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	<title>Comments on: Reflections on the Los Angeles pet sterilization law</title>
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		<title>By: Lis</title>
		<link>http://www.petconnection.com/blog/2008/02/26/reflections-on-the-los-angeles-pet-sterilization-law/comment-page-1/#comment-248805</link>
		<dc:creator>Lis</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 08 Apr 2008 15:44:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m not Christie, but I&#039;ll toss in my own answers.

Lauren, the small-scale, responsible breeders aren&#039;t &quot;professionals&quot;; they are people with an expensive hobby. Just ask the IRS.:) The word you&#039;re looking for is &lt;i&gt;ethical&lt;/i&gt;. &quot;Professional&quot; in this context is normally used to describe people who are making a living at it--and while responsible breeding can be made to sort of pay for itself, if you&#039;re careful, it doesn&#039;t support anyone on its proceeds.

The &quot;designer breeds&quot; are not &lt;i&gt;hybrids&lt;/i&gt;. They&#039;re ordinary mixed breeds. Ethical, responsible breeding of mixes is certtainly possible, but rarely to be found upon this earth. Genuine hybrid dogs--dog/wolf mixes, for instance--are a really bad idea, and no, responsible breeding of them is &lt;i&gt;not&lt;/i&gt; possible.

Four months is not horrifically early, for a small-breed dog who is intended as a family companion. It&#039;s too young to speuter large breed dogs; it&#039;s too young to speuter a dog who will/may compete in agility, schutzhund, disc dog; it&#039;s under the minimum age for deciding if a dog is suitable for showing, service dog training, police dog training, or for a working farm dog. And if they &lt;i&gt;do&lt;/i&gt; mature to be suitable for those things, you want to be able to breed them--or you don&#039;t have your next generation.

In short, four months is not too young for a loving owner to make that choice for a family pet with no job except to be loved. It&#039;s not too young for shelter dogs to be speutered before they go out the door, so that they can&#039;t contribute to another generation of pups who will be at high risk of becoming shelter inmates themselves. It&#039;s far too young for big breed who reach their full growth late, and too young for any dog who will be a real working dog at almost &lt;i&gt;anything&lt;/i&gt;.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m not Christie, but I&#8217;ll toss in my own answers.</p>
<p>Lauren, the small-scale, responsible breeders aren&#8217;t &#8220;professionals&#8221;; they are people with an expensive hobby. Just ask the IRS.:) The word you&#8217;re looking for is <i>ethical</i>. &#8220;Professional&#8221; in this context is normally used to describe people who are making a living at it&#8212;and while responsible breeding can be made to sort of pay for itself, if you&#8217;re careful, it doesn&#8217;t support anyone on its proceeds.</p>
<p>The &#8220;designer breeds&#8221; are not <i>hybrids</i>. They&#8217;re ordinary mixed breeds. Ethical, responsible breeding of mixes is certtainly possible, but rarely to be found upon this earth. Genuine hybrid dogs&#8212;dog/wolf mixes, for instance&#8212;are a really bad idea, and no, responsible breeding of them is <i>not</i> possible.</p>
<p>Four months is not horrifically early, for a small-breed dog who is intended as a family companion. It&#8217;s too young to speuter large breed dogs; it&#8217;s too young to speuter a dog who will/may compete in agility, schutzhund, disc dog; it&#8217;s under the minimum age for deciding if a dog is suitable for showing, service dog training, police dog training, or for a working farm dog. And if they <i>do</i> mature to be suitable for those things, you want to be able to breed them&#8212;or you don&#8217;t have your next generation.</p>
<p>In short, four months is not too young for a loving owner to make that choice for a family pet with no job except to be loved. It&#8217;s not too young for shelter dogs to be speutered before they go out the door, so that they can&#8217;t contribute to another generation of pups who will be at high risk of becoming shelter inmates themselves. It&#8217;s far too young for big breed who reach their full growth late, and too young for any dog who will be a real working dog at almost <i>anything</i>.</p>
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		<title>By: The OTHER Pat</title>
		<link>http://www.petconnection.com/blog/2008/02/26/reflections-on-the-los-angeles-pet-sterilization-law/comment-page-1/#comment-248803</link>
		<dc:creator>The OTHER Pat</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 08 Apr 2008 15:30:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>When AKC started their mandatory DNA testing for Frequently Used Sires which caused the puppy farmers to start exiting the registry in droves, they started creating their own registries with lots of marketing gimmicks to go along with them in order to pull in an unsuspecting public.  One of the marketing ploys was to start to refer to themselves as &quot;professional breeders&quot; rather than &quot;commercial breeders&quot;.  The word &quot;professional&quot; didn&#039;t have the same kind of negative emotional connotations as &quot;commercial&quot;, and was - besides - a nice counterbalance to the term &quot;Responsible&quot; which a lot of us were using to describe the small-scale hobby breeders who are doing it right.

In this case, however, the term &quot;professional&quot; implies one who is making one&#039;s living from the activity, and I can assure you that it is difficult if not impossible to make a living from the breeding of dogs unless you are cutting corners and treating dogs as livestock en-masse instead of the cherished individuals they deserve to be.

