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		<title>By: siameezer</title>
		<link>http://www.petconnection.com/blog/2007/05/24/heritagebreeds/comment-page-1/#comment-79309</link>
		<dc:creator>siameezer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 10 Jun 2007 03:46:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Katherine wrote:

I have to say, though… I really like Siamese cats. We had one when I was a kid, and he was a great cat—smart, outgoing, sweet… I don’t have one now, because I can’t justify spending that much money on a cat with all the alley cats in the pound needing homes. If I ever get one, it’ll be from Siamese rescue, possibly an adult.
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Meezers rock!  As does Siamese Rescue (www.meezer.com), which saves thousands of pointed cats, some of whom are &#039;typey&#039; and some of whom aren&#039;t.  (Such as my Supreme Grand Master Household Pet raggie-wannabee Humphrey, whom they saved just because he had red points and was slated to be killed.)

If you want to hang out with meezer folks, many of whom do rescue, come to &#039;Planet Meezer&#039; (planetmeezer.com).  You&#039;d be most welcome there!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Katherine wrote:</p>
<p>I have to say, though… I really like Siamese cats. We had one when I was a kid, and he was a great cat—smart, outgoing, sweet… I don’t have one now, because I can’t justify spending that much money on a cat with all the alley cats in the pound needing homes. If I ever get one, it’ll be from Siamese rescue, possibly an adult.<br />
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<p>Meezers rock!  As does Siamese Rescue (www.meezer.com), which saves thousands of pointed cats, some of whom are &#8216;typey&#8217; and some of whom aren&#8217;t.  (Such as my Supreme Grand Master Household Pet raggie-wannabee Humphrey, whom they saved just because he had red points and was slated to be killed.)</p>
<p>If you want to hang out with meezer folks, many of whom do rescue, come to &#8216;Planet Meezer&#8217; (planetmeezer.com).  You&#8217;d be most welcome there!</p>
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		<title>By: Linda</title>
		<link>http://www.petconnection.com/blog/2007/05/24/heritagebreeds/comment-page-1/#comment-71119</link>
		<dc:creator>Linda</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 26 May 2007 13:11:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sandy,

I would move out of CA too if this bill passes. I am a native CA and I love CA but I refuse to submit to insanity.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sandy,</p>
<p>I would move out of CA too if this bill passes. I am a native CA and I love CA but I refuse to submit to insanity.</p>
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		<title>By: Sandy</title>
		<link>http://www.petconnection.com/blog/2007/05/24/heritagebreeds/comment-page-1/#comment-70890</link>
		<dc:creator>Sandy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 25 May 2007 21:22:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Some have questioned why breeders would object to this bill when they can get a special &quot;license&quot; to keep intact dogs.  Read the bill.  The dog must meet certain criteria...it must be shown during certain times, and most objectionable...someone who gets this license gives up a basic constitutional right to allow animal control onto their property at any time to &quot;inspect&quot; the conditions under which they are kept. Now I have a few dogs that once were shown and which I have not bred, but might as they mature. They often finish at 9 months, too young to show as a champion but also too young to breed. They wuold not fit the bill&#039;s criteria.

Plus, under this bill, if I have a license for an intact dog, now I have to allow the authorities to search my home without a warrant at their leisure if for some reason my neighbor decides I have a rusty faucet that they are drinking water from, etc.?  

Why would I give up a constitutional right that every other citizen enjoys, including ranchers, farmers and other breeders of other animals? Even  your basic drug dealer has more rights.

I won&#039;t.  If this bill passes I am moving out of CA.  That is it last straw.  I have saved dozens of pets, my husband founded and leads a shelter auxiliary that has raised funds to provide needed medical aid and facilities; I have trained new &quot;pet&quot; owners so they can keep their unruly pets rather than dump them when they get too rowdy; and I have funded counless rescue organizations.  If these groups can&#039;t recognize the contribution our purebred fanciers provide, then I quit.  I have been called names and accosted by groups that have come to me in the past for money and support.  So now we know how much that counts for.  I will move to a state, as much as I hate to leave, where I can live in some dgree of privacy and independence without someone who knows better than I do about my business telling me what to do.  

