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		<title>By: Lynn</title>
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		<dc:creator>Lynn</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 29 Apr 2007 05:17:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Comment by Kat — April 28, 2007 @ 9:02 am 


Kat,

Sorry, I was backlogged with work. Just now catching up with blogs.

Re the RPM: Highly unusual for ANY USG document not to have rev number and rev date [MM-DD-YYYY] on every single page of any manual. Maybe the real manual has it – probably they just deleted that date and rev number for the website.

Regarding mandatory recalls and my question whether or not the FDA knows they have the right to call one [according to THEIR manual]:  all I can say is that the USG employees are typically required to read all pertinent manuals and sign an affadavit stating that they read it. Now, take a look at the manual - so many pages, so little time. I&#039;ll wager that half the FDA&#039;ers haven&#039;t even opened the manual. Just a hunch.

My experience with these manuals is that the writing is often so discombulated and redundant [in an effort to rule out ambiguity......I&#039;m being facetious here]. No one likes to read through pages and pages of long sentences that you have to reread a dozen times before you &quot;get&quot; what they&#039;re trying to say.

But check out this link a little higher up in the URL hierarchy:

http://www.fda.gov/ora/

This looks like a real goldmine.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Comment by Kat — April 28, 2007 @ 9:02 am </p>
<p>Kat,</p>
<p>Sorry, I was backlogged with work. Just now catching up with blogs.</p>
<p>Re the RPM: Highly unusual for ANY USG document not to have rev number and rev date [MM-DD-YYYY] on every single page of any manual. Maybe the real manual has it – probably they just deleted that date and rev number for the website.</p>
<p>Regarding mandatory recalls and my question whether or not the FDA knows they have the right to call one [according to THEIR manual]:  all I can say is that the USG employees are typically required to read all pertinent manuals and sign an affadavit stating that they read it. Now, take a look at the manual - so many pages, so little time. I&#8217;ll wager that half the FDA&#8217;ers haven&#8217;t even opened the manual. Just a hunch.</p>
<p>My experience with these manuals is that the writing is often so discombulated and redundant [in an effort to rule out ambiguity&#8230;&#8230;I&#8217;m being facetious here]. No one likes to read through pages and pages of long sentences that you have to reread a dozen times before you &#8220;get&#8221; what they&#8217;re trying to say.</p>
<p>But check out this link a little higher up in the URL hierarchy:</p>
<p><a href="http://www.fda.gov/ora/" rel="nofollow">http://www.fda.gov/ora/</a></p>
<p>This looks like a real goldmine.</p>
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		<title>By: Nadine Long</title>
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		<dc:creator>Nadine Long</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 28 Apr 2007 16:19:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Comment by Kat — April 28, 2007 @ 9:02 am

The gaps, delays and deliberate silence surely makes one wonder if they&#039;re not under a &quot;higher mandate,&quot; does it not? This tragic event&#039;s scenario certainly sets up that &quot;sentinel surveillance&quot; scenario so it could be studied by a government agency. God, I hope not!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Comment by Kat — April 28, 2007 @ 9:02 am</p>
<p>The gaps, delays and deliberate silence surely makes one wonder if they&#8217;re not under a &#8220;higher mandate,&#8221; does it not? This tragic event&#8217;s scenario certainly sets up that &#8220;sentinel surveillance&#8221; scenario so it could be studied by a government agency. God, I hope not!</p>
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		<title>By: Kat</title>
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		<dc:creator>Kat</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 28 Apr 2007 16:02:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Lynn:  It is a manual. Effective March 2007 !! 

http://www.fda.gov/ora/compliance_ref/rpm/

All kinds of gOOdies in the index!

