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		<title>By: Linda</title>
		<link>http://www.petconnection.com/blog/2007/05/28/in-remembrance-the-dogs-of-war/comment-page-1/#comment-72144</link>
		<dc:creator>Linda</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 29 May 2007 12:00:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Oh Katie, such a beautiful story about of your dog and the dreams and visits. I too believe that our pets that have passed come back and touch our lives in a &quot;real&quot; way - there&#039;s so much we don&#039;t understand but if we stop and listen and focus and let the worries of our daily lives slip away - we are given glimpses into something truly magnificent and wonderful - 

I also think that if we don&#039;t allow our dogs to pass, that if we grieve too deeply for them and become locked in sorrow that, that can even affect our departed ones - and their spirit isn&#039;t released to be happy and rejoice in heaven.

I&#039;ve had dreams and visions of a dog I dearly loved romping in green fields and playing with horses and being loved - 

such sweet memories.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Oh Katie, such a beautiful story about of your dog and the dreams and visits. I too believe that our pets that have passed come back and touch our lives in a &#8220;real&#8221; way - there&#8217;s so much we don&#8217;t understand but if we stop and listen and focus and let the worries of our daily lives slip away - we are given glimpses into something truly magnificent and wonderful - </p>
<p>I also think that if we don&#8217;t allow our dogs to pass, that if we grieve too deeply for them and become locked in sorrow that, that can even affect our departed ones - and their spirit isn&#8217;t released to be happy and rejoice in heaven.</p>
<p>I&#8217;ve had dreams and visions of a dog I dearly loved romping in green fields and playing with horses and being loved - </p>
<p>such sweet memories.</p>
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		<title>By: Linda</title>
		<link>http://www.petconnection.com/blog/2007/05/28/in-remembrance-the-dogs-of-war/comment-page-1/#comment-72022</link>
		<dc:creator>Linda</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 29 May 2007 04:14:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I can only speak from my experience and the many books and articles I&#039;ve read and the people I&#039;ve worked under. Some of the stories just break your heart. But I&#039;m a big softie when it comes to my dogs and I do believe animals are almost supernatural - meaning they live beyond their flesh.

For all those that have lost pets, I hope there is some comfort in that these animals that have given so much love are with God, as God is love and draws all souls, animal or human, to him - all those that have given and receive love when they pass are in heaven in God&#039;s tender embrace.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I can only speak from my experience and the many books and articles I&#8217;ve read and the people I&#8217;ve worked under. Some of the stories just break your heart. But I&#8217;m a big softie when it comes to my dogs and I do believe animals are almost supernatural - meaning they live beyond their flesh.</p>
<p>For all those that have lost pets, I hope there is some comfort in that these animals that have given so much love are with God, as God is love and draws all souls, animal or human, to him - all those that have given and receive love when they pass are in heaven in God&#8217;s tender embrace.</p>
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		<title>By: Laura</title>
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		<dc:creator>Laura</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 29 May 2007 03:31:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think we should all honor ALL the dogs and handlers that work to keep us safe in so many ways - from those in Iraq to those at the Twin Towers to those at the airport and the borders.  

Do they grieve? I&#039;m certain they do.  Even for those they don&#039;t know (sorry, Gina) - I can remember multiple articles after 9-11 about that. Maybe they were feeling what their handlers felt, maybe not. I&#039;ve read many stories about S&amp;R dogs getting depressed when they can&#039;t find anything alive. 

But I think it&#039;s also important for us American petlovers to remember all the dogs, cats, and other pets that become the unintended victims of war, at our hands or others.  I know the sad history of the dogs (ours and native) who were left (or worse) in Vietnam, but I&#039;m hopeful it&#039;s different this time. 