Oh yes...can I also share data that shows the detrimental effects of early spay neuter?  Ok..that is a post for later.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Some have questioned why breeders would object to this bill when they can get a special &#8220;license&#8221; to keep intact dogs.  Read the bill.  The dog must meet certain criteria&#8230;it must be shown during certain times, and most objectionable&#8230;someone who gets this license gives up a basic constitutional right to allow animal control onto their property at any time to &#8220;inspect&#8221; the conditions under which they are kept. Now I have a few dogs that once were shown and which I have not bred, but might as they mature. They often finish at 9 months, too young to show as a champion but also too young to breed. They wuold not fit the bill&#8217;s criteria.</p>
<p>Plus, under this bill, if I have a license for an intact dog, now I have to allow the authorities to search my home without a warrant at their leisure if for some reason my neighbor decides I have a rusty faucet that they are drinking water from, etc.?  </p>
<p>Why would I give up a constitutional right that every other citizen enjoys, including ranchers, farmers and other breeders of other animals? Even  your basic drug dealer has more rights.</p>
<p>I won&#8217;t.  If this bill passes I am moving out of CA.  That is it last straw.  I have saved dozens of pets, my husband founded and leads a shelter auxiliary that has raised funds to provide needed medical aid and facilities; I have trained new &#8220;pet&#8221; owners so they can keep their unruly pets rather than dump them when they get too rowdy; and I have funded counless rescue organizations.  If these groups can&#8217;t recognize the contribution our purebred fanciers provide, then I quit.  I have been called names and accosted by groups that have come to me in the past for money and support.  So now we know how much that counts for.  I will move to a state, as much as I hate to leave, where I can live in some dgree of privacy and independence without someone who knows better than I do about my business telling me what to do.  </p>
<p>Oh yes&#8230;can I also share data that shows the detrimental effects of early spay neuter?  Ok..that is a post for later.</p>
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		<title>By: Linda</title>
		<link>http://www.petconnection.com/blog/2007/05/24/heritagebreeds/comment-page-1/#comment-70691</link>
		<dc:creator>Linda</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 25 May 2007 13:37:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Any dog I find a home for can always come back to me but for sure I want it never to go to a shelter or the county pound. But once the animal is out the door - how does one control the future even with the best of contracts - people move and life changes - so much of the dog&#039;s fate depends upon the good intentions of his caregivers.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Any dog I find a home for can always come back to me but for sure I want it never to go to a shelter or the county pound. But once the animal is out the door - how does one control the future even with the best of contracts - people move and life changes - so much of the dog&#8217;s fate depends upon the good intentions of his caregivers.</p>
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		<title>By: MLO</title>
		<link>http://www.petconnection.com/blog/2007/05/24/heritagebreeds/comment-page-1/#comment-70627</link>
		<dc:creator>MLO</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 25 May 2007 05:33:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;the contractual agreement as a condition of sale that the dog &lt;i&gt;comes back to me and only me&lt;/i&gt; if they can’t keep him or her for any reason in the future, &quot;

I have a real problem with this attitude among breeders.  A 7 year old dog who has come into a situation where he can no longer be with the original owner - through illness, divorce, economic hardship, etc. - may have an option that is better for the dog than the disruption of going back to a breeder&#039;s den.  Breeders always have multiple dogs, and some dogs are NOT social with other dogs.  Just like some humans are loners, some dogs are too.

In my mind, the dog is as much my responsibility as any other member of my family and is now a &quot;lastname insert here&quot; who has the full benefit of the entire familial network.  It is much less disruptive for an animal to be with a family member or close friend who has always been &quot;around&quot; the animal.  In my mind it is rather conceited to think &lt;i&gt;only&lt;/i&gt; the original breeder is qualified to select a proper home.

