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	<title>Comments on: Pet food recall: Sunday night news and open thread</title>
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		<title>By: Palomino82</title>
		<link>http://www.petconnection.com/blog/2007/05/06/pet-food-recall-sunday-night-news-and-open-thread/comment-page-2/#comment-54521</link>
		<dc:creator>Palomino82</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 07 May 2007 18:01:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>NOW the FDA is complicit... If anyone can prove that the amounts in poultry and pork are in any way dangerous, its Acheson&#039;s JOB. Get on it, folks! Start eatin&#039; that chicken!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>NOW the FDA is complicit&#8230; If anyone can prove that the amounts in poultry and pork are in any way dangerous, its Acheson&#8217;s JOB. Get on it, folks! Start eatin&#8217; that chicken!</p>
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		<title>By: Peggy (AKA: Big Fat Momma Cat)</title>
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		<dc:creator>Peggy (AKA: Big Fat Momma Cat)</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 07 May 2007 15:30:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Carol, That is the problem, no testing for the other break-down products. No data to say what  the combination may do to us! They are far behind the ball on this. But yet want to say it is safe!!!

What a crock of BS!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Carol, That is the problem, no testing for the other break-down products. No data to say what  the combination may do to us! They are far behind the ball on this. But yet want to say it is safe!!!</p>
<p>What a crock of BS!</p>
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		<title>By: Peggy (AKA: Big Fat Momma Cat)</title>
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		<dc:creator>Peggy (AKA: Big Fat Momma Cat)</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 07 May 2007 15:26:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Purina Friskies and Fancy feast is a prime example. 

That crap is still on the market; it may not have melamine but it is most assuredly not nutritious!!!! 

I&#039;ve been screaming about that nasty food for weeks now and will continue to do so. 

The change in all 7 of my cats is dramatic! 

There is no way Friskies is nutritious. 

I am furious!!!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Purina Friskies and Fancy feast is a prime example. </p>
<p>That crap is still on the market; it may not have melamine but it is most assuredly not nutritious!!!! </p>
<p>I&#8217;ve been screaming about that nasty food for weeks now and will continue to do so. </p>
<p>The change in all 7 of my cats is dramatic! </p>
<p>There is no way Friskies is nutritious. </p>
<p>I am furious!!!</p>
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		<title>By: Carol PW</title>
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		<dc:creator>Carol PW</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 07 May 2007 15:25:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Peggy:

Melamine, cyanuric acid, ammeline and ammelide were all identified in the gluten, with melamine and cyanuric acid identified in the crystals. I haven&#039;t been able to tell if the rest are being tested for in screening the foods because not enough detail is being given. If melamine is being used as a &#039;tracer&#039; for the contamination, that may be the only thing they are looking for.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Peggy:</p>
<p>Melamine, cyanuric acid, ammeline and ammelide were all identified in the gluten, with melamine and cyanuric acid identified in the crystals. I haven&#8217;t been able to tell if the rest are being tested for in screening the foods because not enough detail is being given. If melamine is being used as a &#8216;tracer&#8217; for the contamination, that may be the only thing they are looking for.</p>
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		<title>By: Angela Flynn</title>
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		<dc:creator>Angela Flynn</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 07 May 2007 15:24:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m going to go out on a limb here.

I have been taking a training for the last month at a location that has cell phone towers.  A week ago on Saturday I felt like I got microwaved.  Then I started comparing my symptoms to the symptoms pets have been experiencing and realized that I had many of those symptoms in addition to the symptoms just from emfs.  I don&#039;t have health insurance or the money for doctors so I did some research and managed to get my health back on track through self medicating and physical therapy.

Melamine has been shown to break down into cyanuric acid, ammiline and ammilide when it is irradiated.  

So what my stretch is is that maybe pets are more sensitive to emfs from cell towers and that is what caused the melamine to have a more toxic effect.  It sounds like we have been eating this stuff for about fifteen years so something had to happen to increase the toxicity.

