Comments on: Study says killer combination turned up in pet food before 2007 recall http://www.petconnection.com/blog/2008/03/04/killer-combination/ The Web blog of the Pet Connection, a pet-care feature syndicated internationally by Universal Press. Fri, 25 Jul 2008 00:14:22 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.5.1 By: The OTHER Pat http://www.petconnection.com/blog/2008/03/04/killer-combination/#comment-238455 The OTHER Pat Thu, 06 Mar 2008 16:38:45 +0000 http://www.petconnection.com/blog/2008/03/04/study-says-killer-combination-turned-up-in-pet-food-before-2007-recall/#comment-238455 The morphology of crystal formation varies widely depending on the specifics of the environment which crystals form in. My take on the U of Guelph findings was that they discovered that - specifically within the kind of environment present within (cat)urine - the combination of melamine and cyanuric acid would form a crystal whose morphology was those big honkin' wheels that got stuck in (and clogged up) all the tiny little passages within the kidney, thus causing damage and shutdown. I'm not sure they were claiming to be the first to "discover" that melamine and cyanuric acid combined in a crystalline form. Rather, my impression was that they found that two chemicals that you would never expect to ever even FIND themselves co-existing in cat urine caused some pretty big problems when that unlikely event did - in fact - come to pass. The morphology of crystal formation varies widely depending on the specifics of the environment which crystals form in. My take on the U of Guelph findings was that they discovered that - specifically within the kind of environment present within (cat)urine - the combination of melamine and cyanuric acid would form a crystal whose morphology was those big honkin’ wheels that got stuck in (and clogged up) all the tiny little passages within the kidney, thus causing damage and shutdown. I’m not sure they were claiming to be the first to “discover” that melamine and cyanuric acid combined in a crystalline form. Rather, my impression was that they found that two chemicals that you would never expect to ever even FIND themselves co-existing in cat urine caused some pretty big problems when that unlikely event did - in fact - come to pass.

]]> By: Ann H http://www.petconnection.com/blog/2008/03/04/killer-combination/#comment-238422 Ann H Thu, 06 Mar 2008 15:31:02 +0000 http://www.petconnection.com/blog/2008/03/04/study-says-killer-combination-turned-up-in-pet-food-before-2007-recall/#comment-238422 The missing piece of this study.. testing the 2004 pet food samples for melamine, cyanuric acid and melamine cyanurate. Why hasn't that been done too? Pet food companies typically retain "library" samples of their batches of pet foods. Did they request samples from the 2004 pet foods to be tested for melamine, cyanuric acid or melamine cyanurate? It seems that would bring a scientific solid bottom line to your study to have that confirmation of the 2004 pet food ingredients/contaminants included. It's a question that begs to be answered based on validating the findings and correlation of 2004 & 2007 pet food recalls. The missing piece of this study.. testing the 2004 pet food samples for melamine, cyanuric acid and melamine cyanurate.

Why hasn’t that been done too?

Pet food companies typically retain “library” samples of their batches of pet foods.

Did they request samples from the 2004 pet foods to be tested for melamine, cyanuric acid or melamine cyanurate?

It seems that would bring a scientific solid bottom line to your study to have that confirmation of the 2004 pet food ingredients/contaminants included.

It’s a question that begs to be answered based on validating the findings and correlation of 2004 & 2007 pet food recalls.

]]> By: Carol V http://www.petconnection.com/blog/2008/03/04/killer-combination/#comment-238417 Carol V Thu, 06 Mar 2008 14:56:22 +0000 http://www.petconnection.com/blog/2008/03/04/study-says-killer-combination-turned-up-in-pet-food-before-2007-recall/#comment-238417 I wonder if there is any correlation with the "flame retardants" in cat food--- http://www.petconnection.com/blog/2007/08/15/report-suggests-connection-between-flame-retardant-feline-disease/ and melamine cyanurate?? Now that I know melamine and CA combo is a flame retardant!(from my second link in my last post) I wonder if there is any correlation with the “flame retardants” in cat food—-

http://www.petconnection.com/b.....e-disease/

and melamine cyanurate?? Now that I know melamine and CA combo is a flame retardant!(from my second link in my last post)

