]]> By: Marcy http://www.petconnection.com/blog/2008/04/24/fda-requires-evangers-to-get-emergency-permit/comment-page-2/#comment-373531 Marcy Mon, 24 Nov 2008 02:14:41 +0000 http://www.petconnection.com/blog/2008/04/24/fda-requires-evangers-to-get-emergency-permit/#comment-373531 I don't buy it anymore, as I kept seeing cans on the shelves starting to "bulge." I immediately took them to the manager of the pet store, and their reply was, "oh my goodness, thank you!" I don’t buy it anymore, as I kept seeing cans on the shelves starting to “bulge.”

I immediately took them to the manager of the pet store, and their reply was, “oh my goodness, thank you!”

]]> By: Cinammon & Thunder http://www.petconnection.com/blog/2008/04/24/fda-requires-evangers-to-get-emergency-permit/comment-page-1/#comment-373488 Cinammon & Thunder Mon, 24 Nov 2008 00:09:30 +0000 http://www.petconnection.com/blog/2008/04/24/fda-requires-evangers-to-get-emergency-permit/#comment-373488 Yes, its bizarre but its the way Evangers works. My dogs split a can of their food this past Wednesday and half an hour later, were rushed to the emergency animal hospital, unable to stand or even hold up their heads. An hour later, both were fighting for their lives. These are 10-lb pomeranians we are talking about! My girl came home after a day and a half, my guy got home yesterday-Saturday. He has seizures now, and might for life, and he is on a variety of meds. He is very, very weak and still has muscular control issues. You cannot imagine the horror of thinking you are feeding your babies a quality product and then watch then struggle to live. Its been a living nightmare, and 4 phone messages and 2 emails to the 'concerned and caring' evangers food company have been unanswered. Oh, but wait..my roommate did talk with joel sher, who responded with a 'oh please' when told of the incident and then hung up on her. Yet, he has posted on other sites that this didnt happen. It did indeed happen. Yes, its bizarre but its the way Evangers works. My dogs split a can of their food this past Wednesday and half an hour later, were rushed to the emergency animal hospital, unable to stand or even hold up their heads. An hour later, both were fighting for their lives. These are 10-lb pomeranians we are talking about! My girl came home after a day and a half, my guy got home yesterday-Saturday. He has seizures now, and might for life, and he is on a variety of meds. He is very, very weak and still has muscular control issues. You cannot imagine the horror of thinking you are feeding your babies a quality product and then watch then struggle to live. Its been a living nightmare, and 4 phone messages and 2 emails to the ‘concerned and caring’ evangers food company have been unanswered. Oh, but wait..my roommate did talk with joel sher, who responded with a ‘oh please’ when told of the incident and then hung up on her. Yet, he has posted on other sites that this didnt happen. It did indeed happen.

]]> By: Leslie k http://www.petconnection.com/blog/2008/04/24/fda-requires-evangers-to-get-emergency-permit/comment-page-1/#comment-270008 Leslie k Thu, 22 May 2008 14:35:01 +0000 http://www.petconnection.com/blog/2008/04/24/fda-requires-evangers-to-get-emergency-permit/#comment-270008 If you think that is bizarre check out the multiple threads on Evangers on Itchmoforums,consumer affairs & hub pages. If you think that is bizarre check out the multiple threads on Evangers on Itchmoforums,consumer affairs & hub pages.

]]> By: slt http://www.petconnection.com/blog/2008/04/24/fda-requires-evangers-to-get-emergency-permit/comment-page-1/#comment-265730 slt Thu, 15 May 2008 00:14:59 +0000 http://www.petconnection.com/blog/2008/04/24/fda-requires-evangers-to-get-emergency-permit/#comment-265730 "...other than an isolated incidence involving an extortionist, most pets are happy on our products." Comment by Brenton Weaver — May 14, 2008 @ 1:06 pm Well that's a bizarre sounding allegation from a pet food company. “…other than an isolated incidence involving an extortionist, most pets are happy on our products.”

Comment by Brenton Weaver — May 14, 2008 @ 1:06 pm

Well that’s a bizarre sounding allegation from a pet food company.

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