Thank God I have not been in that position, but my current pup is a rescue, and if anything happens, I know who I can rely on to take care of him - just as my parents know that I will step up if anything happens and their dog needs care.  (Of course, in her case half of the people who know her would want her and fully 95% would be wonderful peke parents.) 

I&#039;ve known my dog since he was a puppy, but the circumstances in his previous owner&#039;s life changed dramatically.  Smokey was never all that happy in the same house as his brother (same litter).  He is a one dog kind of dog.  It would be excessively cruel to put him in a multi-dog environment.  Thus, my friend, knowing that I was preparing to get married and had just moved into my husband&#039;s and my home, were perfect candidates.  Once my husband met Smokey, it was love at first site. (This is his first dog, always had cats before.)

Now, part of me understands why breeders want to say and do this, but it smacks of patronizing high-handedness if you have thoroughly vetted the person acquiring the dog.  The question should be the same one you ask someone about their children - or other human dependents - when it comes to future care if that person is no longer able to care for the animal.  If the person cannot produce a plan of any sort, leave the option to bring the animal back open, but requiring it is just plain wrong.  

I don&#039;t care how well you think you know the pup, only the people who live with that dog know that dog well enough to know whether a new situation is right for the dog - at least if they were well-vetted to begin with.  Now, if the future dog parents have not been vetted to the degree that you are comfortable with their decision on the dog&#039;s care, you shouldn&#039;t be selling to them. Period.

Pax,

MLO</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;the contractual agreement as a condition of sale that the dog <i>comes back to me and only me</i> if they can’t keep him or her for any reason in the future, &#8220;</p>
<p>I have a real problem with this attitude among breeders.  A 7 year old dog who has come into a situation where he can no longer be with the original owner - through illness, divorce, economic hardship, etc. - may have an option that is better for the dog than the disruption of going back to a breeder&#8217;s den.  Breeders always have multiple dogs, and some dogs are NOT social with other dogs.  Just like some humans are loners, some dogs are too.</p>
<p>In my mind, the dog is as much my responsibility as any other member of my family and is now a &#8220;lastname insert here&#8221; who has the full benefit of the entire familial network.  It is much less disruptive for an animal to be with a family member or close friend who has always been &#8220;around&#8221; the animal.  In my mind it is rather conceited to think <i>only</i> the original breeder is qualified to select a proper home.</p>
<p>Thank God I have not been in that position, but my current pup is a rescue, and if anything happens, I know who I can rely on to take care of him - just as my parents know that I will step up if anything happens and their dog needs care.  (Of course, in her case half of the people who know her would want her and fully 95% would be wonderful peke parents.) </p>
<p>I&#8217;ve known my dog since he was a puppy, but the circumstances in his previous owner&#8217;s life changed dramatically.  Smokey was never all that happy in the same house as his brother (same litter).  He is a one dog kind of dog.  It would be excessively cruel to put him in a multi-dog environment.  Thus, my friend, knowing that I was preparing to get married and had just moved into my husband&#8217;s and my home, were perfect candidates.  Once my husband met Smokey, it was love at first site. (This is his first dog, always had cats before.)</p>
<p>Now, part of me understands why breeders want to say and do this, but it smacks of patronizing high-handedness if you have thoroughly vetted the person acquiring the dog.  The question should be the same one you ask someone about their children - or other human dependents - when it comes to future care if that person is no longer able to care for the animal.  If the person cannot produce a plan of any sort, leave the option to bring the animal back open, but requiring it is just plain wrong.  </p>
<p>I don&#8217;t care how well you think you know the pup, only the people who live with that dog know that dog well enough to know whether a new situation is right for the dog - at least if they were well-vetted to begin with.  Now, if the future dog parents have not been vetted to the degree that you are comfortable with their decision on the dog&#8217;s care, you shouldn&#8217;t be selling to them. Period.</p>
<p>Pax,</p>
<p>MLO</p>
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		<title>By: Linda</title>
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		<dc:creator>Linda</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 24 May 2007 23:09:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Oh, well I wonder if the owner laughed at the dog for his misdeed, thinking it was funny, or teased the dog to &quot;sig um&quot; or something like that. The dog obviously didn&#039;t want other people around - probably for some good reason we don&#039;t understand. Poor Dog living in this people hell - its only recourse to snap at calf muscles. Throwing food in and not really training the dog - stupid and tragic and yes it&#039;s the owner&#039;s fault for not training the dog or at least not taking proper care of it. Poor dog and poor people in it&#039;s reach.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Oh, well I wonder if the owner laughed at the dog for his misdeed, thinking it was funny, or teased the dog to &#8220;sig um&#8221; or something like that. The dog obviously didn&#8217;t want other people around - probably for some good reason we don&#8217;t understand. Poor Dog living in this people hell - its only recourse to snap at calf muscles. Throwing food in and not really training the dog - stupid and tragic and yes it&#8217;s the owner&#8217;s fault for not training the dog or at least not taking proper care of it. Poor dog and poor people in it&#8217;s reach.</p>
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		<title>By: Katherine</title>
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		<dc:creator>Katherine</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 24 May 2007 23:02:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I know.  My former downstairs neighbor&#039;s dog did literally take a chunk out of a jogger&#039;s calf.  Animal control seized the dog and was going to destroy him, but the owner showed up and cried and said he was really a good dog and promised to make him wear a muzzle whenever he was outside, so they relented and let him take the vicious beast home.  

