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	<title>Comments on: Puppy millers: How CLUELESS can you be?</title>
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		<title>By: Gina Spadafori</title>
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		<dc:creator>Gina Spadafori</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 21 Sep 2008 13:45:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Jan ... what you just wrote underscores the point: There is NO SUCH THING as a &quot;reputable&quot; pet store that sells puppies. 

No REPUTABLE, ETHICAL and CARING breeder sells to a pet store or a broker. They insist on making their &lt;em&gt;own choices &lt;/em&gt;as to who gets their dogs and cats. 

When you buy from a puppy from a pet store, you are supporting puppy mills. Period. Your dog was &quot;saved&quot; but your purchase condemns thousands of other dogs just like him to short, brutal lives of misery. 

There is no other way around this fact, sorry.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jan &#8230; what you just wrote underscores the point: There is NO SUCH THING as a &#8220;reputable&#8221; pet store that sells puppies. </p>
<p>No REPUTABLE, ETHICAL and CARING breeder sells to a pet store or a broker. They insist on making their <em>own choices </em>as to who gets their dogs and cats. </p>
<p>When you buy from a puppy from a pet store, you are supporting puppy mills. Period. Your dog was &#8220;saved&#8221; but your purchase condemns thousands of other dogs just like him to short, brutal lives of misery. </p>
<p>There is no other way around this fact, sorry.</p>
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		<title>By: Jan Hanks</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jan Hanks</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 21 Sep 2008 13:23:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I am horrified to see the breeder of my beloved Shih Tzu listed as the possible owner of one of these disgraceful establishments.  I bought him from a local reputable pet store eight years ago and can only hoped that he was &quot;saved&quot;.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I am horrified to see the breeder of my beloved Shih Tzu listed as the possible owner of one of these disgraceful establishments.  I bought him from a local reputable pet store eight years ago and can only hoped that he was &#8220;saved&#8221;.</p>
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		<title>By: glock</title>
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		<dc:creator>glock</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 07 Apr 2008 17:17:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Kelly-

Here is a listing of USDA kennels in Louisana.  These are the probable puppy mills of record.  There may be others in state:

Louisiana	13624	72-A-0162	Bertrand, Blake And Celina		4178 Vidrine Rd	Ville Platte	70586	
Louisiana	33591	72-A-0158	Butler, Allen		P O Box 626	Winnsboro	71295	
Louisiana	17390	72-A-0139	Button, Carolyn		168 Knocker Rd	Ferriday	71334	
Louisiana	37184	72-A-0163	Cox, James		3060 Bridges Rd	Athens	71003	
Louisiana	5760	72-A-0115	Crowell, Eric	Hans Critter	100 Keith Drive	Slidell	70461	
Louisiana	21538	72-A-0149	Dronet, Marilyn	Wild Woods Rabbitry	24418 Verneuil Lane	Ponchatoula	70454	
Louisiana	38203	72-A-0164	Fisher, John	Fisher Small Pets	62155 Pools Bluff Rd	Bogalusa	70427	
Louisiana	20208	72-A-0159	La Fleur, Mike		3103 Tiger Ln	Ville Platte	70586	
Louisiana	18326	72-A-0143	Marshall, Ruth	Sweet N Sassy	812 Fairfield	Dry Prong	71423	
Louisiana	28362	72-A-0160	Maxwell, Roger		2514 Walker Rd	Jonesboro	71251	
Louisiana	4778	72-A-0023	Pesson Pasture Game Ranch		708 E School St	Lake Charles	70605	
Louisiana	11154	72-A-0130	Tison, Barbara	B J Terriers	P. O. Box 903	Jena	71342	

Sorry about the line spacing.

You may want to check with your local SPCA about puppy mills in your area and how the SPCA is approaching the issue.

Also look at the ASPCA and HSUS websites about puppy mills and pet stores in general.

If you have a certain breed of dog, there may be a breed rescue in your area. (Look on internet for breed rescues)  They may also provide insight.

