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		<title>By: Suzi</title>
		<link>http://www.petconnection.com/blog/2007/05/20/menu-others-say-no-more-ingredients-from-china/comment-page-2/#comment-70170</link>
		<dc:creator>Suzi</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 24 May 2007 02:40:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I finally got a reply from IAMS.  Just as Katie said, the email says &quot;supplier information is proprietary and not shared outside the company.&quot;
 
The email came from:

Karen Ann
Consumer Relations
P&amp;G Pet Care 

What the heck, here&#039;s the entire email.

&quot;Corn and corn grits are generally used as carbohydrates. Corn gluten is used as a protein. We DO NOT use corn gluten in any of our over-the-counter products. We use corn gluten in only two of our veterinary products:
Eukanuba Veterinary Diets dry Feline Multi-Stage Renal and Eukanuba Veterinary Diets Canine Advanced Stage Renal. These are
veterinarian-controlled foods and they are NOT part of the recall.

The pet food industry is competitive, so companies do not publicly share
their recipes or ingredient sourcing information.  Because of the recent
issues on processed vegetable proteins, we have made an exception to this rule and shared with our consumers that Iams and Eukanuba products currently on retailers&#039; shelves are not formulated with any processed vegetable
proteins (wheat gluten, corn gluten or rice concentrate protein). 

I wish I could be more helpful, but supplier information is proprietary  and not shared outside the company.&quot; 

The phrase &quot;currently on retailers&#039; shelves&quot; is troublesome.  In fact, the attitude of the company is troublesome.  I won&#039;t be buying IAMS again, that I know.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I finally got a reply from IAMS.  Just as Katie said, the email says &#8220;supplier information is proprietary and not shared outside the company.&#8221;</p>
<p>The email came from:</p>
<p>Karen Ann<br />
Consumer Relations<br />
P&amp;G Pet Care </p>
<p>What the heck, here&#8217;s the entire email.</p>
<p>&#8220;Corn and corn grits are generally used as carbohydrates. Corn gluten is used as a protein. We DO NOT use corn gluten in any of our over-the-counter products. We use corn gluten in only two of our veterinary products:<br />
Eukanuba Veterinary Diets dry Feline Multi-Stage Renal and Eukanuba Veterinary Diets Canine Advanced Stage Renal. These are<br />
veterinarian-controlled foods and they are NOT part of the recall.</p>
<p>The pet food industry is competitive, so companies do not publicly share<br />
their recipes or ingredient sourcing information.  Because of the recent<br />
issues on processed vegetable proteins, we have made an exception to this rule and shared with our consumers that Iams and Eukanuba products currently on retailers&#8217; shelves are not formulated with any processed vegetable<br />
proteins (wheat gluten, corn gluten or rice concentrate protein). </p>
<p>I wish I could be more helpful, but supplier information is proprietary  and not shared outside the company.&#8221; </p>
<p>The phrase &#8220;currently on retailers&#8217; shelves&#8221; is troublesome.  In fact, the attitude of the company is troublesome.  I won&#8217;t be buying IAMS again, that I know.</p>
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		<title>By: Lew Orban</title>
		<link>http://www.petconnection.com/blog/2007/05/20/menu-others-say-no-more-ingredients-from-china/comment-page-2/#comment-69445</link>
		<dc:creator>Lew Orban</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 22 May 2007 12:59:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Rather than “shut the door” on China ingredients, Pet Food Institute President Duane Ekedahl says better procedures are needed to ensure quality.

Duane must be an idiot...they bulldozed the plant before the FDA could inspect it! Laying on the ground was a Gold Trimmed Certification Seal!

These people have no brains........and are not Americans!

Obewan</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Rather than “shut the door” on China ingredients, Pet Food Institute President Duane Ekedahl says better procedures are needed to ensure quality.</p>
<p>Duane must be an idiot&#8230;they bulldozed the plant before the FDA could inspect it! Laying on the ground was a Gold Trimmed Certification Seal!</p>
<p>These people have no brains&#8230;&#8230;..and are not Americans!</p>
<p>Obewan</p>
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		<title>By: Lorna</title>
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		<dc:creator>Lorna</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 22 May 2007 12:31:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;Don’t they (IAMS and any other companies) realize that by not responding it just makes them look worse? It makes me wonder if they have something to hide.&quot;(Suzi)

Speaking of Iams and hiding,last week on the Guiding Light soap sprawled on one of the scene walls(of the outdoor cafe,if I remember)was the Iams logo.
And one of the characters in another scene had written a note for someone to look after feeding her dog.The chap reading the note said,&quot;Yams??&quot; and the response was that no that was an *I*,silly.!!
I&#039;ve noticed a paucity of dog food ads on TV(except The Good Life seems to be back)recently,but maybe they&#039;re going to start coming in the back door.
Wouldn&#039;t that be a surprize,given all we know about the large pet food companies now???