What I do not understand is -- HOW -- can they say they have no authority?  I have read in numerous places, including the FDA website that a CLASS I RECALL -- life/death situations -- which the pet food recall is -- THEY HAVE THE AUTHORITY TO ISSUE A MANDATORY RECALL.  Don&#039;t get it!  I think the CAN, just DIDN&#039;T.  And, still continue to NOT.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Lynn:  It is a manual. Effective March 2007 !! </p>
<p><a href="http://www.fda.gov/ora/compliance_ref/rpm/" rel="nofollow">http://www.fda.gov/ora/compliance_ref/rpm/</a></p>
<p>All kinds of gOOdies in the index!</p>
<p>What I do not understand is &#8212; HOW &#8212; can they say they have no authority?  I have read in numerous places, including the FDA website that a CLASS I RECALL &#8212; life/death situations &#8212; which the pet food recall is &#8212; THEY HAVE THE AUTHORITY TO ISSUE A MANDATORY RECALL.  Don&#8217;t get it!  I think the CAN, just DIDN&#8217;T.  And, still continue to NOT.</p>
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		<title>By: shelly</title>
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		<dc:creator>shelly</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 28 Apr 2007 15:55:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Comment by straybaby — April 28, 2007 @ 12:07 am 

Straybaby-
You can do &quot;Print Screens&quot; and copy them into &quot;Word&quot; as soon as you see it. While your on a screen you want to save but don&#039;t trust to be there next time, hit your print screen button at the top of your key board, then go into word and paste it there, and save it. You&#039;ll have a snap shot forever of that screen.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Comment by straybaby — April 28, 2007 @ 12:07 am </p>
<p>Straybaby-<br />
You can do &#8220;Print Screens&#8221; and copy them into &#8220;Word&#8221; as soon as you see it. While your on a screen you want to save but don&#8217;t trust to be there next time, hit your print screen button at the top of your key board, then go into word and paste it there, and save it. You&#8217;ll have a snap shot forever of that screen.</p>
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		<title>By: shelly</title>
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		<dc:creator>shelly</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 28 Apr 2007 15:47:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Comment by Lynn — April 28, 2007 @ 12:06 am

???? What the heck? Part of my dog&#039;s treatment was to put him ON an antibiotic.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Comment by Lynn — April 28, 2007 @ 12:06 am</p>
<p>???? What the heck? Part of my dog&#8217;s treatment was to put him ON an antibiotic.</p>
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		<title>By: shelly</title>
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		<dc:creator>shelly</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 28 Apr 2007 15:41:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;Here you go NEWS MEDIA!

This is an article for YOU about your roll/your coverage on product tampering — and YOU FLUNK!

http://www.facsnet.org/tools/ref_tutor/tampering/coverage.php3 

Comment by Kat — April 27, 2007 @ 10:56 pm&quot;

Kat-that was an excellent article, in so many ways.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Here you go NEWS MEDIA!</p>
<p>This is an article for YOU about your roll/your coverage on product tampering — and YOU FLUNK!</p>
<p><a href="http://www.facsnet.org/tools/ref_tutor/tampering/coverage.php3" rel="nofollow">http://www.facsnet.org/tools/r.....erage.php3</a> </p>
<p>Comment by Kat — April 27, 2007 @ 10:56 pm&#8221;</p>
<p>Kat-that was an excellent article, in so many ways.</p>
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		<title>By: Kat</title>
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		<dc:creator>Kat</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 28 Apr 2007 15:10:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Comment by CatLady — April 28, 2007 @ 5:01 am 

I have a pack of people (family &amp; friends) I email ALL the time.  They&#039;re probably sick of me sending emails.  To make it easy on myself, I&#039;ve made a GROUP for them in both of my email accounts.

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Comment by slt — April 28, 2007 @ 6:54 am 

They are serviced by rendering plants.  But, they could be a rendering plant themselves.  The State info on them lists them as &quot;Hide, etc.&quot;

There&#039;s a comment about them on this website:

http://www.petitiononline.com/oreo1/petition.html

...&quot;Just outside Seattle is a rendering facility cleverly disguised as Baker Commodities. Their raw material is collected from veterinary hospitals and humane societies across Washington State. Seattle humane shelters have their clients sign a waiver indicating that pet&#039;s bodies not collected by their owners will be sent to the rendering facility. Baker Commodities, a facility which is guarded like Fort Knox, sells meat meal by the ton. The majority of their product goes to American Nutrition of Ogden Utah which in turn manufacturers over 175 different private label brands of pet food. &quot;...

!!! PLEASE NOTE 175 DIFFERENT PRIVATE LABEL BRANDS OF PET FOOD !!!