I have to admit that I have been skeptical of emf dangers.  But now that I have been doing research I have found studies indicating that it can

*Cause headaches and induce extreme fatigue
*Cause memory loss and mental confusion
*Precipitate cataracts, retina damage and eye cancer
*Create burning sensation and rash on the skin
*Damage nerves in the scalp
*Induce ringing in the ears, impair sense of smell
 *Create joint pain, muscle spasms and tremors
 *Cause digestive problems and raise bad cholesterol levels
*Alter the brain&#039;s electrical activity during sleep
*Open the blood-brain barrier to viruses and toxins
*Cause blood cells to leak hemoglobin
*Reduce the number and efficiency of white blood cells
*Stimulate asthma by producing histamine in mast cells
*Stress the endocrine system, especially pancreas, thyroid, ovaries, testes

The most disturging find is that it emfs are strongly linked to add and early onset of alzheimers.  Many cell phone towers are located at or near schools.  

As I said I know this is a bit of a stretch.  It would be interesting to do a study on the level of emfs correlated to the deaths.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m going to go out on a limb here.</p>
<p>I have been taking a training for the last month at a location that has cell phone towers.  A week ago on Saturday I felt like I got microwaved.  Then I started comparing my symptoms to the symptoms pets have been experiencing and realized that I had many of those symptoms in addition to the symptoms just from emfs.  I don&#8217;t have health insurance or the money for doctors so I did some research and managed to get my health back on track through self medicating and physical therapy.</p>
<p>Melamine has been shown to break down into cyanuric acid, ammiline and ammilide when it is irradiated.  </p>
<p>So what my stretch is is that maybe pets are more sensitive to emfs from cell towers and that is what caused the melamine to have a more toxic effect.  It sounds like we have been eating this stuff for about fifteen years so something had to happen to increase the toxicity.</p>
<p>I have to admit that I have been skeptical of emf dangers.  But now that I have been doing research I have found studies indicating that it can</p>
<p>*Cause headaches and induce extreme fatigue<br />
*Cause memory loss and mental confusion<br />
*Precipitate cataracts, retina damage and eye cancer<br />
*Create burning sensation and rash on the skin<br />
*Damage nerves in the scalp<br />
*Induce ringing in the ears, impair sense of smell<br />
 *Create joint pain, muscle spasms and tremors<br />
 *Cause digestive problems and raise bad cholesterol levels<br />
*Alter the brain&#8217;s electrical activity during sleep<br />
*Open the blood-brain barrier to viruses and toxins<br />
*Cause blood cells to leak hemoglobin<br />
*Reduce the number and efficiency of white blood cells<br />
*Stimulate asthma by producing histamine in mast cells<br />
*Stress the endocrine system, especially pancreas, thyroid, ovaries, testes</p>
<p>The most disturging find is that it emfs are strongly linked to add and early onset of alzheimers.  Many cell phone towers are located at or near schools.  </p>
<p>As I said I know this is a bit of a stretch.  It would be interesting to do a study on the level of emfs correlated to the deaths.</p>
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		<title>By: Peggy (AKA: Big Fat Momma Cat)</title>
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		<dc:creator>Peggy (AKA: Big Fat Momma Cat)</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 07 May 2007 15:15:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>FDA has also shown their contempt for us. Let Them Eat Poison is their new motto!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>FDA has also shown their contempt for us. Let Them Eat Poison is their new motto!</p>
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		<title>By: Peggy (AKA: Big Fat Momma Cat)</title>
		<link>http://www.petconnection.com/blog/2007/05/06/pet-food-recall-sunday-night-news-and-open-thread/comment-page-2/#comment-54326</link>
		<dc:creator>Peggy (AKA: Big Fat Momma Cat)</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 07 May 2007 15:14:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Comment by slt — May 7, 2007 @ 8:07 am

You know better than that, slt. I&#039;ve seen your posts and outrage. The PFI is the manufactures, as you say; I thought they were just in bed with them.

