Comments on: Pet-food recall: The Wall Street Journal on the paper trail http://www.petconnection.com/blog/2007/05/04/pet-food-recall-the-wall-street-journal-on-the-paper-trail/ Blogging by a team of pet-care experts. Tue, 07 Feb 2012 07:26:07 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.2.1 By: Lew Orban http://www.petconnection.com/blog/2007/05/04/pet-food-recall-the-wall-street-journal-on-the-paper-trail/comment-page-3/#comment-53097 Lew Orban Sun, 06 May 2007 01:07:59 +0000 http://www.petconnection.com/blog/2007/05/04/pet-food-recall-the-wall-street-journal-on-the-paper-trail/#comment-53097 You do not give any country a second chance when it comes to your food supply. Seriously.... all imports of processed foods from China need to be banned now and must prevented from entering this country. Let us not be ingnorant in the facts....you are all being poisoned on purpose! How can any government official look at this event as an isolated issue...this has been happening since 1995. Who is going to pay for all the diseased individuals rushing into the hospitals....our government is liable and they certainly should! National Health Care is now a reality based on trusting a communist country with your food stuffs. What moron has been incharge of this country and the FDA? Clearly "We are not the World" and you are all being played for fools...... Obewan You do not give any country a second chance when it comes to your food supply. Seriously…. all imports of processed foods from China need to be banned now and must prevented from entering this country.

Let us not be ingnorant in the facts….you are all being poisoned on purpose! How can any government official look at this event as an isolated issue…this has been happening since 1995. Who is going to pay for all the diseased individuals rushing into the hospitals….our government is liable and they certainly should! National Health Care is now a reality based on trusting a communist country with your food stuffs. What moron has been incharge of this country and the FDA? Clearly “We are not the World” and you are all being played for fools……
Obewan

]]> By: Lew Orban http://www.petconnection.com/blog/2007/05/04/pet-food-recall-the-wall-street-journal-on-the-paper-trail/comment-page-3/#comment-53090 Lew Orban Sun, 06 May 2007 00:46:40 +0000 http://www.petconnection.com/blog/2007/05/04/pet-food-recall-the-wall-street-journal-on-the-paper-trail/#comment-53090 I guess I need to tell you all that this intentional poisoning of our food supply has been and will continue for years. When you go to a normal store here in the USA about 80% of all food found on the shelves has some type of GM food included in it. We do not know and these food companies have a strangle hold on our government and the FDA. To point out the reality of the human diet …it is a mess. Our diversified diet is only because there are people who make money off what we eat….it has nothing to do with health…it has to do with money. There is only one diet I would recommend and that is the “Eat Right for Your Blood Type” diet and this diet is based on genetics research. Stay organic and use this plan and you will stay healthy. I have been raising sheep now for ten years. They have only eaten green grass growing on my property and alfalfa in the off season. My sheep have never been sick they have never received a shot or any type of medication…….please tell me why these sheep are always healthy and we humans are always sick? Its the garbage that we eat and that are sold on every commercial on TV. We are being led around by our nose on purpose. See you the human are now a commodity and every thing you think, say, do, buy and want is worth money and control by someone else, It is not necessary for any of these companies to make you all sick. All they need to do is bring down a couple of you in the pen…..and create chronic illnesses that they can control and make money on for the long term. This pet food problem caused to much attention to the activity planned on purpose….they got caught and now the real cat is out of the bag. Companies like Novartis have been doing this for years. They create the poisons and then create the medication for you after you drop sick in the pen. Not everyone is needed…just enough of you to make a couple billion off the illness caused on purpose. This is not a world where ethics and morality reign supreme. There are very bad people involved in many industries and all they want is money and power and they really don’t care how they get it…just as long as they do. I have known this now for many years and have tried to share it with those around me and in e-mails. Often I find people do not care and are not willing to listen or change their ways. If it does not directly effect them then they do nothing….how stupid we all really are. Children are dropping like flies and climbing the walls and taking drugs to control their behavior in record numbers. Companies making these control drugs also make food that the children eat……how nice and how stupid are we? Here in the USA we live in a fantasy world created by the TV and commercials we are bombarded with daily….its a wonderful place of deception for control….of your life and brain. All of us need to take a deep breath and change the future for the better and take control of the world and environment around us. A movement of truth would be a movement long overdue. Obewan I guess I need to tell you all that this intentional poisoning of our food supply has been and will continue for years. When you go to a normal store here in the USA about 80% of all food found on the shelves has some type of GM food included in it. We do not know and these food companies have a strangle hold on our government and the FDA. To point out the reality of the human diet …it is a mess. Our diversified diet is only because there are people who make money off what we eat….it has nothing to do with health…it has to do with money. There is only one diet I would recommend and that is the “Eat Right for Your Blood Type” diet and this diet is based on genetics research. Stay organic and use this plan and you will stay healthy. I have been raising sheep now for ten years. They have only eaten green grass growing on my property and alfalfa in the off season. My sheep have never been sick they have never received a shot or any type of medication…….please tell me why these sheep are always healthy and we humans are always sick? Its the garbage that we eat and that are sold on every commercial on TV. We are being led around by our nose on purpose. See you the human are now a commodity and every thing you think, say, do, buy and want is worth money and control by someone else, It is not necessary for any of these companies to make you all sick. All they need to do is bring down a couple of you in the pen…..and create chronic illnesses that they can control and make money on for the long term. This pet food problem caused to much attention to the activity planned on purpose….they got caught and now the real cat is out of the bag. Companies like Novartis have been doing this for years. They create the poisons and then create the medication for you after you drop sick in the pen. Not everyone is needed…just enough of you to make a couple billion off the illness caused on purpose. This is not a world where ethics and morality reign supreme. There are very bad people involved in many industries and all they want is money and power and they really don’t care how they get it…just as long as they do.

