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		<title>By: Andrea 2CatMom</title>
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		<dc:creator>Andrea 2CatMom</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 07 Jul 2007 14:34:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I know this is off topic but I just had to share this story.  I was in PetSmart last night and they the usual assortment of cats for adoption.  They rarely have kittens - mostly cats in the 1-2 year old range, occasionally a middle age or older cat. 

A couple in their 30s were looking at the cats and lamenting that there weren&#039;t any kittens.  I couldn&#039;t help myself, I turned to them and said &quot;Yeah, kittens are great..I love they way they shred the curtains as they climb up slide down them and talk about mayhem..nothing beats a kitten.&quot; 

They looked at each other and then began to ask questions:  Will a 1-2 year old cat be playful (oh yeah), will they bond with us (hey I have two cats (now 4 &amp; 5 squabbling to get on my lap even as I type), how long do they live (up to 20 years, so you&#039;ll have plenty of years of fun even if the cat is 2 or 3 or 6).  

I left them discussing which of several two year olds they would like to adopt, LOL</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I know this is off topic but I just had to share this story.  I was in PetSmart last night and they the usual assortment of cats for adoption.  They rarely have kittens - mostly cats in the 1-2 year old range, occasionally a middle age or older cat. </p>
<p>A couple in their 30s were looking at the cats and lamenting that there weren&#8217;t any kittens.  I couldn&#8217;t help myself, I turned to them and said &#8220;Yeah, kittens are great..I love they way they shred the curtains as they climb up slide down them and talk about mayhem..nothing beats a kitten.&#8221; </p>
<p>They looked at each other and then began to ask questions:  Will a 1-2 year old cat be playful (oh yeah), will they bond with us (hey I have two cats (now 4 &amp; 5 squabbling to get on my lap even as I type), how long do they live (up to 20 years, so you&#8217;ll have plenty of years of fun even if the cat is 2 or 3 or 6).  </p>
<p>I left them discussing which of several two year olds they would like to adopt, LOL</p>
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		<title>By: The OTHER Pat</title>
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		<dc:creator>The OTHER Pat</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 06 Jul 2007 17:59:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>And that&#039;s actually a point Gina &amp; Co. have been making all along - that there is no &quot;one size fits all&quot; solution to this very large and complex problem.

By the way, have you noticed that the &quot;exemptions&quot; in the bill are pretty much only for dogs.  I don&#039;t know if that&#039;s good or bad - but it&#039;s interesting.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>And that&#8217;s actually a point Gina &amp; Co. have been making all along - that there is no &#8220;one size fits all&#8221; solution to this very large and complex problem.</p>
<p>By the way, have you noticed that the &#8220;exemptions&#8221; in the bill are pretty much only for dogs.  I don&#8217;t know if that&#8217;s good or bad - but it&#8217;s interesting.</p>
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		<title>By: Andrea 2CatMom</title>
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		<dc:creator>Andrea 2CatMom</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 06 Jul 2007 14:17:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Other Pat - I do see your point, and I do see the flaws in this bill.  I&#039;m not supporting the bill, just pointing out that sometimes the assumptions we make about adoption don&#039;t hold true everywhere.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Other Pat - I do see your point, and I do see the flaws in this bill.  I&#8217;m not supporting the bill, just pointing out that sometimes the assumptions we make about adoption don&#8217;t hold true everywhere.</p>
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		<title>By: The OTHER Pat</title>
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		<dc:creator>The OTHER Pat</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 06 Jul 2007 12:53:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>And again, Andrea 2CatMom - the examples you cite would NOT be addressed by AB1634.

&quot;animals that either got dumped by previous owners&quot;

Usually adults who - for whatever reason - are no longer &quot;desirable&quot;.

&quot;roaming unspayed female&quot;

A problem that AB1634 will do NOTHING to correct.

&quot;If the reason folks don’t want to adopt these cats is that they are not kittens, then I think that’s an education issue.&quot;

And there you hit the nail on the head.  Someone elsewhere mentioned &quot;serial owner&quot; - people who get the cute little puppy or kitten, and then - when  it outgrows its &quot;baby cuteness&quot; - they dump it for another &quot;cute baby&quot;.  Sure - AB1634 would make it a bit harder for these people because &quot;cute babies&quot; would become less available.   But that would impact EVERYONE - not just serial owners.

The shelter statistics (for dogs, at least) show that the overwhelming majority of animals in shelters are adolescent rambunctious dogs that the owners turned in because they didn&#039;t know how (or weren&#039;t interested in) dealing with.  If we can KEEP these dogs in their homes (education, education, education) then those dogs don&#039;t fall under threat of death by euthanasia.