So remember - when you see the term &quot;professional&quot; used in connection with &quot;dog breeder&quot;, it describes someone who makes their living off of the backs of dogs.  And no dog deserves that.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>When AKC started their mandatory DNA testing for Frequently Used Sires which caused the puppy farmers to start exiting the registry in droves, they started creating their own registries with lots of marketing gimmicks to go along with them in order to pull in an unsuspecting public.  One of the marketing ploys was to start to refer to themselves as &#8220;professional breeders&#8221; rather than &#8220;commercial breeders&#8221;.  The word &#8220;professional&#8221; didn&#8217;t have the same kind of negative emotional connotations as &#8220;commercial&#8221;, and was - besides - a nice counterbalance to the term &#8220;Responsible&#8221; which a lot of us were using to describe the small-scale hobby breeders who are doing it right.</p>
<p>In this case, however, the term &#8220;professional&#8221; implies one who is making one&#8217;s living from the activity, and I can assure you that it is difficult if not impossible to make a living from the breeding of dogs unless you are cutting corners and treating dogs as livestock en-masse instead of the cherished individuals they deserve to be.</p>
<p>So remember - when you see the term &#8220;professional&#8221; used in connection with &#8220;dog breeder&#8221;, it describes someone who makes their living off of the backs of dogs.  And no dog deserves that.</p>
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		<title>By: Lauren Phillips</title>
		<link>http://www.petconnection.com/blog/2008/02/26/reflections-on-the-los-angeles-pet-sterilization-law/comment-page-1/#comment-248793</link>
		<dc:creator>Lauren Phillips</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 08 Apr 2008 14:49:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ms Keith, I&#039;ve really started to enjoy your blogs. But my question for you is, aren&#039;t professional breeders the ones who are smaller scale and responsible? Thats how I have always grouped them. The ones dedicated to preserveing and bettering their breed in my opinion are the ones that should be called professionals. So in this situation, &quot;professional breeders&quot; are the ones with rows and rows of crates and cages with hundreds of dogs? Not recieving the love they deserve? ACK! Places like that shouldn&#039;t exist in the first place! I have two more questions for you. How do you feel about the hyrid dog breeding? and do you think 4 months is too early to fix a dog?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ms Keith, I&#8217;ve really started to enjoy your blogs. But my question for you is, aren&#8217;t professional breeders the ones who are smaller scale and responsible? Thats how I have always grouped them. The ones dedicated to preserveing and bettering their breed in my opinion are the ones that should be called professionals. So in this situation, &#8220;professional breeders&#8221; are the ones with rows and rows of crates and cages with hundreds of dogs? Not recieving the love they deserve? ACK! Places like that shouldn&#8217;t exist in the first place! I have two more questions for you. How do you feel about the hyrid dog breeding? and do you think 4 months is too early to fix a dog?</p>
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		<title>By: CMcMahon</title>
		<link>http://www.petconnection.com/blog/2008/02/26/reflections-on-the-los-angeles-pet-sterilization-law/comment-page-1/#comment-244387</link>
		<dc:creator>CMcMahon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 27 Mar 2008 04:34:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>http://www.caninesports.com/SpayNeuter.html
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		<title>By: CMcMahon</title>
		<link>http://www.petconnection.com/blog/2008/02/26/reflections-on-the-los-angeles-pet-sterilization-law/comment-page-1/#comment-244386</link>
		<dc:creator>CMcMahon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 27 Mar 2008 04:33:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I could not believe it. Screw Los Angeles, I can&#039;t wait to get the hell out of this place. A bunch of money hungry ignorant people. What is wrong with these PETA freaks. Owning a pet is cruelty to animals?  who thinks of this stuff. I can&#039;t have kids so I have a dog instead. I should have the right to make decisions that affect the health of that dog without the government being involved. I agree with Nadine let the stupid people who signed this crap get sterilized. That way we can at least know they won&#039;t be reproducing their stupidity.

There is tons of research on the dangers to dogs when neutering or spaying too early. 
Here is a great article, please read it and help educate your friends. Maybe we can hope for a repeal of this ridiculous decision. 