I&#039;ve been wondering how many they private label.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Comment by CatLady — April 28, 2007 @ 5:01 am </p>
<p>I have a pack of people (family &amp; friends) I email ALL the time.  They&#8217;re probably sick of me sending emails.  To make it easy on myself, I&#8217;ve made a GROUP for them in both of my email accounts.</p>
<p>&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;-<br />
Comment by slt — April 28, 2007 @ 6:54 am </p>
<p>They are serviced by rendering plants.  But, they could be a rendering plant themselves.  The State info on them lists them as &#8220;Hide, etc.&#8221;</p>
<p>There&#8217;s a comment about them on this website:</p>
<p><a href="http://www.petitiononline.com/oreo1/petition.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.petitiononline.com/oreo1/petition.html</a></p>
<p>&#8230;&#8221;Just outside Seattle is a rendering facility cleverly disguised as Baker Commodities. Their raw material is collected from veterinary hospitals and humane societies across Washington State. Seattle humane shelters have their clients sign a waiver indicating that pet&#8217;s bodies not collected by their owners will be sent to the rendering facility. Baker Commodities, a facility which is guarded like Fort Knox, sells meat meal by the ton. The majority of their product goes to American Nutrition of Ogden Utah which in turn manufacturers over 175 different private label brands of pet food. &#8220;&#8230;</p>
<p>!!! PLEASE NOTE 175 DIFFERENT PRIVATE LABEL BRANDS OF PET FOOD !!!</p>
<p>I&#8217;ve been wondering how many they private label.</p>
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		<title>By: slt</title>
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		<dc:creator>slt</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 28 Apr 2007 13:54:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>regarding the stench from American Nutrition dog biscuit baking equipment - why so stinky?  I make dog biscuits all the time and my kitchen smells good!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>regarding the stench from American Nutrition dog biscuit baking equipment - why so stinky?  I make dog biscuits all the time and my kitchen smells good!</p>
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		<title>By: CatLady</title>
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		<dc:creator>CatLady</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 28 Apr 2007 12:01:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Kathi, while I think that Nutro naming Natural Balance in their press release is kind of dirty, I understand their line of thinking. They worry that people will confuse Natural Balance with Natural Choice. I had a conversation with our secreteary a couple weeks ago (before the NB recalls) about the Nutro she was feeding her puppy. I said that one of the brands she might consider if she was not comfortable with the Nutro line was Natural Balance. She said, &quot;But that&#039;s what I&#039;m feeding him: Nutro Natural Balance.&quot; 

You and I can keep this stuff straight in our heads because we are bothering to keep up with it. But to people who go to PetSmart and buy food there, trusting that PetSmart will protect them by pulling recalled foods before they get them... well, Natural Choice, Natural Balance... all they remember is the color of the bag and the fact that the word Natural is on it. That&#039;s why it is so important for us to share this information with the people who are not internet savvy. Otherwise, they&#039;re going to fall for whatever line (or ingredients!) that the pet food brands give them.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Kathi, while I think that Nutro naming Natural Balance in their press release is kind of dirty, I understand their line of thinking. They worry that people will confuse Natural Balance with Natural Choice. I had a conversation with our secreteary a couple weeks ago (before the NB recalls) about the Nutro she was feeding her puppy. I said that one of the brands she might consider if she was not comfortable with the Nutro line was Natural Balance. She said, &#8220;But that&#8217;s what I&#8217;m feeding him: Nutro Natural Balance.&#8221; </p>
<p>You and I can keep this stuff straight in our heads because we are bothering to keep up with it. But to people who go to PetSmart and buy food there, trusting that PetSmart will protect them by pulling recalled foods before they get them&#8230; well, Natural Choice, Natural Balance&#8230; all they remember is the color of the bag and the fact that the word Natural is on it. That&#8217;s why it is so important for us to share this information with the people who are not internet savvy. Otherwise, they&#8217;re going to fall for whatever line (or ingredients!) that the pet food brands give them.</p>
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		<title>By: straybaby</title>
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		<dc:creator>straybaby</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 28 Apr 2007 09:21:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>i&#039;m on my way to bed, but i do remember seeing the bread recall when this whole thing started. i noticed it because my family is in CA.

yes, i will turn OFF cspan hearing and GO TO BED.

nite all!  :)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>i&#8217;m on my way to bed, but i do remember seeing the bread recall when this whole thing started. i noticed it because my family is in CA.</p>
<p>yes, i will turn OFF cspan hearing and GO TO BED.</p>
<p>nite all!  :)</p>
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