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	<title>Comments on: Nature&#8217;s Variety reports illness from some Instinct products</title>
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		<title>By: Sandi K</title>
		<link>http://www.petconnection.com/blog/2008/03/11/natures-variety-reports-illness-from-some-instinct-products/comment-page-1/#comment-240776</link>
		<dc:creator>Sandi K</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 14 Mar 2008 02:45:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I agree Gina, I think it was very brave of him to do that.  Wish more would do the same but sometimes it takes someone to take the lead, per se.  I think there are still some unanswered questions but one thing I think I see is them recognizing they cant treat the consumer like they used to and the acknowledgment that one mistake can lead to huge problems for their company and for our pets.  He said they are working towards fixing the problem and fully admits they made a mistake.  I still am not happy with  a few things including the only notification to the public is on their website but he did imply they are looking into possible expanded consumer notification.  We will see....I just have visions of some poor dog still eating a bag of the bad food and having stool or vomiting issues and the owner not knowing why.  Sounds too similar to last year.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I agree Gina, I think it was very brave of him to do that.  Wish more would do the same but sometimes it takes someone to take the lead, per se.  I think there are still some unanswered questions but one thing I think I see is them recognizing they cant treat the consumer like they used to and the acknowledgment that one mistake can lead to huge problems for their company and for our pets.  He said they are working towards fixing the problem and fully admits they made a mistake.  I still am not happy with  a few things including the only notification to the public is on their website but he did imply they are looking into possible expanded consumer notification.  We will see&#8230;.I just have visions of some poor dog still eating a bag of the bad food and having stool or vomiting issues and the owner not knowing why.  Sounds too similar to last year.</p>
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		<title>By: Gina Spadafori</title>
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		<dc:creator>Gina Spadafori</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 13 Mar 2008 23:20:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The president of Nature&#039;s Variety is &lt;a href=http://itchmoforums.com/your-problems-with-pet-food/natures-variety-grain-fee-kibble-troublecanine-t3910.0.html;msg51358;topicseen#msg51358 rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;answering questions on the Itchmo forums.&lt;/a&gt; Strikes me as a stand-up move.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The president of Nature&#8217;s Variety is <a href=http://itchmoforums.com/your-problems-with-pet-food/natures-variety-grain-fee-kibble-troublecanine-t3910.0.html;msg51358;topicseen#msg51358 rel="nofollow">answering questions on the Itchmo forums.</a> Strikes me as a stand-up move.</p>
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		<title>By: Therese</title>
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		<dc:creator>Therese</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 13 Mar 2008 22:28:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The OTHER Pat, I updated The Pet Food List this morning with info from NV... 

http://thepetfoodlist.com/petfoods_pg2.htm</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The OTHER Pat, I updated The Pet Food List this morning with info from NV&#8230; </p>
<p><a href="http://thepetfoodlist.com/petfoods_pg2.htm" rel="nofollow">http://thepetfoodlist.com/petfoods_pg2.htm</a></p>
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		<title>By: The OTHER Pat</title>
		<link>http://www.petconnection.com/blog/2008/03/11/natures-variety-reports-illness-from-some-instinct-products/comment-page-1/#comment-240480</link>
		<dc:creator>The OTHER Pat</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 13 Mar 2008 00:07:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>From their Q&amp;A page:

&quot;The food passed our initial inspections, though it was near the high end of our target density range. Our previous manufacturer’s product was near the low end of the acceptable density range.&quot;

This is the problem with a specification that simply calls out a range rather than a target.  You can be anywhere in the range and not have anything &quot;officially&quot; wrong with the product.

But if you have a *target* (for example, smack dab in the middle of the range from low to high), now you start to ring the alarm bells when you deviate from that target - the farther the deviation, the more concerned the QC inspector should become.

No manufacturing process will ever hit a target dead on all the time - variability around a target is a fact of life.  The objective is to monitor that variability, and to know how much your process is varying, and how that affects your products&#039; critical characteristics, and to adjust accordingly.