]]> By: Carol V http://www.petconnection.com/blog/2008/03/04/killer-combination/#comment-238368 Carol V Thu, 06 Mar 2008 12:11:48 +0000 http://www.petconnection.com/blog/2008/03/04/study-says-killer-combination-turned-up-in-pet-food-before-2007-recall/#comment-238368 It appears that the "deadly combo" that now we know showed up in the 2004 recall is known to form a salt----this doesn't appear to be new news and I had thought that the Univ of Guelph had "breaking" news last May that these two chemicals formed crystals but in my ever going search for the truth---I found info that this may not be new news--- here's one website--melamine cyanurate appears to be that "salt"--wonder if this looks the same as what is in the kidneys? I pasted U of Guelph link first--- http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2007/05/070501105514.htm http://www.specialchem4polymers.com/tc/Melamine-Flame-Retardants/index.aspx?id=4004 ????? It appears that the “deadly combo” that now we know showed up in the 2004 recall is known to form a salt——this doesn’t appear to be new news and I had thought that the Univ of Guelph had “breaking” news last May that these two chemicals formed crystals but in my ever going search for the truth—-I found info that this may not be new news—- here’s one website—melamine cyanurate appears to be that “salt”—wonder if this looks the same as what is in the kidneys? I pasted U of Guelph link first—-

http://www.sciencedaily.com/re.....105514.htm
http://www.specialchem4polymer.....px?id=4004

?????

]]> By: Colorado Transplant http://www.petconnection.com/blog/2008/03/04/killer-combination/#comment-238143 Colorado Transplant Wed, 05 Mar 2008 23:15:27 +0000 http://www.petconnection.com/blog/2008/03/04/study-says-killer-combination-turned-up-in-pet-food-before-2007-recall/#comment-238143 My cat recently was operated on because she had cancer of the mamary gland which the doctor removed. She ate Nutro cuts and gravy packages, getting sick with diarrhea that had blood in it, until I heard about the recall. My boy cat got treated for hyperthyroidism and I kept feeding him Nutro cuts and gravy until the recall in 2007. At least the pet food industry sans Menu Foods appears to be healthy! My cat recently was operated on because she had cancer of the mamary gland which the doctor removed.

She ate Nutro cuts and gravy packages, getting sick with diarrhea that had blood in it, until I heard about the recall.

My boy cat got treated for hyperthyroidism and I kept feeding him Nutro cuts and gravy until the recall in 2007.

At least the pet food industry sans Menu Foods appears to be healthy!

]]> By: gotchapfi http://www.petconnection.com/blog/2008/03/04/killer-combination/#comment-238134 gotchapfi Wed, 05 Mar 2008 22:43:43 +0000 http://www.petconnection.com/blog/2008/03/04/study-says-killer-combination-turned-up-in-pet-food-before-2007-recall/#comment-238134 The Pet Food Industry and the PFI knew this combo was deadly, knew, all this time and did not test for the contaminant, let it happen again, this _was_ the next time. Arrogant much? No wonder they had the cover up part down pat, practice. The Pet Food Industry and the PFI knew this combo was deadly, knew, all this time and did not test for the contaminant, let it happen again, this _was_ the next time.

Arrogant much?
No wonder they had the cover up part down pat, practice.

]]> By: 2CatMom http://www.petconnection.com/blog/2008/03/04/killer-combination/#comment-238123 2CatMom Wed, 05 Mar 2008 22:12:26 +0000 http://www.petconnection.com/blog/2008/03/04/study-says-killer-combination-turned-up-in-pet-food-before-2007-recall/#comment-238123 I also wonder what effect feeding our animals cancerous parts of animals, roadkill, and possible euthanized animals has had on them. Maybe its just me, but I don't remember many dogs/cats with cancer when I was growing up. Could be that because our pets are living longer that the cancer increases with age, but it could also be the cummulative effect of feeding our animals poison over the years. I also wonder what effect feeding our animals cancerous parts of animals, roadkill, and possible euthanized animals has had on them. Maybe its just me, but I don’t remember many dogs/cats with cancer when I was growing up. Could be that because our pets are living longer that the cancer increases with age, but it could also be the cummulative effect of feeding our animals poison over the years.