I loved this story that came out this weekend: http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/18871405/
I&#039;m so sorry for the man&#039;s family, but I&#039;m glad they were able to work this out - it&#039;s good news all around.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think we should all honor ALL the dogs and handlers that work to keep us safe in so many ways - from those in Iraq to those at the Twin Towers to those at the airport and the borders.  </p>
<p>Do they grieve? I&#8217;m certain they do.  Even for those they don&#8217;t know (sorry, Gina) - I can remember multiple articles after 9-11 about that. Maybe they were feeling what their handlers felt, maybe not. I&#8217;ve read many stories about S&amp;R dogs getting depressed when they can&#8217;t find anything alive. </p>
<p>But I think it&#8217;s also important for us American petlovers to remember all the dogs, cats, and other pets that become the unintended victims of war, at our hands or others.  I know the sad history of the dogs (ours and native) who were left (or worse) in Vietnam, but I&#8217;m hopeful it&#8217;s different this time. </p>
<p>I loved this story that came out this weekend: <a href="http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/18871405/" rel="nofollow">http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/18871405/</a><br />
I&#8217;m so sorry for the man&#8217;s family, but I&#8217;m glad they were able to work this out - it&#8217;s good news all around.</p>
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		<title>By: Katie</title>
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		<dc:creator>Katie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 29 May 2007 02:11:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think dogs have a lot more emotion than we believe. Our dog at home would not go into my bedroom when I left for college. It wasn&#039;t till I came home the first time that it made things okay, there after, she went into that room without a problem.

I know my dogs have grieved when a member of the pack has left them. Some take longer than others to adjust.  I had one dog, who for days searched for their lost bud.

S&amp;R: we trained a dog for that. To keep them up and not depressed, we had a favorite toy and lots of play. Also, had living people hide just so they could find someone.

Dogs of owners who have died, have grieved for days and months.

Linda, I believe there is a doggie heaven/rainbow bridge. When my male heart dog passed away. He visited for a year and a half. I really worried about what had happened to him and thought it would be horrible if he came back to someone who didn&#039;t love him. In my dream he took me to a place, I had never seen, and dogs and animals running up and down fields and hills totally unfamiliar to me. I believe he wanted me to know that he was &quot;safe and happy&quot; and my grieving time was over.

No one will ever be able to convince me that animals don&#039;t think or feel on some level.

Katie</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think dogs have a lot more emotion than we believe. Our dog at home would not go into my bedroom when I left for college. It wasn&#8217;t till I came home the first time that it made things okay, there after, she went into that room without a problem.</p>
<p>I know my dogs have grieved when a member of the pack has left them. Some take longer than others to adjust.  I had one dog, who for days searched for their lost bud.</p>
<p>S&amp;R: we trained a dog for that. To keep them up and not depressed, we had a favorite toy and lots of play. Also, had living people hide just so they could find someone.</p>
<p>Dogs of owners who have died, have grieved for days and months.</p>
<p>Linda, I believe there is a doggie heaven/rainbow bridge. When my male heart dog passed away. He visited for a year and a half. I really worried about what had happened to him and thought it would be horrible if he came back to someone who didn&#8217;t love him. In my dream he took me to a place, I had never seen, and dogs and animals running up and down fields and hills totally unfamiliar to me. I believe he wanted me to know that he was &#8220;safe and happy&#8221; and my grieving time was over.</p>
<p>No one will ever be able to convince me that animals don&#8217;t think or feel on some level.</p>
<p>Katie</p>
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		<title>By: Linda</title>
		<link>http://www.petconnection.com/blog/2007/05/28/in-remembrance-the-dogs-of-war/comment-page-1/#comment-71996</link>
		<dc:creator>Linda</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 29 May 2007 01:45:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Oh, I wanted to mention the sensitive nature of dogs. My Moses had a growth on his leg and it was stage 2 - not good but not the worst. The vet removed it, but when it was small and before it looked worrisome, one of my dogs wouldn&#039;t stop sniffing it. And I thought at the time, I bet this is a bad one. Sure enough. I&#039;ve learned to trust my dogs. But that&#039;s just me. Call me foolish. If my dog is uneasy or doesn&#039;t like someone, I pay attention. They have a special link to the other side - and see and know more than most humans give them credit.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Oh, I wanted to mention the sensitive nature of dogs. My Moses had a growth on his leg and it was stage 2 - not good but not the worst. The vet removed it, but when it was small and before it looked worrisome, one of my dogs wouldn&#8217;t stop sniffing it. And I thought at the time, I bet this is a bad one. Sure enough. I&#8217;ve learned to trust my dogs. But that&#8217;s just me. Call me foolish. If my dog is uneasy or doesn&#8217;t like someone, I pay attention. They have a special link to the other side - and see and know more than most humans give them credit.</p>
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		<title>By: Linda</title>
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		<dc:creator>Linda</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 29 May 2007 00:21:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>They become depressed not just grieve as in the loss of a friend - I mean grieve when faced with finding a dead body instead of finding one that is alive. Laying down, sad eyes, whine, whimper, refuse to move = what? depressed or call it what you like - the animal suffers emotionally.