Specifications that simply accept anything within a &quot;low to high&quot; range cannot do that.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>From their Q&amp;A page:</p>
<p>&#8220;The food passed our initial inspections, though it was near the high end of our target density range. Our previous manufacturer’s product was near the low end of the acceptable density range.&#8221;</p>
<p>This is the problem with a specification that simply calls out a range rather than a target.  You can be anywhere in the range and not have anything &#8220;officially&#8221; wrong with the product.</p>
<p>But if you have a *target* (for example, smack dab in the middle of the range from low to high), now you start to ring the alarm bells when you deviate from that target - the farther the deviation, the more concerned the QC inspector should become.</p>
<p>No manufacturing process will ever hit a target dead on all the time - variability around a target is a fact of life.  The objective is to monitor that variability, and to know how much your process is varying, and how that affects your products&#8217; critical characteristics, and to adjust accordingly.</p>
<p>Specifications that simply accept anything within a &#8220;low to high&#8221; range cannot do that.</p>
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		<title>By: Katie</title>
		<link>http://www.petconnection.com/blog/2008/03/11/natures-variety-reports-illness-from-some-instinct-products/comment-page-1/#comment-240472</link>
		<dc:creator>Katie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 12 Mar 2008 22:33:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sandi,
I totally agree with you. I almost bought this food as something to fall back on for my &quot;survivor&quot; dog who is now home fed. Being sick, the possibility of dehydration or pancreatitis could have killed her.

It saddens me that the PF companies didn&#039;t learn anything after the 2007 recall. QC and monitoring product and supply chain should be of utmost importance to them. Looks like business as usual.

Katie</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sandi,<br />
I totally agree with you. I almost bought this food as something to fall back on for my &#8220;survivor&#8221; dog who is now home fed. Being sick, the possibility of dehydration or pancreatitis could have killed her.</p>
<p>It saddens me that the PF companies didn&#8217;t learn anything after the 2007 recall. QC and monitoring product and supply chain should be of utmost importance to them. Looks like business as usual.</p>
<p>Katie</p>
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		<title>By: Sandi K</title>
		<link>http://www.petconnection.com/blog/2008/03/11/natures-variety-reports-illness-from-some-instinct-products/comment-page-1/#comment-240461</link>
		<dc:creator>Sandi K</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 12 Mar 2008 21:50:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well I have a few problems with how they did this.  In case some arent aware, not everyone has a computer nor does everyone know they should go to their pet food&#039;s website to find out if the food they are feeding this week is safe or not.  Nothing in the papers, nothing on CNN, we are finding out, lots of stores that sell this dont even know about the food issue.  So this leads to my next question.  What is the intent of putting this on their website?  Is it to get the food away from as many dogs as possible, like it should be?  Or is it to say see, we&#039;ve told people about it so in case someone complains that they didnt know, NV can say they posted the info....

What I hope is that there arent still dogs out there being fed this food and getting sick.  This reminds me of what happened with our kitty in Dec 2006.  Kept feeding her food and she kept vomiting.  We had no idea what was going on until 5 days after she died.  Now some say this isnt the same as the food doesnt have toxins in it.  But I can tell you that it doesnt take poison or toxins to make a pet deathly ill.  For those pets that are already compromised with health issues such as kidney problems, cancer, etc eating this food could be very detrimental to them.  

Now if you go on their site, they say this:

Q: If your kibble is made at a different facility, how do you guarantee product quality? 

A: In order to make our proprietary and innovative diets, we partner with high quality manufacturers that share our passion for safety and ingredient integrity. Our team is dedicated to developing and enforcing our quality control standards – including ingredient specifications, sourcing certifications, testing, and product safety. On-site inspections and continuous monitoring are some of the steps we take to insure product quality. You can be assured that our team is strongly committed to providing safe and nutritious foods for your special pets.


So this leads me to my next question, if they have such wonderful QC monitoring on site, why did this food make it past inspection?  Did they know it was a problem but sold it anyhow?  Did they not know it was a problem and if so, why, when they have such a strong committment to safe food?  

So what I see is another company that didnt learn anything from the 2007 pet food recalls  and an attempt at a stealth recall that has gone awry..they say they dont even know what caused the nutrient dense problem to occur, they THINK its having to do with the steam extractor....