He didn&#039;t make the dog wear a muzzle, of course.

That dog was just plain wrong in the head.  Whenever the guy went out of town he&#039;d leave the dog locked in his room and his roommates would throw food in and slam the door because they were afraid of him.  He also killed a litter of kittens and used to sneak up behind people with his teeth bared, going for the backs of their legs.  

The dog was just plain wrong in the head, but I blame his owner.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I know.  My former downstairs neighbor&#8217;s dog did literally take a chunk out of a jogger&#8217;s calf.  Animal control seized the dog and was going to destroy him, but the owner showed up and cried and said he was really a good dog and promised to make him wear a muzzle whenever he was outside, so they relented and let him take the vicious beast home.  </p>
<p>He didn&#8217;t make the dog wear a muzzle, of course.</p>
<p>That dog was just plain wrong in the head.  Whenever the guy went out of town he&#8217;d leave the dog locked in his room and his roommates would throw food in and slam the door because they were afraid of him.  He also killed a litter of kittens and used to sneak up behind people with his teeth bared, going for the backs of their legs.  </p>
<p>The dog was just plain wrong in the head, but I blame his owner.</p>
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		<title>By: Linda</title>
		<link>http://www.petconnection.com/blog/2007/05/24/heritagebreeds/comment-page-1/#comment-70502</link>
		<dc:creator>Linda</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 24 May 2007 21:46:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sorry, almost killed was an exaggeration - it was almost attacked and would probably have been almost killed.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sorry, almost killed was an exaggeration - it was almost attacked and would probably have been almost killed.</p>
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		<title>By: Linda</title>
		<link>http://www.petconnection.com/blog/2007/05/24/heritagebreeds/comment-page-1/#comment-70499</link>
		<dc:creator>Linda</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 24 May 2007 21:42:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hey, I could tell you stories about being chased and almost killed by a chow mix and the owner&#039;s didn&#039;t believe me even though I had witnesses. 

Owners think their dogs can do no wrong even when presented with evidence otherwise. Ugh!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hey, I could tell you stories about being chased and almost killed by a chow mix and the owner&#8217;s didn&#8217;t believe me even though I had witnesses. </p>
<p>Owners think their dogs can do no wrong even when presented with evidence otherwise. Ugh!</p>
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		<title>By: Katherine</title>
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		<dc:creator>Katherine</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 24 May 2007 21:27:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>No, Linda, they really don&#039;t.  Which is why I think most of the time it&#039;s not a dog problem at all.  It&#039;s an owner problem.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>No, Linda, they really don&#8217;t.  Which is why I think most of the time it&#8217;s not a dog problem at all.  It&#8217;s an owner problem.</p>
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