Lorna</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Don’t they (IAMS and any other companies) realize that by not responding it just makes them look worse? It makes me wonder if they have something to hide.&#8221;(Suzi)</p>
<p>Speaking of Iams and hiding,last week on the Guiding Light soap sprawled on one of the scene walls(of the outdoor cafe,if I remember)was the Iams logo.<br />
And one of the characters in another scene had written a note for someone to look after feeding her dog.The chap reading the note said,&#8221;Yams??&#8221; and the response was that no that was an *I*,silly.!!<br />
I&#8217;ve noticed a paucity of dog food ads on TV(except The Good Life seems to be back)recently,but maybe they&#8217;re going to start coming in the back door.<br />
Wouldn&#8217;t that be a surprize,given all we know about the large pet food companies now???</p>
<p>Lorna</p>
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		<title>By: Suzi</title>
		<link>http://www.petconnection.com/blog/2007/05/20/menu-others-say-no-more-ingredients-from-china/comment-page-2/#comment-69230</link>
		<dc:creator>Suzi</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 22 May 2007 01:44:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Donna and Katie,

Don&#039;t they (IAMS and any other companies) realize that by not responding it just makes them look worse?  It makes me wonder if they have something to hide. 

Since I lost my cat to the Royal Canin recalled food, I adopted a kitty from the local SPCA.  He was fed IAMS dry food there and seemed to be doing ok on it.  I got the same food for him when I first brought him home, but I&#039;ve since switched him to California Natural.  You can bet I won&#039;t buy anything from IAMS again, especially since they act as if they have something to hide.

I also contacted California Natural and got a response in just over 24 hours.  It was a canned response, but at least it was something, and none of their foods have been on the recall to my knowledge.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Donna and Katie,</p>
<p>Don&#8217;t they (IAMS and any other companies) realize that by not responding it just makes them look worse?  It makes me wonder if they have something to hide. </p>
<p>Since I lost my cat to the Royal Canin recalled food, I adopted a kitty from the local SPCA.  He was fed IAMS dry food there and seemed to be doing ok on it.  I got the same food for him when I first brought him home, but I&#8217;ve since switched him to California Natural.  You can bet I won&#8217;t buy anything from IAMS again, especially since they act as if they have something to hide.</p>
<p>I also contacted California Natural and got a response in just over 24 hours.  It was a canned response, but at least it was something, and none of their foods have been on the recall to my knowledge.</p>
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		<title>By: shibadiva</title>
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		<dc:creator>shibadiva</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 21 May 2007 22:34:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Lorna, thanks for posting the Greenpeace.ca GM list. I&#039;ve bookmarked it. So sad about Haagen-Dazs!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Lorna, thanks for posting the Greenpeace.ca GM list. I&#8217;ve bookmarked it. So sad about Haagen-Dazs!</p>
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		<title>By: MaKo</title>
		<link>http://www.petconnection.com/blog/2007/05/20/menu-others-say-no-more-ingredients-from-china/comment-page-2/#comment-68974</link>
		<dc:creator>MaKo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 21 May 2007 15:19:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;Rather than “shut the door” on China ingredients, Pet Food Institute President Duane Ekedahl says better procedures are needed to ensure quality.&lt;/i&gt;

I don&#039;t care what the PFI does or says.

*I* will shut my door to China, as much as possible, and my &#039;better procedures and quality control&#039; will involve buying organic, local, as unpoisoned as possible, and home cook.

People food or animal food doesn&#039;t make a difference: no poison in my house, if I can help it.

Menu: Too little, too late. I will not, repeat not, ever buy from any company that is somewhat connected to this &#039;Income Fund&#039; operation. I actually am considering reserving a bottle of Champagne for the day when I read that Menu Food Income Fund went belly-up.

To all companies out there, pet food or other: if you are linked, even by &#039;unconfirmed rumour&#039;, to Menu Food, I will not be using your products or services.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>Rather than “shut the door” on China ingredients, Pet Food Institute President Duane Ekedahl says better procedures are needed to ensure quality.</i></p>
<p>I don&#8217;t care what the PFI does or says.</p>
<p>*I* will shut my door to China, as much as possible, and my &#8216;better procedures and quality control&#8217; will involve buying organic, local, as unpoisoned as possible, and home cook.</p>
<p>People food or animal food doesn&#8217;t make a difference: no poison in my house, if I can help it.</p>
<p>Menu: Too little, too late. I will not, repeat not, ever buy from any company that is somewhat connected to this &#8216;Income Fund&#8217; operation. I actually am considering reserving a bottle of Champagne for the day when I read that Menu Food Income Fund went belly-up.</p>
<p>To all companies out there, pet food or other: if you are linked, even by &#8216;unconfirmed rumour&#8217;, to Menu Food, I will not be using your products or services.</p>
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		<title>By: E. Hamilton</title>
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		<dc:creator>E. Hamilton</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 21 May 2007 13:14:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Don&#039;t forget that if you call any pet food company, you can be EXTREMELY clear on how much confidence you have in a company that supports Duane and his daily insults to the people who BUY the products.

