Comments on: Why Tammy Grimes was right to take the dog, and the court was right to find her guilty http://www.petconnection.com/blog/2007/12/18/why-tammy-grimes-was-right-to-take-the-dog-and-the-court-was-right-to-find-her-guilty/ Blogging by a team of pet-care experts. Tue, 07 Feb 2012 07:26:07 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.2.1 By: Gina Spadafori http://www.petconnection.com/blog/2007/12/18/why-tammy-grimes-was-right-to-take-the-dog-and-the-court-was-right-to-find-her-guilty/comment-page-1/#comment-195458 Gina Spadafori Sat, 22 Dec 2007 18:29:45 +0000 http://www.petconnection.com/blog/2007/12/18/why-tammy-grimes-was-right-to-take-the-dog-and-the-court-was-right-to-find-her-guilty/#comment-195458 Alexis wrote: “Inanimate objects like your computer monitor are property, human animals and all other animals are not property.” Um … legally, yes, they are. If you don’t understand that, well, here’s YOUR bridge, sweetheart. And by the way, we discuss the issues here, and don’t attack people for their views. Calling someone “stupid” isn’t acceptable. The status of animals as “property” can definitely use some tweaking—better anti-cruelty laws, and stronger enforcement—but there are legal protections afforded by such status that cannot be ignored and need to be taken into account when we debate the issue. Alexis wrote:

“Inanimate objects like your computer monitor are property, human animals and all other animals are not property.”

Um … legally, yes, they are.

If you don’t understand that, well, here’s YOUR bridge, sweetheart. And by the way, we discuss the issues here, and don’t attack people for their views. Calling someone “stupid” isn’t acceptable.

The status of animals as “property” can definitely use some tweaking—better anti-cruelty laws, and stronger enforcement—but there are legal protections afforded by such status that cannot be ignored and need to be taken into account when we debate the issue.

]]> By: Alexis http://www.petconnection.com/blog/2007/12/18/why-tammy-grimes-was-right-to-take-the-dog-and-the-court-was-right-to-find-her-guilty/comment-page-1/#comment-195456 Alexis Sat, 22 Dec 2007 18:27:34 +0000 http://www.petconnection.com/blog/2007/12/18/why-tammy-grimes-was-right-to-take-the-dog-and-the-court-was-right-to-find-her-guilty/#comment-195456 We need to put Emily, the D.A and that screwed up judge on the end of a chain for life, or, until they comprehend that none of us animals, including those of non-human species, are property. We need to put Emily, the D.A and that screwed up judge on the end of a chain for life, or, until they comprehend that none of us animals, including those of non-human species, are property.

]]> By: Alexis http://www.petconnection.com/blog/2007/12/18/why-tammy-grimes-was-right-to-take-the-dog-and-the-court-was-right-to-find-her-guilty/comment-page-1/#comment-195450 Alexis Sat, 22 Dec 2007 18:22:33 +0000 http://www.petconnection.com/blog/2007/12/18/why-tammy-grimes-was-right-to-take-the-dog-and-the-court-was-right-to-find-her-guilty/#comment-195450 I agree, Pat, and Monica, you are so RIGHT ON! I agree, Pat, and Monica, you are so RIGHT ON!

]]> By: Alexis http://www.petconnection.com/blog/2007/12/18/why-tammy-grimes-was-right-to-take-the-dog-and-the-court-was-right-to-find-her-guilty/comment-page-1/#comment-195447 Alexis Sat, 22 Dec 2007 18:21:12 +0000 http://www.petconnection.com/blog/2007/12/18/why-tammy-grimes-was-right-to-take-the-dog-and-the-court-was-right-to-find-her-guilty/#comment-195447 Emily, you're comments are downright stupid. Everyone knows a life isn't "property". If that were the case I would have already stole you and chained you to a tree in my backyard. When Tammy Grimes came along to help you I'd call law enforcement and have her arrested for theft. Emily, you’re comments are downright stupid. Everyone knows a life isn’t “property”. If that were the case I would have already stole you and chained you to a tree in my backyard. When Tammy Grimes came along to help you I’d call law enforcement and have her arrested for theft.