Solutions need to fit problems.  And your post is a nice illustration of another reason why AB1634 does NOT fit.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>And again, Andrea 2CatMom - the examples you cite would NOT be addressed by AB1634.</p>
<p>&#8220;animals that either got dumped by previous owners&#8221;</p>
<p>Usually adults who - for whatever reason - are no longer &#8220;desirable&#8221;.</p>
<p>&#8220;roaming unspayed female&#8221;</p>
<p>A problem that AB1634 will do NOTHING to correct.</p>
<p>&#8220;If the reason folks don’t want to adopt these cats is that they are not kittens, then I think that’s an education issue.&#8221;</p>
<p>And there you hit the nail on the head.  Someone elsewhere mentioned &#8220;serial owner&#8221; - people who get the cute little puppy or kitten, and then - when  it outgrows its &#8220;baby cuteness&#8221; - they dump it for another &#8220;cute baby&#8221;.  Sure - AB1634 would make it a bit harder for these people because &#8220;cute babies&#8221; would become less available.   But that would impact EVERYONE - not just serial owners.</p>
<p>The shelter statistics (for dogs, at least) show that the overwhelming majority of animals in shelters are adolescent rambunctious dogs that the owners turned in because they didn&#8217;t know how (or weren&#8217;t interested in) dealing with.  If we can KEEP these dogs in their homes (education, education, education) then those dogs don&#8217;t fall under threat of death by euthanasia.</p>
<p>Solutions need to fit problems.  And your post is a nice illustration of another reason why AB1634 does NOT fit.</p>
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		<title>By: Andrea 2CatMom</title>
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		<dc:creator>Andrea 2CatMom</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 06 Jul 2007 03:35:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Gina - I must disagree with your blanket statement that there are not a surplus of homeless pets that people want to adopt, at least where cats are concerned.  

There are 4 no kill cat only shelters in Chicago proper with numerous young sociable cats waiting for homes.  These aren&#039;t old or sick animals, or feral or pathologically shy, just animals that either got dumped by previous owners, were born to a roaming unspayed female - whatever. 
 
My two adopted cats were both Chicago street rescues - the female was a very young when she was found but didn&#039;t get adopted until she was almost a year old.  A little shy, but nothing that hasn&#039;t been overcome.  My male was about a year and a half, friendly, loves people, a little rowdy like most young males.  The no kill shelter I went to probably had close to 100 cats - eliminating the really difficult cases would have left me with about 70 cats to choose from.  Fortunately, the male chose me, and the shelter director recommended the female as a good counterpoint.  If the reason folks don&#039;t want to adopt these cats is that they are not kittens, then I think that&#039;s an education issue.

I can&#039;t speak to the dog situation - I&#039;m not involved with dog rescue. I suspect that your statement holds truer for dogs. The range of size alone is much more an issue than with a cat.  And unless a cat is completely feral, most cats don&#039;t represent a potential danger to others. And it seems that there are an over abundance of breeds - especially pit bulls that are difficult to place.

As you&#039;ve said before, the problem varies from location to location.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Gina - I must disagree with your blanket statement that there are not a surplus of homeless pets that people want to adopt, at least where cats are concerned.  </p>
<p>There are 4 no kill cat only shelters in Chicago proper with numerous young sociable cats waiting for homes.  These aren&#8217;t old or sick animals, or feral or pathologically shy, just animals that either got dumped by previous owners, were born to a roaming unspayed female - whatever. </p>
<p>My two adopted cats were both Chicago street rescues - the female was a very young when she was found but didn&#8217;t get adopted until she was almost a year old.  A little shy, but nothing that hasn&#8217;t been overcome.  My male was about a year and a half, friendly, loves people, a little rowdy like most young males.  The no kill shelter I went to probably had close to 100 cats - eliminating the really difficult cases would have left me with about 70 cats to choose from.  Fortunately, the male chose me, and the shelter director recommended the female as a good counterpoint.  If the reason folks don&#8217;t want to adopt these cats is that they are not kittens, then I think that&#8217;s an education issue.</p>
<p>I can&#8217;t speak to the dog situation - I&#8217;m not involved with dog rescue. I suspect that your statement holds truer for dogs. The range of size alone is much more an issue than with a cat.  And unless a cat is completely feral, most cats don&#8217;t represent a potential danger to others. And it seems that there are an over abundance of breeds - especially pit bulls that are difficult to place.</p>
<p>As you&#8217;ve said before, the problem varies from location to location.</p>
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		<title>By: Trudy Jackson</title>
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		<dc:creator>Trudy Jackson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 06 Jul 2007 00:24:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>OT- But did you all know that Hills SD does testing on live animals? You&#039;d think i would know that [duh] but a vet has just said so, it is true. i wish We had a list of all PFI that test on animals.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>OT- But did you all know that Hills SD does testing on live animals? You&#8217;d think i would know that [duh] but a vet has just said so, it is true. i wish We had a list of all PFI that test on animals.</p>
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		<title>By: straybaby</title>
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		<dc:creator>straybaby</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 06 Jul 2007 00:04:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Comment by Jamie — July 5, 2007 @ 3:13 pm

how much rescue do you do?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Comment by Jamie — July 5, 2007 @ 3:13 pm</p>
<p>how much rescue do you do?</p>
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		<title>By: The OTHER Pat</title>
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		<dc:creator>The OTHER Pat</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 05 Jul 2007 23:20:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Jamie - the breeder of my dog is one of the most influential breeders in the breed.  A dog of her breeding won Best in Show at Westminster a number of years ago.