This is a very complicated issue that evokes alot of emotions and differing opinions. Again, find out what is happening in your area and take it from there.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Kelly-</p>
<p>Here is a listing of USDA kennels in Louisana.  These are the probable puppy mills of record.  There may be others in state:</p>
<p>Louisiana	13624	72-A-0162	Bertrand, Blake And Celina		4178 Vidrine Rd	Ville Platte	70586<br />
Louisiana	33591	72-A-0158	Butler, Allen		P O Box 626	Winnsboro	71295<br />
Louisiana	17390	72-A-0139	Button, Carolyn		168 Knocker Rd	Ferriday	71334<br />
Louisiana	37184	72-A-0163	Cox, James		3060 Bridges Rd	Athens	71003<br />
Louisiana	5760	72-A-0115	Crowell, Eric	Hans Critter	100 Keith Drive	Slidell	70461<br />
Louisiana	21538	72-A-0149	Dronet, Marilyn	Wild Woods Rabbitry	24418 Verneuil Lane	Ponchatoula	70454<br />
Louisiana	38203	72-A-0164	Fisher, John	Fisher Small Pets	62155 Pools Bluff Rd	Bogalusa	70427<br />
Louisiana	20208	72-A-0159	La Fleur, Mike		3103 Tiger Ln	Ville Platte	70586<br />
Louisiana	18326	72-A-0143	Marshall, Ruth	Sweet N Sassy	812 Fairfield	Dry Prong	71423<br />
Louisiana	28362	72-A-0160	Maxwell, Roger		2514 Walker Rd	Jonesboro	71251<br />
Louisiana	4778	72-A-0023	Pesson Pasture Game Ranch		708 E School St	Lake Charles	70605<br />
Louisiana	11154	72-A-0130	Tison, Barbara	B J Terriers	P. O. Box 903	Jena	71342	</p>
<p>Sorry about the line spacing.</p>
<p>You may want to check with your local SPCA about puppy mills in your area and how the SPCA is approaching the issue.</p>
<p>Also look at the ASPCA and HSUS websites about puppy mills and pet stores in general.</p>
<p>If you have a certain breed of dog, there may be a breed rescue in your area. (Look on internet for breed rescues)  They may also provide insight.</p>
<p>This is a very complicated issue that evokes alot of emotions and differing opinions. Again, find out what is happening in your area and take it from there.</p>
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		<title>By: Kelly</title>
		<link>http://www.petconnection.com/blog/2008/04/05/puppy-millers-how-clueless-can-you-be/comment-page-1/#comment-248591</link>
		<dc:creator>Kelly</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 07 Apr 2008 13:15:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I would like to know how to find out if there are puppy mills in my area.....North Louisiana.  And what I can do,,,how I can help,,,put these kinds of people out of business.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I would like to know how to find out if there are puppy mills in my area&#8230;..North Louisiana.  And what I can do,,,how I can help,,,put these kinds of people out of business.</p>
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		<title>By: nancy freedman-smith</title>
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		<dc:creator>nancy freedman-smith</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 06 Apr 2008 15:16:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi Pat,
Oh, the pet shop lady knew...it was a spiel that people &quot;buy&quot;. I have  to say, this particular  shop is so &quot;cute&quot; and the owners so nice, that it is hard even for me to digest. (almost)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Pat,<br />
Oh, the pet shop lady knew&#8230;it was a spiel that people &#8220;buy&#8221;. I have  to say, this particular  shop is so &#8220;cute&#8221; and the owners so nice, that it is hard even for me to digest. (almost)</p>
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		<title>By: The OTHER Pat</title>
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		<dc:creator>The OTHER Pat</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 06 Apr 2008 13:00:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I have to laugh whenever someone defends USDA kennels.  Um - folks - the &quot;A&quot; stands for &quot;Agriculture&quot;, which means the dogs are *livestock* rather than companion animals.

That little distinction  just never seems to occur to the pet shop owners and breeders who defend the practice, however.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I have to laugh whenever someone defends USDA kennels.  Um - folks - the &#8220;A&#8221; stands for &#8220;Agriculture&#8221;, which means the dogs are *livestock* rather than companion animals.</p>
<p>That little distinction  just never seems to occur to the pet shop owners and breeders who defend the practice, however.</p>
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		<title>By: catmom5</title>
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		<dc:creator>catmom5</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 06 Apr 2008 12:28:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Just wondering if there is any state in the country that makes puppy mills (and kitten mills) illegal? Where are the best states for animal protection? The worst? Might be interesting to find out . . .</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Just wondering if there is any state in the country that makes puppy mills (and kitten mills) illegal? Where are the best states for animal protection? The worst? Might be interesting to find out . . .</p>
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		<title>By: nancy freedman-smith</title>
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		<dc:creator>nancy freedman-smith</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 06 Apr 2008 10:49:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>When we had a big puppy mill shut down here in Buxton Maine  last August.  Over 250 dogs- and before the court case was settled -another   100 plus pups.    they kept about 15 different web sites for the different breeds and all appeared to be down home, small and cozy and caring.   It was disgusting.
Buyer beware.  The other day I had to stop into a local pet store that sells pups...long story, anyway, the woman behind the counter was carefully explaining that &quot;oh no it is not our pups that come from puppy mills, our pups are from USDAA approved kennels&quot;.  DUH!!!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>When we had a big puppy mill shut down here in Buxton Maine  last August.  Over 250 dogs- and before the court case was settled -another   100 plus pups.    they kept about 15 different web sites for the different breeds and all appeared to be down home, small and cozy and caring.   It was disgusting.<br />
Buyer beware.  The other day I had to stop into a local pet store that sells pups&#8230;long story, anyway, the woman behind the counter was carefully explaining that &#8220;oh no it is not our pups that come from puppy mills, our pups are from USDAA approved kennels&#8221;.  DUH!!!</p>
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		<title>By: JenniferJ</title>
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		<dc:creator>JenniferJ</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 05 Apr 2008 21:40:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>She could, and should, do an entire other episode on internet direct pet dealers. When extremists shout at me that if I did not breed, the folks would go to the shelter instead, I laugh.