]]> By: Alexis http://www.petconnection.com/blog/2007/12/18/why-tammy-grimes-was-right-to-take-the-dog-and-the-court-was-right-to-find-her-guilty/comment-page-1/#comment-195439 Alexis Sat, 22 Dec 2007 18:11:55 +0000 http://www.petconnection.com/blog/2007/12/18/why-tammy-grimes-was-right-to-take-the-dog-and-the-court-was-right-to-find-her-guilty/#comment-195439 "Civil Disobedience" or "Vigilantiasm", who cares? Doesn't matter what you call it, just lend a helping hand when you can instead of walking on by because you're afraid you'll be charged with theft of "property". Don't let a written human law fool you - inanimate objects like your computer monitor are property, human animals and all other animals are not property. The judge in this case is truly a delusional nutcase to claim that Doogie was property. Don't believe the lunatics who will tell you that a life is property, if you do, I may as well profit on your ignorance and tell you that I've got a bridge to sell you . . . “Civil Disobedience” or “Vigilantiasm”, who cares? Doesn’t matter what you call it, just lend a helping hand when you can instead of walking on by because you’re afraid you’ll be charged with theft of “property”.
Don’t let a written human law fool you - inanimate objects like your computer monitor are property, human animals and all other animals are not property.
The judge in this case is truly a delusional nutcase to claim that Doogie was property.
Don’t believe the lunatics who will tell you that a life is property, if you do, I may as well profit on your ignorance and tell you that I’ve got a bridge to sell you . . .

]]> By: The OTHER Pat http://www.petconnection.com/blog/2007/12/18/why-tammy-grimes-was-right-to-take-the-dog-and-the-court-was-right-to-find-her-guilty/comment-page-1/#comment-195425 The OTHER Pat Sat, 22 Dec 2007 17:54:38 +0000 http://www.petconnection.com/blog/2007/12/18/why-tammy-grimes-was-right-to-take-the-dog-and-the-court-was-right-to-find-her-guilty/#comment-195425 Sometimes laws are bad. And sometimes the only way to draw attention to bad laws is to willfully disobey them (civil disobedience) with *full knowledge* that you'll be held legally liable, but that hopefully your actions will raise public awareness resulting in the change of those laws. If you are indeed bringing awareness to a situation that needs to be changed, then - in time - that change will come. And this is the role of civil disobedience. Still - those who practice it know they will have to bear the legal consequences of their actions as part of creating the groundswell towards change. Sometimes laws are bad. And sometimes the only way to draw attention to bad laws is to willfully disobey them (civil disobedience) with *full knowledge* that you’ll be held legally liable, but that hopefully your actions will raise public awareness resulting in the change of those laws.

If you are indeed bringing awareness to a situation that needs to be changed, then - in time - that change will come. And this is the role of civil disobedience. Still - those who practice it know they will have to bear the legal consequences of their actions as part of creating the groundswell towards change.

]]> By: Alexis http://www.petconnection.com/blog/2007/12/18/why-tammy-grimes-was-right-to-take-the-dog-and-the-court-was-right-to-find-her-guilty/comment-page-1/#comment-195418 Alexis Sat, 22 Dec 2007 17:46:13 +0000 http://www.petconnection.com/blog/2007/12/18/why-tammy-grimes-was-right-to-take-the-dog-and-the-court-was-right-to-find-her-guilty/#comment-195418 Lis, you can charge for your hints or give them away free - your choice! Has it occurred to you that the poster wasn't directing her comments to the couple of people who bothered to post, but, instead, to the vast universe of potential readers who might read them? Lis, you can charge for your hints or give them away free - your choice!
Has it occurred to you that the poster wasn’t directing her comments to the couple of people who bothered to post, but, instead, to the vast universe of potential readers who might read them?