I have some good stories that I will post from Newspapers etc and journals showing the difference.

I have done much reading and much training with my dog. This is my take on it and I&#039;m sharing my experience. There&#039;s lots of opinions floating about. We take what we wish and discard the rest. That&#039;s okay.

I did a favor for a friend and took my dog out to look for a cat that had been missing a week. My dog went straight away to cross the residential street in front of the woman&#039;s house, stopped by the trees, and then headed for a busy intersection, cars and all, then he crossed the intersection, stopped at the side of the street, wouldn&#039;t leave the stop by the road, then wanted to return to the car and search no more. I do believe her cat was hit by a car, but I couldn&#039;t tell for sure, of course, only that my dog refused to look further. He was a very unhappy dog. 

I think when someone works a dog and knows a dog then they can pick up subtle signs that others may miss. I know two really good stories, one a trained S&amp;R dog that is in a journal from the man who helped me train and another from a newspaper account with an untrained S&amp;R dog.

We can call it what we like, grieve, depressed but until you work a dog, and know its emotional states in these situations, then it&#039;s all just second guesses. 

I think dogs go to heaven and have souls too. I  think they have a rich emotional life and a sensitive dog feels emotional trauma when people die, not just their family members, but dogs that search for lost and missing strangers - a dead find is a sad find for the dog.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>They become depressed not just grieve as in the loss of a friend - I mean grieve when faced with finding a dead body instead of finding one that is alive. Laying down, sad eyes, whine, whimper, refuse to move = what? depressed or call it what you like - the animal suffers emotionally.</p>
<p>I have some good stories that I will post from Newspapers etc and journals showing the difference.</p>
<p>I have done much reading and much training with my dog. This is my take on it and I&#8217;m sharing my experience. There&#8217;s lots of opinions floating about. We take what we wish and discard the rest. That&#8217;s okay.</p>
<p>I did a favor for a friend and took my dog out to look for a cat that had been missing a week. My dog went straight away to cross the residential street in front of the woman&#8217;s house, stopped by the trees, and then headed for a busy intersection, cars and all, then he crossed the intersection, stopped at the side of the street, wouldn&#8217;t leave the stop by the road, then wanted to return to the car and search no more. I do believe her cat was hit by a car, but I couldn&#8217;t tell for sure, of course, only that my dog refused to look further. He was a very unhappy dog. </p>
<p>I think when someone works a dog and knows a dog then they can pick up subtle signs that others may miss. I know two really good stories, one a trained S&amp;R dog that is in a journal from the man who helped me train and another from a newspaper account with an untrained S&amp;R dog.</p>
<p>We can call it what we like, grieve, depressed but until you work a dog, and know its emotional states in these situations, then it&#8217;s all just second guesses. </p>
<p>I think dogs go to heaven and have souls too. I  think they have a rich emotional life and a sensitive dog feels emotional trauma when people die, not just their family members, but dogs that search for lost and missing strangers - a dead find is a sad find for the dog.</p>
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		<title>By: Donna</title>
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		<dc:creator>Donna</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 28 May 2007 23:09:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I remember an interview with a S&amp;R handler during 9/11.  The handler said the dogs would sometimes become &quot;depressed&quot; or frustrated (can&#039;t recall the exact term they used) because they were searching for such long periods of time and not finding anything.  One handler said they would occasionally plant an article of clothing or something and let the dog find it so the dog would experience a successful search and then be rewarded.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I remember an interview with a S&amp;R handler during 9/11.  The handler said the dogs would sometimes become &#8220;depressed&#8221; or frustrated (can&#8217;t recall the exact term they used) because they were searching for such long periods of time and not finding anything.  One handler said they would occasionally plant an article of clothing or something and let the dog find it so the dog would experience a successful search and then be rewarded.</p>
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		<title>By: Gina Spadafori</title>
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		<dc:creator>Gina Spadafori</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 28 May 2007 22:22:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;I didn&#039;t say they didn&#039;t grieve. I said that the smell of death of people or animals they don&#039;t know doesn&#039;t trigger the grieving. &lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Do you think your dogs grieve when another dog in your home dies? &lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Do you think your dog grieves when you pass a dog who has been hit by a car and killed? &lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;I bet in the first instance, you think your dogs grieve. (I do.) I bet in the second you think your dog doesn&#039;t react. &lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;That&#039;s the difference, see?&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I didn&#8217;t say they didn&#8217;t grieve. I said that the smell of death of people or animals they don&#8217;t know doesn&#8217;t trigger the grieving. </p>
<p>Do you think your dogs grieve when another dog in your home dies? </p>
<p>Do you think your dog grieves when you pass a dog who has been hit by a car and killed? </p>
<p>I bet in the first instance, you think your dogs grieve. (I do.) I bet in the second you think your dog doesn&#8217;t react. </p>
<p>That&#8217;s the difference, see?</p>
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		<title>By: Linda</title>
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		<dc:creator>Linda</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 28 May 2007 22:09:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well they do grieve. And death makes them depressed and I will search out my reference and post it. Of course, you can call it what you like, and I assume many will who want to use dogs in circumstances such as war and S&amp;R in earthquakes etc. and they will not agree. Many opinions out there. The death is human death, not coyote death, and dogs that are bonded to humans grieve and become depressed around human death. 