Let me tell you about the first time I went to her house to meet her and her dogs.  There were lots of lovely dogs running around, and a few puppies.

Then she introduced me to her newest &quot;addition&quot; - a senior girl rescued from a puppy mill (no money was spent for this girl) because she could no longer breed.

Oh - and the fact that she had been bred to exhaustion (depleting her calcium reserves) and had never received any kind of dental care in her life meant that she had virtually no teeth left and her jaw had broken in several places from sheer weakness.

My breeder had already spent hundreds to start wiring up this little girl&#039;s jaw, and wasn&#039;t done spending money on her yet.  And as far as she was concerned, this little girl was &quot;home&quot;.  She wasn&#039;t going to be putting her through any more trauma.

That&#039;s just one example, Jamie, of how Responsible Breeders pitch in to help the unfortunate dogs who have fallen through the cracks because the breeder who brought them into this world isn&#039;t responsible enough to see that they are cared for their whole lives.

Now, tell me again about how Responsible Breeders *only* care for &quot;their&quot; dogs.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jamie - the breeder of my dog is one of the most influential breeders in the breed.  A dog of her breeding won Best in Show at Westminster a number of years ago.</p>
<p>Let me tell you about the first time I went to her house to meet her and her dogs.  There were lots of lovely dogs running around, and a few puppies.</p>
<p>Then she introduced me to her newest &#8220;addition&#8221; - a senior girl rescued from a puppy mill (no money was spent for this girl) because she could no longer breed.</p>
<p>Oh - and the fact that she had been bred to exhaustion (depleting her calcium reserves) and had never received any kind of dental care in her life meant that she had virtually no teeth left and her jaw had broken in several places from sheer weakness.</p>
<p>My breeder had already spent hundreds to start wiring up this little girl&#8217;s jaw, and wasn&#8217;t done spending money on her yet.  And as far as she was concerned, this little girl was &#8220;home&#8221;.  She wasn&#8217;t going to be putting her through any more trauma.</p>
<p>That&#8217;s just one example, Jamie, of how Responsible Breeders pitch in to help the unfortunate dogs who have fallen through the cracks because the breeder who brought them into this world isn&#8217;t responsible enough to see that they are cared for their whole lives.</p>
<p>Now, tell me again about how Responsible Breeders *only* care for &#8220;their&#8221; dogs.</p>
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		<title>By: The OTHER Pat</title>
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		<dc:creator>The OTHER Pat</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 05 Jul 2007 23:01:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Every Responsible Breeder I know (I am not a breeder) participates in rescue.

Every breed association I know of runs a rescue organization as well.

Apparently there is still a lot you don&#039;t know about what purebred dog fanciers are involved in.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Every Responsible Breeder I know (I am not a breeder) participates in rescue.</p>
<p>Every breed association I know of runs a rescue organization as well.</p>
<p>Apparently there is still a lot you don&#8217;t know about what purebred dog fanciers are involved in.</p>
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		<title>By: Jamie</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jamie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 05 Jul 2007 22:13:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You care about “Breeding” the best purebred dog. You care about who receives your puppies. You want the best situation for your love, for your hearts desire - for your dogs. Do you rescue the mutt abandoned or open your car door to the old dog or dying dog or homeless reject with a torn tongue or a missing tail? Do you nurse them back to life and train and find homes for them. Does your heart break when you see a dead dog by the side of the road? I do not know you and I do not know your answers to these questions, but I do believe that a larger view of the plight of these trash animals needs to be given priority over the needs of any individual. There will always be the purebred and if you show your dogs, once a year is all, or put your dog in a competition, then you have no worry. But I worry for those lost dogs that suffer in the heat or whose bodies are ravaged by the crash of metal and they die alone or suffer by the side of the road until their heart no longer beats. I would think the purebred breeders could in some way see they will not be hurt by this bill, maybe inconvenienced, but if we lessen the suffering of the unwanted and rejected animals then our society has advanced - we are helping to end the suffering of those that cannot help themselves. This requires sacrifice – not of the one, but of the many.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You care about “Breeding” the best purebred dog. You care about who receives your puppies. You want the best situation for your love, for your hearts desire - for your dogs. Do you rescue the mutt abandoned or open your car door to the old dog or dying dog or homeless reject with a torn tongue or a missing tail? Do you nurse them back to life and train and find homes for them. Does your heart break when you see a dead dog by the side of the road? I do not know you and I do not know your answers to these questions, but I do believe that a larger view of the plight of these trash animals needs to be given priority over the needs of any individual. There will always be the purebred and if you show your dogs, once a year is all, or put your dog in a competition, then you have no worry. But I worry for those lost dogs that suffer in the heat or whose bodies are ravaged by the crash of metal and they die alone or suffer by the side of the road until their heart no longer beats. I would think the purebred breeders could in some way see they will not be hurt by this bill, maybe inconvenienced, but if we lessen the suffering of the unwanted and rejected animals then our society has advanced - we are helping to end the suffering of those that cannot help themselves. This requires sacrifice – not of the one, but of the many.</p>
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