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	<title>Comments on: Forensic lab offers DNA testing for dog attacks</title>
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		<title>By: Luisa</title>
		<link>http://www.petconnection.com/blog/2007/07/13/forensic-lab-offers-dna-testing-for-dog-attacks/comment-page-1/#comment-93145</link>
		<dc:creator>Luisa</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 14 Jul 2007 21:23:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Topic ---

Christie wrote: &quot;They also caution that you need either the owner’s permission or a court order to obtain DNA from an animal other than your own.&quot;

I was talking to a police officer friend about [what&#039;s left of our] Fourth Amendment rights, and he said that while a homeowner, for example, can give verbal assent to a police search of his property, there are so many potential problems with verbal consent that the police prefer search warrants. 

Also, if you need to obtain DNA samples for a diagnostic lab like OptiGen, there are basic guidelines: no food or drink for the dog beforehand, no access to toys or other pets, etc.

If I wanted to get a DNA sample from a neighbor&#039;s dog, I suspect I&#039;d A) get a court order first and B) read up on DNA collection in order to get a good sample.  Here a link to OptiGen&#039;s &quot;Cheek Swab Sample Collection Instructions&quot;:
http://www.optigen.com/opt9_cheekswb.html

Steve links to an AP report, &quot;China suspends imports from major US meat processors after finding contamination&quot;: 
&quot;The meat was contaminated with salmonella, feed additives and veterinary drugs [...]&quot;  

Of course factory-farmed American meat is &quot;contaminated with salmonella, feed additives and veterinary drugs.&quot;  Has been for decades.  Isn&#039;t that common knowledge?</description>
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<p>Christie wrote: &#8220;They also caution that you need either the owner’s permission or a court order to obtain DNA from an animal other than your own.&#8221;</p>
<p>I was talking to a police officer friend about [what&#8217;s left of our] Fourth Amendment rights, and he said that while a homeowner, for example, can give verbal assent to a police search of his property, there are so many potential problems with verbal consent that the police prefer search warrants. </p>
<p>Also, if you need to obtain DNA samples for a diagnostic lab like OptiGen, there are basic guidelines: no food or drink for the dog beforehand, no access to toys or other pets, etc.</p>
<p>If I wanted to get a DNA sample from a neighbor&#8217;s dog, I suspect I&#8217;d A) get a court order first and B) read up on DNA collection in order to get a good sample.  Here a link to OptiGen&#8217;s &#8220;Cheek Swab Sample Collection Instructions&#8221;:<br />
<a href="http://www.optigen.com/opt9_cheekswb.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.optigen.com/opt9_cheekswb.html</a></p>
<p>Steve links to an AP report, &#8220;China suspends imports from major US meat processors after finding contamination&#8221;:<br />
&#8220;The meat was contaminated with salmonella, feed additives and veterinary drugs [&#8230;]&#8221;  </p>
<p>Of course factory-farmed American meat is &#8220;contaminated with salmonella, feed additives and veterinary drugs.&#8221;  Has been for decades.  Isn&#8217;t that common knowledge?</p>
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		<title>By: Aunt Granny</title>
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		<dc:creator>Aunt Granny</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 14 Jul 2007 18:31:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Oops, looks like I jumped the gun in connecting the two companies! They don&#039;t seem to be connected. 

I am still very suspicious about the &quot;lumps&quot; that won&#039;t dissolve though....</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Oops, looks like I jumped the gun in connecting the two companies! They don&#8217;t seem to be connected. </p>
<p>I am still very suspicious about the &#8220;lumps&#8221; that won&#8217;t dissolve though&#8230;.</p>
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		<title>By: Aunt Granny</title>
		<link>http://www.petconnection.com/blog/2007/07/13/forensic-lab-offers-dna-testing-for-dog-attacks/comment-page-1/#comment-93079</link>
		<dc:creator>Aunt Granny</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 14 Jul 2007 18:26:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Are they different Gerber&#039;s, or divisions of the same company?</description>
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		<title>By: Aunt Granny</title>
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		<dc:creator>Aunt Granny</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 14 Jul 2007 18:16:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I know a lot of pet parents have mentioned feeding human baby food, especially to their sick and recovering pets.

