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	<title>Comments on: Counting the dead: Pet food and the numbers game, revisted</title>
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		<title>By: Lynn</title>
		<link>http://www.petconnection.com/blog/2007/11/29/the-numbers-game/#comment-189011</link>
		<dc:creator>Lynn</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 12 Dec 2007 07:05:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Some so-called professionals have the common sense equivalent of an amoeba...or maybe less.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Some so-called professionals have the common sense equivalent of an amoeba&#8230;or maybe less.</p>
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		<title>By: Bernard J. (Bernie) Starzewski</title>
		<link>http://www.petconnection.com/blog/2007/11/29/the-numbers-game/#comment-188759</link>
		<dc:creator>Bernard J. (Bernie) Starzewski</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 11 Dec 2007 19:03:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Just a little addendum:

Dr. Sawchuk also suggested that washing your hands after handling pet food is a good idea since it frequently contains things like salmonella.

Yum yum!  I bet that makes you want to feed that stuff to fido or fi fi!
Those double cheeseburgers looking a little better maybe?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Just a little addendum:</p>
<p>Dr. Sawchuk also suggested that washing your hands after handling pet food is a good idea since it frequently contains things like salmonella.</p>
<p>Yum yum!  I bet that makes you want to feed that stuff to fido or fi fi!<br />
Those double cheeseburgers looking a little better maybe?</p>
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		<title>By: Bernard J. (Bernie) Starzewski</title>
		<link>http://www.petconnection.com/blog/2007/11/29/the-numbers-game/#comment-188739</link>
		<dc:creator>Bernard J. (Bernie) Starzewski</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 11 Dec 2007 18:16:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I had to come and revisit this today.

My old pal Dr. Sawchuk was on the Larry Meiler show again today and happily repeated the Michigan numbers as if they were fact.  This is the same vet that as the events were unfolding described it as "... a slow news day."

  It makes my head want to explode when I hear a teacher from a major vet school sounding so oblivious to the actual science that is out there.

The show is still on as I type so it wont be on the show arhive page yet today but  click on this tomorrow and you should see it.

http://www.wpr.org/webcasting/audioarchives_display.cfm?Code=mlr

Re: Eating at McD's.  Although I am in my mid 50s I have no significant cholesterol or BP issues.  Just lucky I guess.  Also, Don Gorski from the movie "Supersize Me" who eats at McD's every day from Fond du Lac Wi.was my college chem lab partner.  I also went to highschool with his wife.  Go figure!

Not to worry.  We dont do it every day ourselves!  But I bet its still better than the crap in those "dog" food cans!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I had to come and revisit this today.</p>
<p>My old pal Dr. Sawchuk was on the Larry Meiler show again today and happily repeated the Michigan numbers as if they were fact.  This is the same vet that as the events were unfolding described it as &#8220;&#8230; a slow news day.&#8221;</p>
<p>  It makes my head want to explode when I hear a teacher from a major vet school sounding so oblivious to the actual science that is out there.</p>
<p>The show is still on as I type so it wont be on the show arhive page yet today but  click on this tomorrow and you should see it.</p>
<p><a href="http://www.wpr.org/webcasting/audioarchives_display.cfm?Code=mlr" rel="nofollow">http://www.wpr.org/webcasting/.....m?Code=mlr</a></p>
<p>Re: Eating at McD&#8217;s.  Although I am in my mid 50s I have no significant cholesterol or BP issues.  Just lucky I guess.  Also, Don Gorski from the movie &#8220;Supersize Me&#8221; who eats at McD&#8217;s every day from Fond du Lac Wi.was my college chem lab partner.  I also went to highschool with his wife.  Go figure!</p>
<p>Not to worry.  We dont do it every day ourselves!  But I bet its still better than the crap in those &#8220;dog&#8221; food cans!</p>
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		<title>By: emily</title>
		<link>http://www.petconnection.com/blog/2007/11/29/the-numbers-game/#comment-185218</link>
		<dc:creator>emily</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 06 Dec 2007 20:25:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thought you might be interested in this re the FDA's role

http://www.cidrap.umn.edu/cidrap/content/fs/food-disease/news/dec0407fda.html</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thought you might be interested in this re the FDA&#8217;s role</p>
<p><a href="http://www.cidrap.umn.edu/cidrap/content/fs/food-disease/news/dec0407fda.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.cidrap.umn.edu/cidr.....07fda.html</a></p>
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		<title>By: Erich Riesenberg</title>
		<link>http://www.petconnection.com/blog/2007/11/29/the-numbers-game/#comment-184343</link>
		<dc:creator>Erich Riesenberg</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 05 Dec 2007 20:11:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I don't think Flint River has ever had a recall, if so it is not mentioned on their site.  Some of their foods do contain wheat but not wheat gluten.  I don't think any of their foods contain corn.  They talk about buying from major US suppliers, using USDA plants and such.

http://frrco.com/indexFlash.cfm?