So is the city going to reimburse us for vet bills when our dogs get cancer or have hip or knee problems. I think not. 
I am so disgusted.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I could not believe it. Screw Los Angeles, I can&#8217;t wait to get the hell out of this place. A bunch of money hungry ignorant people. What is wrong with these PETA freaks. Owning a pet is cruelty to animals?  who thinks of this stuff. I can&#8217;t have kids so I have a dog instead. I should have the right to make decisions that affect the health of that dog without the government being involved. I agree with Nadine let the stupid people who signed this crap get sterilized. That way we can at least know they won&#8217;t be reproducing their stupidity.</p>
<p>There is tons of research on the dangers to dogs when neutering or spaying too early.<br />
Here is a great article, please read it and help educate your friends. Maybe we can hope for a repeal of this ridiculous decision. </p>
<p>So is the city going to reimburse us for vet bills when our dogs get cancer or have hip or knee problems. I think not.<br />
I am so disgusted.</p>
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		<title>By: M Clark</title>
		<link>http://www.petconnection.com/blog/2008/02/26/reflections-on-the-los-angeles-pet-sterilization-law/comment-page-1/#comment-244073</link>
		<dc:creator>M Clark</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 25 Mar 2008 22:35:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The exemptions in these laws for breeders are the equivalent of requiring to prove your 5 year old child has a college degree or it will be sterilized. One does not know by 4 months old if a dog is good enough to be a police dog, service dog, show dog, farm dog. Larger dogs must also be tested for hip dysplasia at 18 months before deciding to breed them or use them for work. So essentially, bye-bye doggie. Just what HSUS and PETA want. No more owned animals, no more animal enslavement. Wonder how much money under the guise of &quot;friends of the mayor&quot; donated to get this bill passed came from these two sources. Yes, the wonderful PETA with a 97% kill rate.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The exemptions in these laws for breeders are the equivalent of requiring to prove your 5 year old child has a college degree or it will be sterilized. One does not know by 4 months old if a dog is good enough to be a police dog, service dog, show dog, farm dog. Larger dogs must also be tested for hip dysplasia at 18 months before deciding to breed them or use them for work. So essentially, bye-bye doggie. Just what HSUS and PETA want. No more owned animals, no more animal enslavement. Wonder how much money under the guise of &#8220;friends of the mayor&#8221; donated to get this bill passed came from these two sources. Yes, the wonderful PETA with a 97% kill rate.</p>
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		<title>By: Nadine L.</title>
		<link>http://www.petconnection.com/blog/2008/02/26/reflections-on-the-los-angeles-pet-sterilization-law/comment-page-1/#comment-236241</link>
		<dc:creator>Nadine L.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 01 Mar 2008 20:52:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hmm.  Do I detect a strong correlation between the so-called &quot;compassionate act&quot; of Physician Assisted Suicide and being a pet in its last days at that &quot;nice, caring&quot; pound---the one that keeps the animals from suffering a &#039;loveless life on the run&#039; through &quot;kind euthanization?&quot;  What are we doing to our beautiful world?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hmm.  Do I detect a strong correlation between the so-called &#8220;compassionate act&#8221; of Physician Assisted Suicide and being a pet in its last days at that &#8220;nice, caring&#8221; pound&#8212;-the one that keeps the animals from suffering a &#8216;loveless life on the run&#8217; through &#8220;kind euthanization?&#8221;  What are we doing to our beautiful world?</p>
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		<title>By: Marcy</title>
		<link>http://www.petconnection.com/blog/2008/02/26/reflections-on-the-los-angeles-pet-sterilization-law/comment-page-1/#comment-236231</link>
		<dc:creator>Marcy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 01 Mar 2008 20:15:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>So, what’s next for these brilliant and trendsetting L.A. lawmakers, human sterilization at birth for human population control? 

The human control freaks who signed on to this vile and malicious law ought to be sterilized at the same time as the animals in order to eliminate our distress over future breeding of this kind of brain.

Comment by Nadine L. — February 26, 2008 @ 5:44 pm 

Actually Nadine, what they are trying to put through is Physician Assisted Suicide, to get rid of people before they cost our medical system too much money.  All under the guise of &quot;compassion.&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>So, what’s next for these brilliant and trendsetting L.A. lawmakers, human sterilization at birth for human population control? </p>
<p>The human control freaks who signed on to this vile and malicious law ought to be sterilized at the same time as the animals in order to eliminate our distress over future breeding of this kind of brain.</p>
<p>Comment by Nadine L. — February 26, 2008 @ 5:44 pm </p>
<p>Actually Nadine, what they are trying to put through is Physician Assisted Suicide, to get rid of people before they cost our medical system too much money.  All under the guise of &#8220;compassion.&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: The OTHER Pat</title>
		<link>http://www.petconnection.com/blog/2008/02/26/reflections-on-the-los-angeles-pet-sterilization-law/comment-page-1/#comment-235320</link>
		<dc:creator>The OTHER Pat</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 29 Feb 2008 00:00:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>And for any of the readers here who are unfamiliar with the significance of the reference to the Hunte Corporation:

http://www.prisonersofgreed.org/Broker.html</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>And for any of the readers here who are unfamiliar with the significance of the reference to the Hunte Corporation:</p>
<p><a href="http://www.prisonersofgreed.org/Broker.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.prisonersofgreed.org/Broker.html</a></p>
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		<title>By: Christie Keith</title>
		<link>http://www.petconnection.com/blog/2008/02/26/reflections-on-the-los-angeles-pet-sterilization-law/comment-page-1/#comment-235261</link>
		<dc:creator>Christie Keith</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 28 Feb 2008 20:52:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;This isn’t an “enforcement problem”. It’s collateral damage...&quot;

&quot;It’s the “eliminate the competition” act for puppymillers. Hunte Corporation must LOVE mandatory sterilization laws.&quot;

Million dollar soundbites, kids.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;This isn’t an “enforcement problem”. It’s collateral damage&#8230;&#8221;</p>
<p>&#8220;It’s the “eliminate the competition” act for puppymillers. Hunte Corporation must LOVE mandatory sterilization laws.&#8221;</p>
<p>Million dollar soundbites, kids.</p>
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