Am I just overly suspicious in connecting the dots on Gerber&#039;s recall of packages of Organic Rice and Organic Oatmeal???

Reported On Wednesday -- &quot;A senior vice president of Gerber Scientific Inc., producer of equipment for sign-making and other industries, exercised options for 37,567 shares of common stock, according to a Securities and Exchange Commission filing.

In a Form 4 filed with the SEC Wednesday 11 July 2007, Bernard J. Demko reported he exercised the options Monday 9 July 2007, for $6.28 to $9.45 apiece and then sold the shares the same day for $10.72 to $10.97 apiece.

Insiders file Form 4s with the SEC to report transactions in their companies&#039; shares. Open market purchases and sales must be reported within two business days of the transaction.&quot;

Then announced the recall yesterday -- &quot;Choking hazard has caused a Gerber baby food recall. FDA is aware and &quot;concurs,&quot; but no press release or any information as of this morning from Gerber or FDA on this baby food recall.

AP Reports that Gerber &quot;recalled all packages of its organic rice and organic oatmeal cereals Friday because of potential clumping of the baby food, which can pose a choking hazard. ... The company said a &quot;limited quantity&quot; of the cereals could contain lumps that do not dissolve in water or milk.&quot;

Gerber recall was issued after the company said it has received &quot;complaints of choking but no reports of injury.&quot;

Gerber spokesman David Mortazavi said the company was recalling 306,760 packages of organic rice cereal and 167,724 packages of organic oatmeal cereal.&quot;

No Where have I been able to find an ingredients list for these two Gerber cereals. I suspect Rice Protein Concentrate is on the list though. Anybody who has seen baby cereal knows how easily the tiny flakes dissolve. That it has lumps that won&#039;t dissolve in milk or water is making my brain yell Melamine Scrap!

Has all this made me that crazy, or might there be something to my train of thought?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I know a lot of pet parents have mentioned feeding human baby food, especially to their sick and recovering pets.</p>
<p>Am I just overly suspicious in connecting the dots on Gerber&#8217;s recall of packages of Organic Rice and Organic Oatmeal???</p>
<p>Reported On Wednesday &#8212; &#8220;A senior vice president of Gerber Scientific Inc., producer of equipment for sign-making and other industries, exercised options for 37,567 shares of common stock, according to a Securities and Exchange Commission filing.</p>
<p>In a Form 4 filed with the SEC Wednesday 11 July 2007, Bernard J. Demko reported he exercised the options Monday 9 July 2007, for $6.28 to $9.45 apiece and then sold the shares the same day for $10.72 to $10.97 apiece.</p>
<p>Insiders file Form 4s with the SEC to report transactions in their companies&#8217; shares. Open market purchases and sales must be reported within two business days of the transaction.&#8221;</p>
<p>Then announced the recall yesterday &#8212; &#8220;Choking hazard has caused a Gerber baby food recall. FDA is aware and &#8220;concurs,&#8221; but no press release or any information as of this morning from Gerber or FDA on this baby food recall.</p>
<p>AP Reports that Gerber &#8220;recalled all packages of its organic rice and organic oatmeal cereals Friday because of potential clumping of the baby food, which can pose a choking hazard. &#8230; The company said a &#8220;limited quantity&#8221; of the cereals could contain lumps that do not dissolve in water or milk.&#8221;</p>
<p>Gerber recall was issued after the company said it has received &#8220;complaints of choking but no reports of injury.&#8221;</p>
<p>Gerber spokesman David Mortazavi said the company was recalling 306,760 packages of organic rice cereal and 167,724 packages of organic oatmeal cereal.&#8221;</p>
<p>No Where have I been able to find an ingredients list for these two Gerber cereals. I suspect Rice Protein Concentrate is on the list though. Anybody who has seen baby cereal knows how easily the tiny flakes dissolve. That it has lumps that won&#8217;t dissolve in milk or water is making my brain yell Melamine Scrap!</p>
<p>Has all this made me that crazy, or might there be something to my train of thought?</p>
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		<title>By: The OTHER Pat</title>
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		<dc:creator>The OTHER Pat</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 14 Jul 2007 18:11:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I have a solution:  Let&#039;s have Chinese buy and eat meat raised in China, and Americans buy and eat food raised in the US, and we can both just concentrate on solving our own problems!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I have a solution:  Let&#8217;s have Chinese buy and eat meat raised in China, and Americans buy and eat food raised in the US, and we can both just concentrate on solving our own problems!</p>
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		<title>By: Aunt Granny</title>
		<link>http://www.petconnection.com/blog/2007/07/13/forensic-lab-offers-dna-testing-for-dog-attacks/comment-page-1/#comment-93074</link>
		<dc:creator>Aunt Granny</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 14 Jul 2007 18:03:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>So China doesn&#039;t want the US chicken and pork contaminated with their Melamine Scrap? Imagine that!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>So China doesn&#8217;t want the US chicken and pork contaminated with their Melamine Scrap? Imagine that!</p>
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		<title>By: Evelyn</title>
		<link>http://www.petconnection.com/blog/2007/07/13/forensic-lab-offers-dna-testing-for-dog-attacks/comment-page-1/#comment-93070</link>
		<dc:creator>Evelyn</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 14 Jul 2007 17:44:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Oh, Golly, our meat was contaminated.  Isn&#039;t that a surprise!

