What you’re telling us, Takara, is that you feel no need to investigate the facts of something before forming your opinions on it—that there is no objective reality, only self-indulgent “opinion.”

That’s not the case, and it’s not how everyone else operates.

I don’t get it, I am making wrongful assumptions, I speak/type ideologically-driven nonsense,

You’re not basing or even attempting to base your opinions in facts. You’re deciding what the facts must be based on what you feel, rather than the other way around. That’s being ruled by ideology.

I lie when I say I’ve read all of the comments here and a bit of this website,

We know this because you ascribe opinions and positions to us which you would know that we do not hold, had you actually read all the comments or any significant portion of the rest of the website. That you continue to ascribe those positions to us means that either you are lying about having read all the comments, or you are simply completely unable to absorb information that contradicts your preconceived ideas. Which takes us back to the “ruled by ideology” thing.

& I am expending energy & resources by giving my opinion (when everyone else here is as well). I’m sure I missed something, so you can fill in the blanks amoungst yourselves. But I again disagree.

The reason what you’re doing is a waste of time and energy is because you’re not processing any information at all. You’re trying to contradict ideas based in facts and experiences, with Virtuous Ideas of what you think should be reality—that Breeding is Bad, that the Only Deserving Dog is a Shelter Dog, that neutering every single dog and cat in existence will somehow not result in the extinction of dogs and cats.

Saying “I disagree” with smug certainty but no facts, won’t cause anyone here to take you or your ideas seriously.

slt - I don’t know.

OTHER Pat - I think you should relax a bit.

Pet Connection - Seems like a site with good intentions.

Animals are up there with Politics & Religion to me, things I feel strongly about. I went wrong by acting if any of my opinions were fact, when what all of us think are just a point of view. I like to think mine is right and you like to think yours is right.

I don’t get it, I am making wrongful assumptions, I speak/type ideologically-driven nonsense, I lie when I say I’ve read all of the comments here and a bit of this website, & I am expending energy & resources by giving my opinion (when everyone else here is as well). I’m sure I missed something, so you can fill in the blanks amoungst yourselves. But I again disagree.

Have fun!

And I’m not a breeder, so not only am I not evil, but I also should feel no need to defend the idea of Responsible Breeders and Responsible Breeding.

There - Takara - have I got that right now?

Breeders, Puppy Mills, & Pet Shops.
I’m not saying that anyone here is one of the above. If you were defensive and were not one of those things, so be it. But that’s obviously what I was refering to.

If you’ve read anything on the site at all, you know that puppy millers and pet shops wouldn’t feel especially welcome here. So, evidence that you’ve read anything here except this one post, and skimmed the comments, remains lacking.

Then there’s the “a breeder is a breeder is a breeder” assumption: the belief that if one responsibly bred dog anywhere, ever, wound up in a shelter, that invalidates the whole idea of “responsbible breeding” and means that “responsible breeders” are exactly the same as people engaging in the mass production of puppies with an utter disregard for their fate.

And finally, there’s the assumption that the only people who would care about responsible breeders and their ability to responsibly breed dogs of the breeds we love—are breeders. That mere pet lovers couldn’t possibly care less about whether or not responsible breeders are able to continue breeding.

This is a mistaken assumption.

As is the assumption that disputing your ideologically-driven nonsense comes from “defensiveness.”

Breeders, Puppy Mills, & Pet Shops.
I’m not saying that anyone here is one of the above. If you were defensive and were not one of those things, so be it. But that’s obviously what I was refering to.

But if I was wrong, I apologize. It’s not like I was the only in this one to make a very inaccurate assumption by any means.

I feel like maybe you thought I was trying to offend someone.

“I guess you can’t help but get defensive when I say how I feel since it includes some of you. “

And which of us would that be? (Take care before you answer lest you betray some unfouded assumptions . . . . . )

That’s a respectable thing you do & I assumed that all of you did that if you claim to be responsible. It is the right thing to do if you are to allow your animal to reproduce. I know I’m not telling any of you anything you didn’t already know, but letting you know it is something I agree on.

I respect all of your opinions even though I still feel differently about certain things.

I guess you can’t help but get defensive when I say how I feel since it includes some of you. Why did I ever think it was a good idea to post such a thing on here? Not sure, but I tend to stand up for what I believe in. I do everything I can think of to try to help in my community and state to try to make this a more humane place for animals.

You ascribe to us opinions, ideas, and positions that no one here hold, things which we have expressed the exact opposite in the course of this comment thread and in other closely related discussions. If you’ve read this entire comment thread, and are still ascribing these things to us, one is forced to suspect that you are doing so deliberately—or else that you just can’t wrap your mind around information that contradicts your preconceptions.

“”But those are exeptions. Responsible breeders aren’t a significant source of dogs (or cats) in shelters. They’re barely even a trivial source.”“

GUESS WHAT!? I agree with that statement, but still think you are still contributing to it.

So, apparently you feel that even one dog from a responsible breeder due to the owner breaking the contract or the breeder having died, invalidates the whole idea of responsible breeding and means it needs to end.

How many “failures” on the part of the shelter system does it take, in your mind, to completely invalidate the idea of shelters, or the way they operate? Is four million a year enough?

(And no, I certainly wasn’t defending BYBs. I was speculating that Takara’s notions of “responsible breeders” being responsible for shelter deaths would kinda in a cross-eyed way make sense if she was mistaking the upper tier of BYBs for “responsible breeders.”)