We cannot trust these pet killing idiots to self-police themselves. They have already shown their contempt for us. They feed our pets swill and will continue to do so.

They have to be watched.

Yes, we can do it. Red Cross is non=profit and look at all they do. The list is endless. Non-profit organizations are/ can be very powerful.

Non-profit just means that the pet poisoners can&#039;t pay them off!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Comment by slt — May 7, 2007 @ 8:07 am</p>
<p>You know better than that, slt. I&#8217;ve seen your posts and outrage. The PFI is the manufactures, as you say; I thought they were just in bed with them.</p>
<p>We cannot trust these pet killing idiots to self-police themselves. They have already shown their contempt for us. They feed our pets swill and will continue to do so.</p>
<p>They have to be watched.</p>
<p>Yes, we can do it. Red Cross is non=profit and look at all they do. The list is endless. Non-profit organizations are/ can be very powerful.</p>
<p>Non-profit just means that the pet poisoners can&#8217;t pay them off!</p>
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		<title>By: slt</title>
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		<dc:creator>slt</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 07 May 2007 15:10:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Comment by Susan Mckee — May 7, 2007 @ 8:08 am
&quot;Vets in the country are not seeing the pet food problem like city veterinarians.&quot;

Susan - how is this known?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Comment by Susan Mckee — May 7, 2007 @ 8:08 am<br />
&#8220;Vets in the country are not seeing the pet food problem like city veterinarians.&#8221;</p>
<p>Susan - how is this known?</p>
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		<title>By: Susan Mckee</title>
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		<dc:creator>Susan Mckee</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 07 May 2007 15:08:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>In municipal water treatment purification plants the chlorine levels are constantly changing depending on what pathogens exists. This may explain why more animals are sick and dying in cities than pets in rural living and drinking well water, no chlorine. Vets in the country are not seeing the pet food problem like city veterinarians.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In municipal water treatment purification plants the chlorine levels are constantly changing depending on what pathogens exists. This may explain why more animals are sick and dying in cities than pets in rural living and drinking well water, no chlorine. Vets in the country are not seeing the pet food problem like city veterinarians.</p>
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		<title>By: slt</title>
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		<dc:creator>slt</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 07 May 2007 15:07:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Comment by Peggy (AKA: Big Fat Momma Cat) — May 7, 2007 @ 7:54 am
&quot;Whatever the PFI is supposed to do, they are on the side of the manufacturers, not ours!&quot;

The PFI *are* the manufacturers.
I don&#039;t know how we could expect a third party group to test pet foods, perform plant inspections, check ingredients, etc.  The funding required would be tremendous.  And we&#039;d have to establish some incentive for the manufacturers to cooperate.  
Look at the food we import for our own plates.  1% inspected with no goals of doing any better because that&#039;s all that&#039;s in the budget.  And that&#039;s using America&#039;s tax dollars.  A privately funded group would need consistent, large monetary donations.  I like the idea but I don&#039;t see how it could become a reality.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Comment by Peggy (AKA: Big Fat Momma Cat) — May 7, 2007 @ 7:54 am<br />
&#8220;Whatever the PFI is supposed to do, they are on the side of the manufacturers, not ours!&#8221;</p>
<p>The PFI *are* the manufacturers.<br />
I don&#8217;t know how we could expect a third party group to test pet foods, perform plant inspections, check ingredients, etc.  The funding required would be tremendous.  And we&#8217;d have to establish some incentive for the manufacturers to cooperate.<br />
Look at the food we import for our own plates.  1% inspected with no goals of doing any better because that&#8217;s all that&#8217;s in the budget.  And that&#8217;s using America&#8217;s tax dollars.  A privately funded group would need consistent, large monetary donations.  I like the idea but I don&#8217;t see how it could become a reality.</p>
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