By the way, I&#039;ve met some real jerks in S&amp;R who I guarantee will not agree otherwise they&#039;d have to face a moral decision - am I asking too much of my dog(s).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well they do grieve. And death makes them depressed and I will search out my reference and post it. Of course, you can call it what you like, and I assume many will who want to use dogs in circumstances such as war and S&amp;R in earthquakes etc. and they will not agree. Many opinions out there. The death is human death, not coyote death, and dogs that are bonded to humans grieve and become depressed around human death. </p>
<p>By the way, I&#8217;ve met some real jerks in S&amp;R who I guarantee will not agree otherwise they&#8217;d have to face a moral decision - am I asking too much of my dog(s).</p>
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		<title>By: Gina Spadafori</title>
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		<dc:creator>Gina Spadafori</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 28 May 2007 22:01:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Interesting thing ... 

I specifically asked if dogs grieve when faced with dead bodies, as in the case of search-and-rescue dogs, for &quot;Why Do Dogs Drink Out of the Toilet?&quot; the book Dr. Becker and I wrote. 

Guess what? They don&#039;t. 

The answer of why not makes sense. Dogs are predators. For predators, the smell of death is a good thing -- it means dinner.

What dogs are exhibiting is a combination of exhaustion and a reaction to the emotion of their handlers. 

But the &quot;smell of death&quot; without context doesn&#039;t bother them at all, at least not in a negative sense.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Interesting thing &#8230; </p>
<p>I specifically asked if dogs grieve when faced with dead bodies, as in the case of search-and-rescue dogs, for &#8220;Why Do Dogs Drink Out of the Toilet?&#8221; the book Dr. Becker and I wrote. </p>
<p>Guess what? They don&#8217;t. </p>
<p>The answer of why not makes sense. Dogs are predators. For predators, the smell of death is a good thing &#8212; it means dinner.</p>
<p>What dogs are exhibiting is a combination of exhaustion and a reaction to the emotion of their handlers. </p>
<p>But the &#8220;smell of death&#8221; without context doesn&#8217;t bother them at all, at least not in a negative sense.</p>
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