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	<title>Comments on: Owners yelp over dog&#8217;s treatment at kennel</title>
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		<title>By: Laura</title>
		<link>http://www.petconnection.com/blog/2007/08/10/owners-yelp-over-dogs-treatment-at-kennel/comment-page-1/#comment-107249</link>
		<dc:creator>Laura</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 13 Aug 2007 22:42:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Interesting.  It appears to me that the AHA&#039;s Humane Dog Training Project may have gotten hijacked by those with an agenda to force their preferred dog training philosophy onto others by slapping an &quot;inhumane&quot; label on balanced alternatives. 

A pity it couldn&#039;t have stayed focused on, as one dog trainer said &quot;training [that] enhances the lifelong relationship between people and dogs.&quot;  Or as another said &quot;Humane dog training is that which gets the point of the training across to the dog in the fastest manner without undue pain or confusion to the dog.  It does not necessarily have anything to do with the equipment used.&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Interesting.  It appears to me that the AHA&#8217;s Humane Dog Training Project may have gotten hijacked by those with an agenda to force their preferred dog training philosophy onto others by slapping an &#8220;inhumane&#8221; label on balanced alternatives. </p>
<p>A pity it couldn&#8217;t have stayed focused on, as one dog trainer said &#8220;training [that] enhances the lifelong relationship between people and dogs.&#8221;  Or as another said &#8220;Humane dog training is that which gets the point of the training across to the dog in the fastest manner without undue pain or confusion to the dog.  It does not necessarily have anything to do with the equipment used.&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: The OTHER Pat</title>
		<link>http://www.petconnection.com/blog/2007/08/10/owners-yelp-over-dogs-treatment-at-kennel/comment-page-1/#comment-107226</link>
		<dc:creator>The OTHER Pat</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 13 Aug 2007 21:06:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well, you may or may not be aware of the ill-fated &quot;American Humane Association Human Dog Training Project&quot; that was undertaken in the late 90s.  I&#039;m not sure I completely understand all the dynamics that were at play, but the &quot;take-home message&quot; I sort of got from it was that reaching consensus on a definition of &quot;humane&quot; v.s. &quot;abusive&quot; was a real sticking point.  Especially (my take here) among those who feared that their preferred training philosophies and approaches might fall outside of what the committee decided the term &quot;humane&quot; should encompass.

Here are a couple of articles about the whole thing:

http://www.dogpro.org/index.php?pageID=47
http://www.dogpro.org/index.php?pageID=55</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well, you may or may not be aware of the ill-fated &#8220;American Humane Association Human Dog Training Project&#8221; that was undertaken in the late 90s.  I&#8217;m not sure I completely understand all the dynamics that were at play, but the &#8220;take-home message&#8221; I sort of got from it was that reaching consensus on a definition of &#8220;humane&#8221; v.s. &#8220;abusive&#8221; was a real sticking point.  Especially (my take here) among those who feared that their preferred training philosophies and approaches might fall outside of what the committee decided the term &#8220;humane&#8221; should encompass.</p>
<p>Here are a couple of articles about the whole thing:</p>
<p><a href="http://www.dogpro.org/index.php?pageID=47" rel="nofollow">http://www.dogpro.org/index.php?pageID=47</a><br />
<a href="http://www.dogpro.org/index.php?pageID=55" rel="nofollow">http://www.dogpro.org/index.php?pageID=55</a></p>
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		<title>By: Diana Guerrero</title>
		<link>http://www.petconnection.com/blog/2007/08/10/owners-yelp-over-dogs-treatment-at-kennel/comment-page-1/#comment-107217</link>
		<dc:creator>Diana Guerrero</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 13 Aug 2007 20:26:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>User error is my blanket statement on reports such as these--at least that is the PC version of statement. :-)

Unfortunately, there are archaic and culturally driven techniques that still head the pack despite more sophisticated techniques and handling methods.

Looking at the caging at the facility tells me there was a problem and probably more that were unseen.

The only time I&#039;ve seen similar damage to an animal&#039;s neck was when I was riding with a traditional trainer and viewing his clients. One owner failed to move the collar regularly and left it to burn holes in his dog&#039;s neck.

The trainer wanted me to join his team but between clients we bantered the differences of approach between our techniques and there was no way I would have been comfortable enough to join his team but we both left respecting each other.

I have tested shock collars on my hand. At the low setting, my little finger was numb for about a half and hour. Hence, I&#039;ve never used them.

Roger Mugford had me test citronella collar on barkers in the early 90s and I found them to be reliable on about 95% of the dogs. However, it is only one tool in any strategy to deal with barking.

Unfortunately, these types of reports reflect badly on the profession not to mention the harm that it causes our canine companions.

