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		<title>By: Suzi</title>
		<link>http://www.petconnection.com/blog/2007/04/26/pet-food-recall-timing-and-triggers/comment-page-3/#comment-45518</link>
		<dc:creator>Suzi</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 29 Apr 2007 04:26:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I was feeding my dog iams dry minichunks and the adult dog treats, but i had no problem with it at all. But once all the poisonings started, i dropped Iams entirely(especially after I found out about their treatment of the research animals!) I switched to California Natural dry Lamb and rice dog food, plus the lamb and rice healthbars-I had gotten samples before and my dog loved it. I have read nothing bad at all about Natura, who makes California Natural-as far as i know it is a good dog food maker not involved in any recall. They are based in california-has anyone tried California natural yet? They also make Innova, Healthwise, Karma brands. By the way, I do not feed my dog any canned dog food at all! I stopped years ago-I give him chicken breast once in a while-it&#039;s hard to trust any food anymore, for pets or for people.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I was feeding my dog iams dry minichunks and the adult dog treats, but i had no problem with it at all. But once all the poisonings started, i dropped Iams entirely(especially after I found out about their treatment of the research animals!) I switched to California Natural dry Lamb and rice dog food, plus the lamb and rice healthbars-I had gotten samples before and my dog loved it. I have read nothing bad at all about Natura, who makes California Natural-as far as i know it is a good dog food maker not involved in any recall. They are based in california-has anyone tried California natural yet? They also make Innova, Healthwise, Karma brands. By the way, I do not feed my dog any canned dog food at all! I stopped years ago-I give him chicken breast once in a while-it&#8217;s hard to trust any food anymore, for pets or for people.</p>
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		<title>By: Kat</title>
		<link>http://www.petconnection.com/blog/2007/04/26/pet-food-recall-timing-and-triggers/comment-page-3/#comment-45152</link>
		<dc:creator>Kat</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 29 Apr 2007 00:55:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>re:  Comment by Kim — April 27, 2007 @ 8:38 am 

Oh, my...

Well, maybe a little research would help you see more of what we are complaining about:

Sally Q. Miller
Rendering
Alibaba
Fusing
Made-in-China
FDA/OASIS website
NY State Lab&#039;s &amp; Cornell Univ. Lab&#039;s purpose after post 9-11
TheMeatrix.com

Then, as far as transparency?  How about the TRUTH, instead??</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>re:  Comment by Kim — April 27, 2007 @ 8:38 am </p>
<p>Oh, my&#8230;</p>
<p>Well, maybe a little research would help you see more of what we are complaining about:</p>
<p>Sally Q. Miller<br />
Rendering<br />
Alibaba<br />
Fusing<br />
Made-in-China<br />
FDA/OASIS website<br />
NY State Lab&#8217;s &amp; Cornell Univ. Lab&#8217;s purpose after post 9-11<br />
TheMeatrix.com</p>
<p>Then, as far as transparency?  How about the TRUTH, instead??</p>
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		<title>By: Kat</title>
		<link>http://www.petconnection.com/blog/2007/04/26/pet-food-recall-timing-and-triggers/comment-page-3/#comment-45126</link>
		<dc:creator>Kat</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 29 Apr 2007 00:35:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Tom Lowe: WELL SAID!</description>
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		<title>By: Tom Lowe</title>
		<link>http://www.petconnection.com/blog/2007/04/26/pet-food-recall-timing-and-triggers/comment-page-3/#comment-45090</link>
		<dc:creator>Tom Lowe</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 29 Apr 2007 00:07:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The whole pet food industry is designed to offload waste byproduct onto your pets for prices as high as premium human food.  Go buy a small beefsteak for your cat and then buy a can of foul smelling cat food.  Compare costs.  It is no more exensive to feed your cats steaks and canned fish than it is to feed them the utterly foul garbage produced by the pet food industry.  Everyone in the pet food industry should recognize themselves for what they are:  con artists.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The whole pet food industry is designed to offload waste byproduct onto your pets for prices as high as premium human food.  Go buy a small beefsteak for your cat and then buy a can of foul smelling cat food.  Compare costs.  It is no more exensive to feed your cats steaks and canned fish than it is to feed them the utterly foul garbage produced by the pet food industry.  Everyone in the pet food industry should recognize themselves for what they are:  con artists.</p>
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		<title>By: Kim</title>
		<link>http://www.petconnection.com/blog/2007/04/26/pet-food-recall-timing-and-triggers/comment-page-3/#comment-42516</link>
		<dc:creator>Kim</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 27 Apr 2007 15:38:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The point here that everyone is missing is that the contaminate is not something that was expected.  This is not an issue of lack of standards, or failure of quality control.  There is no precident for a contamination like this one.