I have known this now for many years and have tried to share it with those around me and in e-mails. Often I find people do not care and are not willing to listen or change their ways. If it does not directly effect them then they do nothing….how stupid we all really are. Children are dropping like flies and climbing the walls and taking drugs to control their behavior in record numbers. Companies making these control drugs also make food that the children eat……how nice and how stupid are we? Here in the USA we live in a fantasy world created by the TV and commercials we are bombarded with daily….its a wonderful place of deception for control….of your life and brain. All of us need to take a deep breath and change the future for the better and take control of the world and environment around us. A movement of truth would be a movement long overdue.
Obewan

]]> By: Ally http://www.petconnection.com/blog/2007/05/04/pet-food-recall-the-wall-street-journal-on-the-paper-trail/comment-page-3/#comment-53025 Ally Sat, 05 May 2007 22:18:34 +0000 http://www.petconnection.com/blog/2007/05/04/pet-food-recall-the-wall-street-journal-on-the-paper-trail/#comment-53025 Other Pat - I think you're right about Gail's post. My bad, sorry Gail! Maybe that stuff grossed me out so much it caused a brain fart! Other Pat - I think you’re right about Gail’s post. My bad, sorry Gail!
Maybe that stuff grossed me out so much it caused a brain fart!

]]> By: The OTHER Pat http://www.petconnection.com/blog/2007/05/04/pet-food-recall-the-wall-street-journal-on-the-paper-trail/comment-page-3/#comment-52991 The OTHER Pat Sat, 05 May 2007 20:32:18 +0000 http://www.petconnection.com/blog/2007/05/04/pet-food-recall-the-wall-street-journal-on-the-paper-trail/#comment-52991 Ally, I took Gail's post as being a comment on the condescending and dismissive attitude big business and corporations are expressing when talking (down) to all of us. I didn't read her as saying we're REALLY too "stupid" - just that *implication* that we are. I work in a chemistry lab and I'm intimidated, too! I think it's possible to know TOO much - and by that, I don't mean that I know too much about properly balancing my dog's diet. Rather, I know too much about the potential implications if I DON'T. But by golly, I'm gonna give it a shot! There's a lot of conflicting information out there, so I picked one (BalanceIT), I'm going to follow it VERY carefully, and I'm going to have my dog re-checked in a few months to make sure all his blood levels and such still look okay. Of COURSE I can do this. No more melamine or "animal digest" for MY little guy! Ally, I took Gail’s post as being a comment on the condescending and dismissive attitude big business and corporations are expressing when talking (down) to all of us. I didn’t read her as saying we’re REALLY too “stupid” - just that *implication* that we are.

I work in a chemistry lab and I’m intimidated, too! I think it’s possible to know TOO much - and by that, I don’t mean that I know too much about properly balancing my dog’s diet. Rather, I know too much about the potential implications if I DON’T.

But by golly, I’m gonna give it a shot! There’s a lot of conflicting information out there, so I picked one (BalanceIT), I’m going to follow it VERY carefully, and I’m going to have my dog re-checked in a few months to make sure all his blood levels and such still look okay.

Of COURSE I can do this. No more melamine or “animal digest” for MY little guy!