Because with a paypal account or credit card, I could have a dozen purebred pups or ready to breed adults of most breeds on the way by sunset. No questions asked, no icky spay/neuter clauses, no conditions at all and all on open registration. For my breed, there are outfits that will sell you breeding trios!

If someone is determined to get a purebred dog, they will. And the slick internet site, with pics of the &quot;family&quot; cuddling their &quot;baby&quot; in the living room make it OK to by that puppy with the &quot;click here&quot; pay by credit card option. I am sure most readers here know damn well that most of the pictures are lifted illegally from other sites, it has happened to me.

Internet web-mills need to be shown for what they truly are. If the breeder does not insist that you come to meet them and require and provide references etc.. then all those pretty pictures are just window dressing for chicken coops and misery.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>She could, and should, do an entire other episode on internet direct pet dealers. When extremists shout at me that if I did not breed, the folks would go to the shelter instead, I laugh.</p>
<p>Because with a paypal account or credit card, I could have a dozen purebred pups or ready to breed adults of most breeds on the way by sunset. No questions asked, no icky spay/neuter clauses, no conditions at all and all on open registration. For my breed, there are outfits that will sell you breeding trios!</p>
<p>If someone is determined to get a purebred dog, they will. And the slick internet site, with pics of the &#8220;family&#8221; cuddling their &#8220;baby&#8221; in the living room make it OK to by that puppy with the &#8220;click here&#8221; pay by credit card option. I am sure most readers here know damn well that most of the pictures are lifted illegally from other sites, it has happened to me.</p>
<p>Internet web-mills need to be shown for what they truly are. If the breeder does not insist that you come to meet them and require and provide references etc.. then all those pretty pictures are just window dressing for chicken coops and misery.</p>
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		<title>By: The OTHER Pat</title>
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		<dc:creator>The OTHER Pat</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 05 Apr 2008 20:55:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The Internet has been a real mixed blessing where dogs are concerned.  On the one hand, the ability to share information, to pull diverse communities together (of fanciers of a given breed,  for example), to LEARN (I was a clicker trainer via information from the Internet LONG before most people even knew what a clicker was!) and to provide a ready resource to send people to when they have questions - all of these things have been beneficial to dogs - both individually, and in the collective - in uncountable ways.

But then there&#039;s the &quot;dark side&quot; - not the least of which the easy venue the Internet provides for these &quot;puppy farmers&quot; to market the product they&#039;re pushing.  And all of these &quot;puppy directories&quot; and &quot;breeder listings&quot; (the ones not associated with Parent Breed Clubs) are a part of that.  Someone wants a puppy of a certain breed?  Google is  more than happy to serve a veritable borgaschmord of breeders and &quot;breeder directories&quot; who want nothing more than your VISA card number and the address to ship the puppy to.

Let&#039;s hope Oprah&#039;s show at least gets people started asking a few more questions!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The Internet has been a real mixed blessing where dogs are concerned.  On the one hand, the ability to share information, to pull diverse communities together (of fanciers of a given breed,  for example), to LEARN (I was a clicker trainer via information from the Internet LONG before most people even knew what a clicker was!) and to provide a ready resource to send people to when they have questions - all of these things have been beneficial to dogs - both individually, and in the collective - in uncountable ways.</p>
<p>But then there&#8217;s the &#8220;dark side&#8221; - not the least of which the easy venue the Internet provides for these &#8220;puppy farmers&#8221; to market the product they&#8217;re pushing.  And all of these &#8220;puppy directories&#8221; and &#8220;breeder listings&#8221; (the ones not associated with Parent Breed Clubs) are a part of that.  Someone wants a puppy of a certain breed?  Google is  more than happy to serve a veritable borgaschmord of breeders and &#8220;breeder directories&#8221; who want nothing more than your VISA card number and the address to ship the puppy to.</p>
<p>Let&#8217;s hope Oprah&#8217;s show at least gets people started asking a few more questions!</p>
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