These are human grade ingredients, and even if they had been used in baby food, the contamination would not have been caught before production.

No company can be expected to test every ingredient for every contaminate.  Firstly, it&#039;s almost impossible, and secondly, the costs would be astronomical.  

Is the company here totally in the wrong for waiting to recall?  YES.  That point is not arguable.  But to blame anyone but the chinese manufacturers for the original issue is just not logical.

For those of you who are upset that many manufacturers use this single canning facility, again lets have a dose of reality.  These facilities are only financially viable when they run almost continuously.  Ever wonder how that can of fancy feast only costs $0.49?  It&#039;s because both the ingredients and the can are CHEAP.  

Canning is so cheap because these facilities run 24/7.  They can do this because they can foods for multiple companies, otherwise the factory would only operate for a few hours a day.  The reality is that only a very small percentage of pet food is wet food, and none of these companies (ok, well, maybe Iams) sells enough food to can their own in a cost effective manner. 

The problem is not the facility, it&#039;s the ingredients!  Companies who turn over their purchasing to other companies leave their reputation in the hands of another.  Innova, Wellness... to the best of my knowledge these companies supply their own ingredients.

And PLEASE stop saying it&#039;s all about money, as if it&#039;s a sin.  OF COURSE it&#039;s all about money.   These are huge companies, who are out to make a profit.  They want to make the best profit possible, because that&#039;s what companies do.  What did you think, when you bought that can of Science Diet?  That you were contributing to a not-for-profit organization?  No, you&#039;re putting another buck in the pocket of an international parent company.

The only solution to this problem is a greater level of transparacy.  Consumers should be able to know exactly what quality controls are in place, what testing is performed, where the ingredients come from, and WHAT IS IN EVERY PRODUCT.  

Currently, for example, if a manufacturer purchases a meal that contains ethyoxyquin, they don&#039;t have to put ethoxyquin on the bag, because they didn&#039;t add it personally.  So all of these &quot;naturally preserved&quot; products with 18 months shelf lives?  Sorry, guys, reality check.

Natural Balance was busted months ago for having white potato protein in their Fish and Sweet Potato dry foods without putting it on the label.  This is not a new occurance.

We need tougher laws, more transparancy, and I want to know where these ingredients come from.  I want a description on every companies website about where that ingredient came from, and what it actually contains (Powdered Cellulose is a good example, which can come from ANY plant fibre... scary).

Also, to whoever mentioned the expiry date issue.  2-3 years is common with canned food, although in reality it is much longer.  Pouches, however, are only good for 1-2 years, depending on the level of preservative.