]]> By: Ally http://www.petconnection.com/blog/2007/05/04/pet-food-recall-the-wall-street-journal-on-the-paper-trail/comment-page-3/#comment-52974 Ally Sat, 05 May 2007 19:39:51 +0000 http://www.petconnection.com/blog/2007/05/04/pet-food-recall-the-wall-street-journal-on-the-paper-trail/#comment-52974 Comment by Gail B — May 4, 2007 @ 3:33 pm "Because we are all too stupid to make appropriate homemade food for our pets…?" Hi Gail. While I appreciate your point, I don't think that applies to all of us. Many people are now venturing into home cooking for their pets, myself included. So far, I'm adding home cooked to their kibble. There's a learning curve here and I want to be prepared should I need/decide to go for the whole enchilada. But I still find "Animal Digest" to be nauseating. My brain reads the words, but refuses to comprehend it as acceptable. Comment by Gail B — May 4, 2007 @ 3:33 pm
“Because we are all too stupid to make appropriate homemade food for our pets…?”

Hi Gail. While I appreciate your point, I don’t think that applies to all of us. Many people are now venturing into home cooking for their pets, myself included. So far, I’m adding home cooked to their kibble. There’s a learning curve here and I want to be prepared should I need/decide to go for the whole enchilada.

But I still find “Animal Digest” to be nauseating.
My brain reads the words, but refuses to comprehend it as acceptable.

]]> By: Don http://www.petconnection.com/blog/2007/05/04/pet-food-recall-the-wall-street-journal-on-the-paper-trail/comment-page-3/#comment-52969 Don Sat, 05 May 2007 19:21:43 +0000 http://www.petconnection.com/blog/2007/05/04/pet-food-recall-the-wall-street-journal-on-the-paper-trail/#comment-52969 RE: WSJ: "It?s still unclear how exactly the contaminant, a chemical called melamine that is normally used in plastics, killed the pets." AND NYT: "Regulators are testing for a chemical sometimes used as a rat poison, as well as for melamine, an industrial chemical that is believed to have killed or sickened thousands of pets in the United States and South Africa." Love those waffle words? These items are carefully written in such a way that they should only be read in the context of an exact literal translation of the English language. The WSJ piece really tests the limits. What is unclear is if there is any possible scenario which would cause a substance no more toxic than table salt to become lethal. If they were actually engaged in honest journalism, they would report that under no conditions has melamine ever been shown to be toxic in the quantities it claimed to be present. In the NYT piece, the qualifier is "sometimes". Assuming they are talking about aminopterin, which may not be the case as worded, the "sometimes" refers to experiments conducted 30 years ago, which resulted in a patent, but never in a commercially available product for killing rats. If they are in fact testing for aminopterin, that is certainly interesting as China has previously stated it is not approved for use in the country as rat poison. On the bright side, it may be an indication the FDAs effort to cover up the presense of aminopterin is wearing thin. Considering it would be virtually impossible for aminopterin to be present in any quantity except as an intentional act of state sponsored terrorism, I for one would like to know how it got into the food supply, and who put it there - U.S. or them. RE: WSJ: “It?s still unclear how exactly the contaminant, a chemical called melamine that is normally
used in plastics, killed the pets.”

AND

NYT: “Regulators are testing for a chemical sometimes used as a rat poison, as well as for melamine,
an industrial chemical that is believed to have killed or sickened thousands of pets in the United
States and South Africa.”

Love those waffle words? These items are carefully written in such a way that they should only be
read in the context of an exact literal translation of the English language. The WSJ piece really tests
the limits. What is unclear is if there is any possible scenario which would cause a substance no
more toxic than table salt to become lethal. If they were actually engaged in honest journalism, they
would report that under no conditions has melamine ever been shown to be toxic in the quantities it
claimed to be present. In the NYT piece, the qualifier is “sometimes”. Assuming they are talking about
aminopterin, which may not be the case as worded, the “sometimes” refers to experiments conducted 30
years ago, which resulted in a patent, but never in a commercially available product for killing rats.
If they are in fact testing for aminopterin, that is certainly interesting as China has previously
stated it is not approved for use in the country as rat poison.

On the bright side, it may be an indication the FDAs effort to cover up the presense of aminopterin
is wearing thin. Considering it would be virtually impossible for aminopterin to be present in any
quantity except as an intentional act of state sponsored terrorism, I for one would like to know how
it got into the food supply, and who put it there - U.S. or them.