I don&#039;t care how good the product is, if they use the money _I_ pay for the product to pay someone like Duane to be rude to me then they can sure do without my money!

So if you call be sure and make your views on this substandard spokesperson known.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Don&#8217;t forget that if you call any pet food company, you can be EXTREMELY clear on how much confidence you have in a company that supports Duane and his daily insults to the people who BUY the products.</p>
<p>I don&#8217;t care how good the product is, if they use the money _I_ pay for the product to pay someone like Duane to be rude to me then they can sure do without my money!</p>
<p>So if you call be sure and make your views on this substandard spokesperson known.</p>
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		<title>By: Sandi K</title>
		<link>http://www.petconnection.com/blog/2007/05/20/menu-others-say-no-more-ingredients-from-china/comment-page-2/#comment-68819</link>
		<dc:creator>Sandi K</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 21 May 2007 05:39:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This was a statement from Duane Ekedahl earlier: “Our government cannot test every shipment into the United States, but what we can rely on is a system of certification,” he said.

And then above he says: &quot;Rather than “shut the door” on China ingredients, Pet Food Institute President Duane Ekedahl says better procedures are needed to ensure quality.

So Duane is being kind of vague, what exactly do you want Duane?  A set of &quot;certifications&quot; from China manufacturers saying their products are safe?  And let me guess, you would believe them too, wouldnt you?  Duane, I think its time you step out and tell everyone exactly what you want to ensure a safe product because I think its a big bunch of bull, you just want papers and an honor system and its all in the name of the almighty dollar.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This was a statement from Duane Ekedahl earlier: “Our government cannot test every shipment into the United States, but what we can rely on is a system of certification,” he said.</p>
<p>And then above he says: &#8220;Rather than “shut the door” on China ingredients, Pet Food Institute President Duane Ekedahl says better procedures are needed to ensure quality.</p>
<p>So Duane is being kind of vague, what exactly do you want Duane?  A set of &#8220;certifications&#8221; from China manufacturers saying their products are safe?  And let me guess, you would believe them too, wouldnt you?  Duane, I think its time you step out and tell everyone exactly what you want to ensure a safe product because I think its a big bunch of bull, you just want papers and an honor system and its all in the name of the almighty dollar.</p>
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		<title>By: Lew Orban</title>
		<link>http://www.petconnection.com/blog/2007/05/20/menu-others-say-no-more-ingredients-from-china/comment-page-2/#comment-68814</link>
		<dc:creator>Lew Orban</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 21 May 2007 05:31:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This decision to stop using China&#039;s processed foods by Menu and others is the only correct choice to make and yes the American choice! Its about time all these companies saw the light and understood that China has never had the American food companies best interests at heart....it has always been about China and China only. That has been evident now and in the past.....as these contamination practices have gone on for many years and are still going on today in all their food products.

Finally Americans with brains........and the strength of character to know when to end a very bad run.....profitable maybe... yet devastating to their own companies brand name and future business model and sales numbers.

I am proud of their choice to end these imports right now....this is the right choice and I hope al thel food manufacturers in the USA do the same as quickly as possible.

Obewan</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This decision to stop using China&#8217;s processed foods by Menu and others is the only correct choice to make and yes the American choice! Its about time all these companies saw the light and understood that China has never had the American food companies best interests at heart&#8230;.it has always been about China and China only. That has been evident now and in the past&#8230;..as these contamination practices have gone on for many years and are still going on today in all their food products.</p>
<p>Finally Americans with brains&#8230;&#8230;..and the strength of character to know when to end a very bad run&#8230;..profitable maybe&#8230; yet devastating to their own companies brand name and future business model and sales numbers.</p>
<p>I am proud of their choice to end these imports right now&#8230;.this is the right choice and I hope al thel food manufacturers in the USA do the same as quickly as possible.</p>
<p>Obewan</p>
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		<title>By: Sandi K</title>
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		<dc:creator>Sandi K</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 21 May 2007 05:04:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>http://www.alibaba.com/trade/servlet/page/static/help/contact_us_answer

I just posted an Alibaba link showing Binzhou Futian Biology Tech Co Ltd is still doing business as normal, selling all of their wonderful poisons!  My post hasnt shown up yet but maybe it will soon.  Anyhow, this link is to Alibaba&#039;s contact page and I just sent a message to Alibaba asking them to remove Binzhou Futian Biology Tech Co Ltd from their site, that they shouldnt be allowed to do business there as they are responsible for selling a fake product that resulted in the deaths of thousands of US pets.</description>
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<p>I just posted an Alibaba link showing Binzhou Futian Biology Tech Co Ltd is still doing business as normal, selling all of their wonderful poisons!  My post hasnt shown up yet but maybe it will soon.  Anyhow, this link is to Alibaba&#8217;s contact page and I just sent a message to Alibaba asking them to remove Binzhou Futian Biology Tech Co Ltd from their site, that they shouldnt be allowed to do business there as they are responsible for selling a fake product that resulted in the deaths of thousands of US pets.</p>
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