The simple solution?  Choose your manufacturer carefully.  Iams has had hundreds of recalls within the past few years.  Diamond Pet food (Chicken Soup) killed hundreds of animals just a few years ago.  Read labels, call companies, get answers BEFORE opening that can.  Or better yet, just share your own dinner.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The point here that everyone is missing is that the contaminate is not something that was expected.  This is not an issue of lack of standards, or failure of quality control.  There is no precident for a contamination like this one.</p>
<p>These are human grade ingredients, and even if they had been used in baby food, the contamination would not have been caught before production.</p>
<p>No company can be expected to test every ingredient for every contaminate.  Firstly, it&#8217;s almost impossible, and secondly, the costs would be astronomical.  </p>
<p>Is the company here totally in the wrong for waiting to recall?  YES.  That point is not arguable.  But to blame anyone but the chinese manufacturers for the original issue is just not logical.</p>
<p>For those of you who are upset that many manufacturers use this single canning facility, again lets have a dose of reality.  These facilities are only financially viable when they run almost continuously.  Ever wonder how that can of fancy feast only costs $0.49?  It&#8217;s because both the ingredients and the can are CHEAP.  </p>
<p>Canning is so cheap because these facilities run 24/7.  They can do this because they can foods for multiple companies, otherwise the factory would only operate for a few hours a day.  The reality is that only a very small percentage of pet food is wet food, and none of these companies (ok, well, maybe Iams) sells enough food to can their own in a cost effective manner. </p>
<p>The problem is not the facility, it&#8217;s the ingredients!  Companies who turn over their purchasing to other companies leave their reputation in the hands of another.  Innova, Wellness&#8230; to the best of my knowledge these companies supply their own ingredients.</p>
<p>And PLEASE stop saying it&#8217;s all about money, as if it&#8217;s a sin.  OF COURSE it&#8217;s all about money.   These are huge companies, who are out to make a profit.  They want to make the best profit possible, because that&#8217;s what companies do.  What did you think, when you bought that can of Science Diet?  That you were contributing to a not-for-profit organization?  No, you&#8217;re putting another buck in the pocket of an international parent company.</p>
<p>The only solution to this problem is a greater level of transparacy.  Consumers should be able to know exactly what quality controls are in place, what testing is performed, where the ingredients come from, and WHAT IS IN EVERY PRODUCT.  </p>
<p>Currently, for example, if a manufacturer purchases a meal that contains ethyoxyquin, they don&#8217;t have to put ethoxyquin on the bag, because they didn&#8217;t add it personally.  So all of these &#8220;naturally preserved&#8221; products with 18 months shelf lives?  Sorry, guys, reality check.</p>
<p>Natural Balance was busted months ago for having white potato protein in their Fish and Sweet Potato dry foods without putting it on the label.  This is not a new occurance.</p>
<p>We need tougher laws, more transparancy, and I want to know where these ingredients come from.  I want a description on every companies website about where that ingredient came from, and what it actually contains (Powdered Cellulose is a good example, which can come from ANY plant fibre&#8230; scary).</p>
<p>Also, to whoever mentioned the expiry date issue.  2-3 years is common with canned food, although in reality it is much longer.  Pouches, however, are only good for 1-2 years, depending on the level of preservative.</p>
<p>The simple solution?  Choose your manufacturer carefully.  Iams has had hundreds of recalls within the past few years.  Diamond Pet food (Chicken Soup) killed hundreds of animals just a few years ago.  Read labels, call companies, get answers BEFORE opening that can.  Or better yet, just share your own dinner.</p>
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		<title>By: Ruth</title>
		<link>http://www.petconnection.com/blog/2007/04/26/pet-food-recall-timing-and-triggers/comment-page-3/#comment-41696</link>
		<dc:creator>Ruth</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 27 Apr 2007 04:55:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Pets were dying since Nov. maybe earlier than that.Maybe IAMs and all the other pet food companies thought it would blow over without a major incidence.
IAMs was just covering their behinds to avert a major crisis...customers not buying their products... it&#039;s all about the MONEY.
Now the FDA is going to check the corn. IAMs keeps saying the dry food is safe because its made with corn.
My pet died before the recalls and she ate the dry food. That doesn&#039;t make me feel any better, my pet is dead for no reason. I was the one who looked into her pleading eyes wanting me to make her feel better. 

It&#039;s all about the money and now those companies who are recalling left and right want to save their sales.

Make it cheap, buy wherever, sell it expensive and put fancy selling key words on the bag to make it look good.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Pets were dying since Nov. maybe earlier than that.Maybe IAMs and all the other pet food companies thought it would blow over without a major incidence.<br />
IAMs was just covering their behinds to avert a major crisis&#8230;customers not buying their products&#8230; it&#8217;s all about the MONEY.<br />
Now the FDA is going to check the corn. IAMs keeps saying the dry food is safe because its made with corn.<br />
My pet died before the recalls and she ate the dry food. That doesn&#8217;t make me feel any better, my pet is dead for no reason. I was the one who looked into her pleading eyes wanting me to make her feel better. </p>
<p>It&#8217;s all about the money and now those companies who are recalling left and right want to save their sales.</p>
<p>Make it cheap, buy wherever, sell it expensive and put fancy selling key words on the bag to make it look good.</p>
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		<title>By: E. Hamilton</title>
		<link>http://www.petconnection.com/blog/2007/04/26/pet-food-recall-timing-and-triggers/comment-page-3/#comment-41580</link>
		<dc:creator>E. Hamilton</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 27 Apr 2007 03:23:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>If Iams was so fast to figure this out why did they NOT get the pet owners warned?

Plenty of happy happy pet pictures and sunshine up  the fundiment but somehow the news people needed to get their pets to the vet in time (well, maybe, if your vet had a clue what was happening, if you can blow 2-3 grand on a moments notice, if you weren&#039;t given YET more poison to force feed the poor pet and have a hotline to supernatural forces, as well as 2-3 hours a day to devote to medical care) just did not get on the TV.
It&#039;s a mystery.
Maybe Iams thought no one would notice the pets dropping dead.
Maybe Iams just forgot about the folks who pay for all the stuff they sell.
Could be Iams did not think it was all that important in the first place.