]]> By: Cheryl Hansen http://www.petconnection.com/blog/2007/05/04/pet-food-recall-the-wall-street-journal-on-the-paper-trail/comment-page-3/#comment-52968 Cheryl Hansen Sat, 05 May 2007 19:21:29 +0000 http://www.petconnection.com/blog/2007/05/04/pet-food-recall-the-wall-street-journal-on-the-paper-trail/#comment-52968 The FDA, according to USAToday, uses a risk-based system. If they've had a problem in the past, they inspect shipments of the same more carefully. The FDA has had a "gluten" problem with China since 1998. They didn't know to check for melamine, so they didn't. After 9 years of problems with this product, when is the FDA going to ban the product? The FDA, according to USAToday, uses a risk-based system. If they’ve had a problem in the past, they inspect shipments of the same more carefully. The FDA has had a “gluten” problem with China since 1998. They didn’t know to check for melamine, so they didn’t. After 9 years of problems with this product, when is the FDA going to ban the product?

]]> By: Karen F. http://www.petconnection.com/blog/2007/05/04/pet-food-recall-the-wall-street-journal-on-the-paper-trail/comment-page-3/#comment-52656 Karen F. Sat, 05 May 2007 10:25:32 +0000 http://www.petconnection.com/blog/2007/05/04/pet-food-recall-the-wall-street-journal-on-the-paper-trail/#comment-52656 Want to know what the FDA was REALLY doing while thousands of pets were getting sick and dying? Trying to figure out how to regulate the heck out massage therapy by declaring that massage oils/lotions/creams need to be regulated as medicines! Think I'm making it up? Read here: http://www.fda.gov/OHRMS/DOCKETS/98fr/06d-0480-gld0001.pdf Meanwhile, we're all worried (and grieving) about our four-legged family members AND scared to death about what we're feeding not only our beloved pets but our own families now that we know the melamine has entered the food chain in hogs and chickens. Please, let the FDA know that they need to keep their eye on the ball here - our food supply is the most important thing. That would be the "F" in FDA! Just do their job and inspect EVERYTHING that goes into food -human AND animal - to keep us safe. Want to know what the FDA was REALLY doing while thousands of pets were getting sick and dying? Trying to figure out how to regulate the heck out massage therapy by declaring that massage oils/lotions/creams need to be regulated as medicines! Think I’m making it up? Read here: http://www.fda.gov/OHRMS/DOCKE.....ld0001.pdf

Meanwhile, we’re all worried (and grieving) about our four-legged family members AND scared to death about what we’re feeding not only our beloved pets but our own families now that we know the melamine has entered the food chain in hogs and chickens.

Please, let the FDA know that they need to keep their eye on the ball here - our food supply is the most important thing. That would be the “F” in FDA! Just do their job and inspect EVERYTHING that goes into food -human AND animal - to keep us safe.

]]> By: Mary Smith http://www.petconnection.com/blog/2007/05/04/pet-food-recall-the-wall-street-journal-on-the-paper-trail/comment-page-3/#comment-52387 Mary Smith Sat, 05 May 2007 01:44:48 +0000 http://www.petconnection.com/blog/2007/05/04/pet-food-recall-the-wall-street-journal-on-the-paper-trail/#comment-52387 Eartha has listed the manufacturing facilities for Purina PetCare Company over at Itchmo's Forum: Eartha Reply #21 on: Today at 04:43:05 PM Purina Friskies and Fancy Feast http://itchmoforums.com/index.php?topic=200.15 Eartha has listed the manufacturing facilities for Purina PetCare Company over at Itchmo’s Forum:

Eartha
Reply #21 on: Today at 04:43:05 PM
Purina Friskies and Fancy Feast
http://itchmoforums.com/index.php?topic=200.15

]]> By: Patricia Hill http://www.petconnection.com/blog/2007/05/04/pet-food-recall-the-wall-street-journal-on-the-paper-trail/comment-page-3/#comment-52254 Patricia Hill Sat, 05 May 2007 00:01:25 +0000 http://www.petconnection.com/blog/2007/05/04/pet-food-recall-the-wall-street-journal-on-the-paper-trail/#comment-52254 Hey Fancy Feast you're out of business! I had 2 cats totally addicted to their moist treat food for YEARS. They are currently getting Natura's California Natural canned until I get my first shipment next Wed. of Wildkitty. They are not crazy about Natura - can't wait to see the riot over raw. Day 8 on raw for the Maltese - can't believe the difference! We though at 15 yrs. she was just getting "old." All of our fur kids have been eating the "current best commercial foods" all of their lives. What an eye opener with Nikki! Hey Fancy Feast you’re out of business! I had 2 cats totally addicted to their moist treat food for YEARS. They are currently getting Natura’s California Natural canned until I get my first shipment next Wed. of Wildkitty. They are not crazy about Natura - can’t wait to see the riot over raw.

Day 8 on raw for the Maltese - can’t believe the difference! We though at 15 yrs. she was just getting “old.” All of our fur kids have been eating the “current best commercial foods” all of their lives. What an eye opener with Nikki!

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