I may start buying even further in advance, I  think it is one of the few ways I can find out about a recall before feeding my pets.  With all the problems with toys and food, I don't think anything can be assumed to be safe.  Hopefully the federal government will begin working on consumer safety again in January 2009.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I don&#8217;t think Flint River has ever had a recall, if so it is not mentioned on their site.  Some of their foods do contain wheat but not wheat gluten.  I don&#8217;t think any of their foods contain corn.  They talk about buying from major US suppliers, using USDA plants and such.</p>
<p><a href="http://frrco.com/indexFlash.cfm?" rel="nofollow">http://frrco.com/indexFlash.cfm?</a></p>
<p>I may start buying even further in advance, I  think it is one of the few ways I can find out about a recall before feeding my pets.  With all the problems with toys and food, I don&#8217;t think anything can be assumed to be safe.  Hopefully the federal government will begin working on consumer safety again in January 2009.</p>
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		<title>By: Sandi K</title>
		<link>http://www.petconnection.com/blog/2007/11/29/the-numbers-game/#comment-182728</link>
		<dc:creator>Sandi K</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 04 Dec 2007 07:04:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I need to add that it was the cat food from Flint River Ranch that has corn gluten meal in it, I dont know if the dog food has it or not.  And I dont know where they get their corn gluten meal from.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I need to add that it was the cat food from Flint River Ranch that has corn gluten meal in it, I dont know if the dog food has it or not.  And I dont know where they get their corn gluten meal from.</p>
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		<title>By: Sandi K</title>
		<link>http://www.petconnection.com/blog/2007/11/29/the-numbers-game/#comment-182726</link>
		<dc:creator>Sandi K</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 04 Dec 2007 06:54:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Comment by Erich Riesenberg — December 3, 2007 @ 4:43 pm

Erich,  I dont want to dash your hopes and sound paranoid but unfortunately we were buying our cats food several months worth at a time (we would buy up to 12 cases because we had to get it thru mail and living in Alaska you cant always trust the weather).  Well we got our shipment of food in Nov 06 and all of it turned out to be recalled in April 07.  Our cat died in March.  So buying food several months in advance doesnt guard your pet or you from coming into contact with tainted food.  And Im not knocking Flint River as a food as we never tried it but I think it does have corn gluten meal in it, do you know where they purchase that from?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Comment by Erich Riesenberg — December 3, 2007 @ 4:43 pm</p>
<p>Erich,  I dont want to dash your hopes and sound paranoid but unfortunately we were buying our cats food several months worth at a time (we would buy up to 12 cases because we had to get it thru mail and living in Alaska you cant always trust the weather).  Well we got our shipment of food in Nov 06 and all of it turned out to be recalled in April 07.  Our cat died in March.  So buying food several months in advance doesnt guard your pet or you from coming into contact with tainted food.  And Im not knocking Flint River as a food as we never tried it but I think it does have corn gluten meal in it, do you know where they purchase that from?</p>
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		<title>By: Dorene</title>
		<link>http://www.petconnection.com/blog/2007/11/29/the-numbers-game/#comment-182649</link>
		<dc:creator>Dorene</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 04 Dec 2007 00:13:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I'm doing a lot more of "the pets eat what I eat." If it's a whole food that won't hurt them (raisins and alliums being out) and it falls to the floor or it's a scrap, the pets get it.

I'm buying less junk for the humans (since I don't know where all those ingredients came from), so the pets are eating better, too.

Bernie, I'm shocked that YOU are eating at McDonald's, let alone your dog. As a teenager, I was part of a summer touring singing group and I knew when we'd been eating at McDonald's too often because I broke out in cold sores.  Poor Scout is going to need supplements if you keep feeding him there!  Surely, you've got friends you could buy a side of grass-fed beef (or bison -- lots of folks switching over here in PA as they take care of themselves and get big quick on grass) from so that everyone eats better! :-D</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m doing a lot more of &#8220;the pets eat what I eat.&#8221; If it&#8217;s a whole food that won&#8217;t hurt them (raisins and alliums being out) and it falls to the floor or it&#8217;s a scrap, the pets get it.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m buying less junk for the humans (since I don&#8217;t know where all those ingredients came from), so the pets are eating better, too.</p>
<p>Bernie, I&#8217;m shocked that YOU are eating at McDonald&#8217;s, let alone your dog. As a teenager, I was part of a summer touring singing group and I knew when we&#8217;d been eating at McDonald&#8217;s too often because I broke out in cold sores.  Poor Scout is going to need supplements if you keep feeding him there!  Surely, you&#8217;ve got friends you could buy a side of grass-fed beef (or bison &#8212; lots of folks switching over here in PA as they take care of themselves and get big quick on grass) from so that everyone eats better! :-D</p>
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		<title>By: Erich Riesenberg</title>
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		<dc:creator>Erich Riesenberg</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 03 Dec 2007 23:43:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The problem is not the country in which a product is made, or corporate greed.  Companies don't have greed, people do.  Find a company run by people you trust and understand what they are saying is in their product.

One brand I use, Flint River Ranch, never experienced any recall.  Another, Natural Balance, has had at least two different recalls.

Also, I buy bags several months in advance, keeping them in enclosed, cool containers.  If there is a recall, I hope I will hear about it before I feed it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The problem is not the country in which a product is made, or corporate greed.  Companies don&#8217;t have greed, people do.  Find a company run by people you trust and understand what they are saying is in their product.</p>
<p>One brand I use, Flint River Ranch, never experienced any recall.  Another, Natural Balance, has had at least two different recalls.</p>
<p>Also, I buy bags several months in advance, keeping them in enclosed, cool containers.  If there is a recall, I hope I will hear about it before I feed it.</p>
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		<title>By: Nadine L.</title>
		<link>http://www.petconnection.com/blog/2007/11/29/the-numbers-game/#comment-182636</link>
		<dc:creator>Nadine L.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 03 Dec 2007 22:54:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Bernie and Cathy Z - How do we know that we're not already getting human chow?  Meat and meat-by-products...what do these mean?  What KIND of meat?  And exactly whose bones are in bone meal?!  I know...stop already.  We could make ourselves sick just playing around with nebulous terms.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Bernie and Cathy Z - How do we know that we&#8217;re not already getting human chow?  Meat and meat-by-products&#8230;what do these mean?  What KIND of meat?  And exactly whose bones are in bone meal?!  I know&#8230;stop already.  We could make ourselves sick just playing around with nebulous terms.</p>
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