The underlying problem is getting the right message to the consumer about what constitutes humane and reasonable methods of training and animal care...that way they can make better choices--anyone have an answer?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>User error is my blanket statement on reports such as these&#8212;at least that is the PC version of statement. :-)</p>
<p>Unfortunately, there are archaic and culturally driven techniques that still head the pack despite more sophisticated techniques and handling methods.</p>
<p>Looking at the caging at the facility tells me there was a problem and probably more that were unseen.</p>
<p>The only time I&#8217;ve seen similar damage to an animal&#8217;s neck was when I was riding with a traditional trainer and viewing his clients. One owner failed to move the collar regularly and left it to burn holes in his dog&#8217;s neck.</p>
<p>The trainer wanted me to join his team but between clients we bantered the differences of approach between our techniques and there was no way I would have been comfortable enough to join his team but we both left respecting each other.</p>
<p>I have tested shock collars on my hand. At the low setting, my little finger was numb for about a half and hour. Hence, I&#8217;ve never used them.</p>
<p>Roger Mugford had me test citronella collar on barkers in the early 90s and I found them to be reliable on about 95% of the dogs. However, it is only one tool in any strategy to deal with barking.</p>
<p>Unfortunately, these types of reports reflect badly on the profession not to mention the harm that it causes our canine companions.</p>
<p>The underlying problem is getting the right message to the consumer about what constitutes humane and reasonable methods of training and animal care&#8230;that way they can make better choices&#8212;anyone have an answer?</p>
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		<title>By: Great Dane Addict</title>
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		<dc:creator>Great Dane Addict</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 13 Aug 2007 17:53:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Gina, I totally agree that invisible fences don&#039;t protect the pet from being attacked or stolen or a myriad of other things.

That&#039;s why you don&#039;t leave your pets outside unattended no matter what type of fencing you have. 

I also think too many people think they can just install an invisible fence and put the collar on their dog, and then voila, magic happens.  You can&#039;t expect your dog to understand what&#039;s going on unless you show them.  I guess that&#039;s why I made such an effort to train them on the fence in the first place, because I didn&#039;t want to have to worry about them being &#039;shocked&#039; on a consistent basis, or them running through the fence (which I hear about alot.)  In fact, in my case, my dogs don&#039;t even really wear their collars in the yard most of the time. (I didn&#039;t put that in my original response because too many people read that and then try the same thing and since their dogs weren&#039;t properly trained in the first place, they end up running away or whatever.)

I also think invisible fences can cause other problems as well.  For example, I believe my dogs are more protective of the yard than they should be and I blame this on the invisible fence.  But I still am glad I have it because I live in the city and can&#039;t have real fencing and my dogs so would have been hit by a car or run away by now.  And again, someday when I move, the first thing I&#039;m checking is city ordinances on fencing.  Because I want a real fence!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Gina, I totally agree that invisible fences don&#8217;t protect the pet from being attacked or stolen or a myriad of other things.</p>
<p>That&#8217;s why you don&#8217;t leave your pets outside unattended no matter what type of fencing you have. </p>
<p>I also think too many people think they can just install an invisible fence and put the collar on their dog, and then voila, magic happens.  You can&#8217;t expect your dog to understand what&#8217;s going on unless you show them.  I guess that&#8217;s why I made such an effort to train them on the fence in the first place, because I didn&#8217;t want to have to worry about them being &#8216;shocked&#8217; on a consistent basis, or them running through the fence (which I hear about alot.)  In fact, in my case, my dogs don&#8217;t even really wear their collars in the yard most of the time. (I didn&#8217;t put that in my original response because too many people read that and then try the same thing and since their dogs weren&#8217;t properly trained in the first place, they end up running away or whatever.)</p>
<p>I also think invisible fences can cause other problems as well.  For example, I believe my dogs are more protective of the yard than they should be and I blame this on the invisible fence.  But I still am glad I have it because I live in the city and can&#8217;t have real fencing and my dogs so would have been hit by a car or run away by now.  And again, someday when I move, the first thing I&#8217;m checking is city ordinances on fencing.  Because I want a real fence!</p>
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		<title>By: VJ</title>
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		<dc:creator>VJ</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 13 Aug 2007 17:46:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I, too, do not believe in the Invisible Fences or boarding my pets. In fact, right now I&#039;m trying to locate a grooming salon that will let me stay while my dog is being groomed. They all tell me it takes 3 to 5 hours for the process. I&#039;ve only had him groomed twice (for the summer). The first lady who unfortunately moved to another state, only took an hour to cut, trim, bathe, blow dry and trim up a little. Recently there have been too many stories in the news media about pets being left at grooming salons and the terrible things that have happened to them. If I can&#039;t find someone who let&#039;s me stay, guess he just won&#039;t get a haircut.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I, too, do not believe in the Invisible Fences or boarding my pets. In fact, right now I&#8217;m trying to locate a grooming salon that will let me stay while my dog is being groomed. They all tell me it takes 3 to 5 hours for the process. I&#8217;ve only had him groomed twice (for the summer). The first lady who unfortunately moved to another state, only took an hour to cut, trim, bathe, blow dry and trim up a little. Recently there have been too many stories in the news media about pets being left at grooming salons and the terrible things that have happened to them. If I can&#8217;t find someone who let&#8217;s me stay, guess he just won&#8217;t get a haircut.</p>
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		<title>By: Clare</title>
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		<dc:creator>Clare</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 13 Aug 2007 08:55:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sadly, I think this might be just lifting the lid on what really goes on at some doggy day cares and kennels.
I&#039;m totally against using shock collars, they seem to be used as a quick fix for behavioural problems that can be corrected by the owner putting in a bit of time an effort with their dog. I guess that&#039;s the problem with a great many owners, putting in the time and effort...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sadly, I think this might be just lifting the lid on what really goes on at some doggy day cares and kennels.<br />
I&#8217;m totally against using shock collars, they seem to be used as a quick fix for behavioural problems that can be corrected by the owner putting in a bit of time an effort with their dog. I guess that&#8217;s the problem with a great many owners, putting in the time and effort&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Gina Spadafori</title>
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		<dc:creator>Gina Spadafori</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 13 Aug 2007 03:52:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Let me clarify ... I don&#039;t recommend electronic containment systems (no matter the brand) or electronic bark collars (although I do recommend the citronella collar). 