If I go to China, I think I will bring my own food.  

Maybe the Olympic athletes from other countries that particpate should bring their food with them, unless their country&#039;s food is tainted, also.  Oh, the world wide supply of food has my mind boggled by the difficulty in knowing what is safe for me and my furbabies.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Oh, Golly, our meat was contaminated.  Isn&#8217;t that a surprise!</p>
<p>If I go to China, I think I will bring my own food.  </p>
<p>Maybe the Olympic athletes from other countries that particpate should bring their food with them, unless their country&#8217;s food is tainted, also.  Oh, the world wide supply of food has my mind boggled by the difficulty in knowing what is safe for me and my furbabies.</p>
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		<title>By: Diana Guerrero</title>
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		<dc:creator>Diana Guerrero</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 14 Jul 2007 17:42:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This could be a good tool if used right. In my area there are so many unsolved dog attacks and although we don&#039;t like all the &quot;big brother is watching you&quot; tactics--another tool in the box might be useful.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This could be a good tool if used right. In my area there are so many unsolved dog attacks and although we don&#8217;t like all the &#8220;big brother is watching you&#8221; tactics&#8212;another tool in the box might be useful.</p>
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		<title>By: Steve</title>
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		<dc:creator>Steve</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 14 Jul 2007 15:24:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>And in other news. . . 

China suspends imports from major US meat processors after finding contamination.

BEIJING (AP) - China has suspended imports of chicken feet, pig ears and other animal products from seven U.S. companies _ including the world&#039;s largest meat processor _ in an apparent attempt to turn the tables on American complaints about tainted products from China.
The meat was contaminated with salmonella, feed additives and veterinary drugs,
according to a list posted on the Web site of the General Administration of Quality Supervision, Inspection and Quarantine late Friday.

http://www.pr-inside.com/china-suspends-imports-from-major-us-r172406.htm</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>And in other news. . . </p>
<p>China suspends imports from major US meat processors after finding contamination.</p>
<p>BEIJING (AP) - China has suspended imports of chicken feet, pig ears and other animal products from seven U.S. companies _ including the world&#8217;s largest meat processor _ in an apparent attempt to turn the tables on American complaints about tainted products from China.<br />
The meat was contaminated with salmonella, feed additives and veterinary drugs,<br />
according to a list posted on the Web site of the General Administration of Quality Supervision, Inspection and Quarantine late Friday.</p>
<p><a href="http://www.pr-inside.com/china-suspends-imports-from-major-us-r172406.htm" rel="nofollow">http://www.pr-inside.com/china.....172406.htm</a></p>
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