Anyhow, need I say more?  Sorry for the long post.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well I have a few problems with how they did this.  In case some arent aware, not everyone has a computer nor does everyone know they should go to their pet food&#8217;s website to find out if the food they are feeding this week is safe or not.  Nothing in the papers, nothing on CNN, we are finding out, lots of stores that sell this dont even know about the food issue.  So this leads to my next question.  What is the intent of putting this on their website?  Is it to get the food away from as many dogs as possible, like it should be?  Or is it to say see, we&#8217;ve told people about it so in case someone complains that they didnt know, NV can say they posted the info&#8230;.</p>
<p>What I hope is that there arent still dogs out there being fed this food and getting sick.  This reminds me of what happened with our kitty in Dec 2006.  Kept feeding her food and she kept vomiting.  We had no idea what was going on until 5 days after she died.  Now some say this isnt the same as the food doesnt have toxins in it.  But I can tell you that it doesnt take poison or toxins to make a pet deathly ill.  For those pets that are already compromised with health issues such as kidney problems, cancer, etc eating this food could be very detrimental to them.  </p>
<p>Now if you go on their site, they say this:</p>
<p>Q: If your kibble is made at a different facility, how do you guarantee product quality? </p>
<p>A: In order to make our proprietary and innovative diets, we partner with high quality manufacturers that share our passion for safety and ingredient integrity. Our team is dedicated to developing and enforcing our quality control standards – including ingredient specifications, sourcing certifications, testing, and product safety. On-site inspections and continuous monitoring are some of the steps we take to insure product quality. You can be assured that our team is strongly committed to providing safe and nutritious foods for your special pets.</p>
<p>So this leads me to my next question, if they have such wonderful QC monitoring on site, why did this food make it past inspection?  Did they know it was a problem but sold it anyhow?  Did they not know it was a problem and if so, why, when they have such a strong committment to safe food?  </p>
<p>So what I see is another company that didnt learn anything from the 2007 pet food recalls  and an attempt at a stealth recall that has gone awry..they say they dont even know what caused the nutrient dense problem to occur, they THINK its having to do with the steam extractor&#8230;.</p>
<p>Anyhow, need I say more?  Sorry for the long post.</p>
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		<title>By: Nadine L.</title>
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		<dc:creator>Nadine L.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 12 Mar 2008 21:50:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Two weeks ago started my two dogs on a small bag of Nature&#039;s Variety Instinct Duck &amp; Turkey Formula which they finished. They clamored over one another to get to their food bowls to dine on this (very-expensive-ouch) food, so I decided to buy the biggest bag they make. Since opening this new bag, neither dog will eat it.  Not touch it.  That gave me immediate chills.  Then...I hear about this brand&#039;s Chicken formula being recalled with a code date of Jan. 3, 2009, just three days off the code date on our new bag of Duck formula of Dec. 31, 2008.  Being very uncomfortable with the dogs refusing to eat the food and the close proximity of dates, I wrote to Nature&#039;s Variety. I was informed via an email form letter that I can return the bag to the store where purchased for a full refund. We are runnnning back to the store, as you will never, ever hear me utter the words, &quot;If he gets hungry enough, he&#039;ll eat it.&quot;    

What can we possibly feed our dogs--and ourselves--in confidence?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Two weeks ago started my two dogs on a small bag of Nature&#8217;s Variety Instinct Duck &amp; Turkey Formula which they finished. They clamored over one another to get to their food bowls to dine on this (very-expensive-ouch) food, so I decided to buy the biggest bag they make. Since opening this new bag, neither dog will eat it.  Not touch it.  That gave me immediate chills.  Then&#8230;I hear about this brand&#8217;s Chicken formula being recalled with a code date of Jan. 3, 2009, just three days off the code date on our new bag of Duck formula of Dec. 31, 2008.  Being very uncomfortable with the dogs refusing to eat the food and the close proximity of dates, I wrote to Nature&#8217;s Variety. I was informed via an email form letter that I can return the bag to the store where purchased for a full refund. We are runnnning back to the store, as you will never, ever hear me utter the words, &#8220;If he gets hungry enough, he&#8217;ll eat it.&#8221;    </p>
<p>What can we possibly feed our dogs&#8212;and ourselves&#8212;in confidence?</p>
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		<title>By: Pai</title>
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		<dc:creator>Pai</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 12 Mar 2008 19:34:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Then vagueness of their announcement irks me too. Seems shady.

I only just the other day bought chicken Instinct for my dog (not from the bad batch though, thank goodness), so seeing this story really kind of turns me off from continuing to buy it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Then vagueness of their announcement irks me too. Seems shady.</p>
<p>I only just the other day bought chicken Instinct for my dog (not from the bad batch though, thank goodness), so seeing this story really kind of turns me off from continuing to buy it.</p>
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		<title>By: The OTHER Pat</title>
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		<dc:creator>The OTHER Pat</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 11 Mar 2008 22:06:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I give them kudos for reporting the adverse effects on their website in a reasonably timely manner.  However, I dislike their reluctance to name who the &quot;new manufacturer&quot; is.  I also wonder why they didn&#039;t have an onsite inspector to catch and report this variability when it occurred (particularly since this was a new manufacturing site).

Their current manufacturer appears on thepetfoodlist website.  I wonder if Therese would have any luck getting them to name the &quot;new&quot; manufacturer?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I give them kudos for reporting the adverse effects on their website in a reasonably timely manner.  However, I dislike their reluctance to name who the &#8220;new manufacturer&#8221; is.  I also wonder why they didn&#8217;t have an onsite inspector to catch and report this variability when it occurred (particularly since this was a new manufacturing site).</p>
<p>Their current manufacturer appears on thepetfoodlist website.  I wonder if Therese would have any luck getting them to name the &#8220;new&#8221; manufacturer?</p>
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