But never , not once , did they get a shiny face on the tube and say a fool thing about the drinking of too much water and the other symptoms.

It might have bought them enough loyalty to ride this out, now they will get what they get, and it won&#039;t be my money.
Oh, Iams USED their money and power , with Menu Foods and then kept the mouth shut and let us swing in the breeze while the dying and the lying went on and on.
That same power could have gotten the news out and nothing on earth will ever convince me they used the power for OUR benefit, they knew pets were dying and it was the butt covering that mattered.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If Iams was so fast to figure this out why did they NOT get the pet owners warned?</p>
<p>Plenty of happy happy pet pictures and sunshine up  the fundiment but somehow the news people needed to get their pets to the vet in time (well, maybe, if your vet had a clue what was happening, if you can blow 2-3 grand on a moments notice, if you weren&#8217;t given YET more poison to force feed the poor pet and have a hotline to supernatural forces, as well as 2-3 hours a day to devote to medical care) just did not get on the TV.<br />
It&#8217;s a mystery.<br />
Maybe Iams thought no one would notice the pets dropping dead.<br />
Maybe Iams just forgot about the folks who pay for all the stuff they sell.<br />
Could be Iams did not think it was all that important in the first place.</p>
<p>But never , not once , did they get a shiny face on the tube and say a fool thing about the drinking of too much water and the other symptoms.</p>
<p>It might have bought them enough loyalty to ride this out, now they will get what they get, and it won&#8217;t be my money.<br />
Oh, Iams USED their money and power , with Menu Foods and then kept the mouth shut and let us swing in the breeze while the dying and the lying went on and on.<br />
That same power could have gotten the news out and nothing on earth will ever convince me they used the power for OUR benefit, they knew pets were dying and it was the butt covering that mattered.</p>
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		<title>By: David</title>
		<link>http://www.petconnection.com/blog/2007/04/26/pet-food-recall-timing-and-triggers/comment-page-3/#comment-41429</link>
		<dc:creator>David</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 27 Apr 2007 01:45:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Nadine, darling...

Millions of substances have a crystal form... the presence of a crystalline substance would not automatically prompt anyone to look for melamine.

The simple truth is that P&amp;G found the main/indicator contaminant implicatd in this recall by virtue of their own testing. This does not absolve P&amp;G (Iams/Eukanaba) of culpability from failing to test products that they put their name on, but it does show that they took it seriously when the manure hit the fan. And they had the wherewithall to do the tests... how many of the boutique &quot;producers&quot; (read &quot;contractors dependent on what Menu tells them&quot;) involved in this recall can claim this degree of compentency?  

Menu dropped the ball, and Iams/P&amp;G was the first to pick it up...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Nadine, darling&#8230;</p>
<p>Millions of substances have a crystal form&#8230; the presence of a crystalline substance would not automatically prompt anyone to look for melamine.</p>
<p>The simple truth is that P&amp;G found the main/indicator contaminant implicatd in this recall by virtue of their own testing. This does not absolve P&amp;G (Iams/Eukanaba) of culpability from failing to test products that they put their name on, but it does show that they took it seriously when the manure hit the fan. And they had the wherewithall to do the tests&#8230; how many of the boutique &#8220;producers&#8221; (read &#8220;contractors dependent on what Menu tells them&#8221;) involved in this recall can claim this degree of compentency?  </p>
<p>Menu dropped the ball, and Iams/P&amp;G was the first to pick it up&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Nadine Long</title>
		<link>http://www.petconnection.com/blog/2007/04/26/pet-food-recall-timing-and-triggers/comment-page-3/#comment-41231</link>
		<dc:creator>Nadine Long</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 26 Apr 2007 23:57:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Melamine crystals, that is.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Melamine crystals, that is.</p>
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		<title>By: Nadine Long</title>
		<link>http://www.petconnection.com/blog/2007/04/26/pet-food-recall-timing-and-triggers/comment-page-3/#comment-41229</link>
		<dc:creator>Nadine Long</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 26 Apr 2007 23:56:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>“I wonder what led P&amp;G to melamine.”

FDA stated that they were visible to the naked eye.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>“I wonder what led P&amp;G to melamine.”</p>
<p>FDA stated that they were visible to the naked eye.</p>
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