That&#039;s my general recommendation, without knowing the dog, the owner or the circumstances. Because in general I find that automatic electronic training systems are offered as a &quot;quick fix,&quot; and I hate that. 

That said, with every almost every piece of training equipment I can always find an exception to my general recommendations. 

But all the same, those general recommendations stand, if for no other reason than electronic containment systems don&#039;t protect an animal from being attacked or stolen.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Let me clarify &#8230; I don&#8217;t recommend electronic containment systems (no matter the brand) or electronic bark collars (although I do recommend the citronella collar). </p>
<p>That&#8217;s my general recommendation, without knowing the dog, the owner or the circumstances. Because in general I find that automatic electronic training systems are offered as a &#8220;quick fix,&#8221; and I hate that. </p>
<p>That said, with every almost every piece of training equipment I can always find an exception to my general recommendations. </p>
<p>But all the same, those general recommendations stand, if for no other reason than electronic containment systems don&#8217;t protect an animal from being attacked or stolen.</p>
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		<title>By: The OTHER Pat</title>
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		<dc:creator>The OTHER Pat</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 13 Aug 2007 03:43:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Honestly - I wish Invisible Fences had never been invented.  For a LOT of reasons - but among them, this idiotic thing cities do now saying that you CAN&#039;T build a fence, and specifying the invisible fences instead.  City beauracrats who don&#039;t know near enough about dogs but think it&#039;s okay to just legislate this as a &quot;solution&quot;.  A &quot;solution&quot; that wouldn&#039;t be available to them if the d%$# things had never have been invented.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Honestly - I wish Invisible Fences had never been invented.  For a LOT of reasons - but among them, this idiotic thing cities do now saying that you CAN&#8217;T build a fence, and specifying the invisible fences instead.  City beauracrats who don&#8217;t know near enough about dogs but think it&#8217;s okay to just legislate this as a &#8220;solution&#8221;.  A &#8220;solution&#8221; that wouldn&#8217;t be available to them if the d%$# things had never have been invented.</p>
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		<title>By: Great Dane Addict</title>
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		<dc:creator>Great Dane Addict</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 13 Aug 2007 03:23:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>OH and btw, that boarding kennel?  Words can&#039;t explain how livid I&#039;d be if that were my dog.

Just another reason I&#039;d never board them.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>OH and btw, that boarding kennel?  Words can&#8217;t explain how livid I&#8217;d be if that were my dog.</p>
<p>Just another reason I&#8217;d never board them.</p>
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		<title>By: Great Dane Addict</title>
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		<dc:creator>Great Dane Addict</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 13 Aug 2007 03:22:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m all on board with building a real fence, however it&#039;s against the city ordinance where I live.  So, gasp, I have an Invisible Fence (actual brand name.)  But my dogs never wear their collars any place other than the yard. I also don&#039;t think all *invisible* fences are created equal.  I did alot of research and went for the pricier company that stood behind their product and even helped me train my dogs.  The collars also function on a warning signal (a beep) and don&#039;t actually shock, it&#039;s more of a vibration (I&#039;ve tested it on myself.)

That being said, my dogs haven&#039;t been anything other than warned by a beep in over 4 years AND if they were to go a bit further and push that warning threshold, well it certainly hurts less than getting hit by a car.  But someday, I&#039;ll move, and on my list of requirements for a new home, is to move to a city that allows for REAL fencing.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m all on board with building a real fence, however it&#8217;s against the city ordinance where I live.  So, gasp, I have an Invisible Fence (actual brand name.)  But my dogs never wear their collars any place other than the yard. I also don&#8217;t think all *invisible* fences are created equal.  I did alot of research and went for the pricier company that stood behind their product and even helped me train my dogs.  The collars also function on a warning signal (a beep) and don&#8217;t actually shock, it&#8217;s more of a vibration (I&#8217;ve tested it on myself.)</p>
<p>That being said, my dogs haven&#8217;t been anything other than warned by a beep in over 4 years AND if they were to go a bit further and push that warning threshold, well it certainly hurts less than getting hit by a car.  But someday, I&#8217;ll move, and on my list of requirements for a new home, is to move to a city that allows for REAL fencing.</p>
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