]]> By: Alexis http://www.petconnection.com/blog/2007/12/18/why-tammy-grimes-was-right-to-take-the-dog-and-the-court-was-right-to-find-her-guilty/comment-page-1/#comment-195416 Alexis Sat, 22 Dec 2007 17:38:20 +0000 http://www.petconnection.com/blog/2007/12/18/why-tammy-grimes-was-right-to-take-the-dog-and-the-court-was-right-to-find-her-guilty/#comment-195416 I agree - You must be responsible for your actions, and for the results of your actions. Steve & Lori Arnolds' actions were negligence , the results of their actions were pain & suffering. The Humane Society whose workers failed to respond to urgent calls for help were responsible for their acts of negligence, the results of their actions were a continuance of pain and suffering. Tammy Grimes' actions were persistant diligence to provide care, the results of her actions were renewed health and well-being and the elimination of pain and suffering. I agree - You must be responsible for your actions, and for the results of your actions.
Steve & Lori Arnolds’ actions were negligence , the results of their actions were pain & suffering.
The Humane Society whose workers failed to respond to urgent calls for help were responsible for their acts of negligence, the results of their actions were a continuance of pain and suffering.
Tammy Grimes’ actions were persistant diligence to provide care, the results of her actions were renewed health and well-being and the elimination of pain and suffering.

]]> By: emily http://www.petconnection.com/blog/2007/12/18/why-tammy-grimes-was-right-to-take-the-dog-and-the-court-was-right-to-find-her-guilty/comment-page-1/#comment-194353 emily Fri, 21 Dec 2007 16:59:49 +0000 http://www.petconnection.com/blog/2007/12/18/why-tammy-grimes-was-right-to-take-the-dog-and-the-court-was-right-to-find-her-guilty/#comment-194353 Nancy, where did anyone say she shouldn't have taken the dog? And are you somehow suggesting non-Christians are less moral than Christians? Nancy, where did anyone say she shouldn’t have taken the dog? And are you somehow suggesting non-Christians are less moral than Christians?

]]> By: Lis http://www.petconnection.com/blog/2007/12/18/why-tammy-grimes-was-right-to-take-the-dog-and-the-court-was-right-to-find-her-guilty/comment-page-1/#comment-194332 Lis Fri, 21 Dec 2007 16:35:07 +0000 http://www.petconnection.com/blog/2007/12/18/why-tammy-grimes-was-right-to-take-the-dog-and-the-court-was-right-to-find-her-guilty/#comment-194332 <i>I am so grateful Tamy Grimes had the courage to do what was right, she is truly a courageous hero. To anyone who would have left him to suffer and die, trying to justify their selfishness with “the law won’t let me”, perhaps you need to find yourself in a position where you are suffering, near death, and many people pass you by, refusing to help because they don’t want to put themselves in danger of fine or imprisonment.</i> Please, tell us who it is in this thread that has said that they would have left him there, or has said that Tammy should have. Be specific. Name names. Quote quotes. Free hint: see Emily's comment on the difference between civil disobedience and vigilantism. Second free hint: Many of the people, black and white, who participated in the civil rights protests of the 1960s were arrested and prosecuted. They expected to be; that was part of the civil rights campaign game plan. I am so grateful Tamy Grimes had the courage to do what was right, she is truly a courageous hero.
To anyone who would have left him to suffer and die, trying to justify their selfishness with “the law won’t let me”, perhaps you need to find yourself in a position where you are suffering, near death, and many people pass you by, refusing to help because they don’t want to put themselves in danger of fine or imprisonment.

Please, tell us who it is in this thread that has said that they would have left him there, or has said that Tammy should have. Be specific. Name names. Quote quotes.

Free hint: see Emily’s comment on the difference between civil disobedience and vigilantism.

Second free hint: Many of the people, black and white, who participated in the civil rights protests of the 1960s were arrested and prosecuted. They expected to be; that was part of the civil rights campaign game plan.

]]>