]]> By: jolynn http://www.petconnection.com/blog/2008/03/04/killer-combination/#comment-238113 jolynn Wed, 05 Mar 2008 22:03:25 +0000 http://www.petconnection.com/blog/2008/03/04/study-says-killer-combination-turned-up-in-pet-food-before-2007-recall/#comment-238113 im lost, my beloved was put down mar 2nd 2007 from eating the iamms food. But due to the fact he already had kidney diease, iamms says theres nonthing they will do nor can do for me for a settlement. Because I didnt get test's done before I put him down. I had no other choice and he was at a deathly ill state. Nor did we get an autopsy, he was cremated. My only pet I ever owned, this just brings tears to my eyes and grief all over again. I was mad and emailed them a letter, along with dijon's last home video taken prio to his death, chirpy and cheey playful. Taken on xmas day and he died mar 2nd 2007 you are all welcomed to view his video. Just copy and paste into your browser. Iamms says I have no evidence to his kidney levels were high due to the contaminated food, and yes thats true cause no tests were done, I never even knew about the news till it was released on tv in mid march, he was put down mar 2nd 2007. We will always miss you my little dijon the poodle, momma is at lost and sorry for not being able to fight for you. Heres hi s small video clip http://i88.photobucket.com/albums/k172/photos7777/?action=view&current=phone064.flv im lost, my beloved was put down mar 2nd 2007 from eating the iamms food. But due to the fact he already had kidney diease, iamms says theres nonthing they will do nor can do for me for a settlement. Because I didnt get test’s done before I put him down. I had no other choice and he was at a deathly ill state. Nor did we get an autopsy, he was cremated. My only pet I ever owned, this just brings tears to my eyes and grief all over again. I was mad and emailed them a letter, along with dijon’s last home video taken prio to his death, chirpy and cheey playful. Taken on xmas day and he died mar 2nd 2007 you are all welcomed to view his video. Just copy and paste into your browser. Iamms says I have no evidence to his kidney levels were high due to the contaminated food, and yes thats true cause no tests were done, I never even knew about the news till it was released on tv in mid march, he was put down mar 2nd 2007. We will always miss you my little dijon the poodle, momma is at lost and sorry for not being able to fight for you. Heres hi s small video clip

http://i88.photobucket.com/alb.....one064.flv

]]> By: 5CatMom http://www.petconnection.com/blog/2008/03/04/killer-combination/#comment-238110 5CatMom Wed, 05 Mar 2008 21:50:07 +0000 http://www.petconnection.com/blog/2008/03/04/study-says-killer-combination-turned-up-in-pet-food-before-2007-recall/#comment-238110 My Great-Grandmother, Grandmother, and Mother all had cats for many, many years. Their kitties lived long and healthy lives. For sure, they didn't die too young of kidney disease and cancer like so many do nowadays. My Great-Grandmother, Grandmother, and Mother all had cats for many, many years. Their kitties lived long and healthy lives. For sure, they didn’t die too young of kidney disease and cancer like so many do nowadays.

]]> By: Colorado Transplant http://www.petconnection.com/blog/2008/03/04/killer-combination/#comment-238091 Colorado Transplant Wed, 05 Mar 2008 21:23:21 +0000 http://www.petconnection.com/blog/2008/03/04/study-says-killer-combination-turned-up-in-pet-food-before-2007-recall/#comment-238091 My cats wouldn't eat any of the fish sticks, either. I did not buy them again. I used to go to Gloucester and smell the fish plant, Gortons. I returned for the first time in 20 years last summer and no fish smell. Did it go to China? Didn't miss the odor, though. I could then smell the fresh sea air. My cats wouldn’t eat any of the fish sticks, either. I did not buy them again.

I used to go to Gloucester and smell the fish plant, Gortons. I returned for the first time in 20 years last summer and no fish smell. Did it go to China? Didn’t miss the odor, though. I could then smell the fresh sea air.

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