Comments on: Pet food recall: Durbin, DeLauro meet with FDA chief http://www.petconnection.com/blog/2007/04/18/pet-food-recall-durbin-delauro-meet-with-fda-chief/ Blogging by a team of pet-care experts. Tue, 07 Feb 2012 07:26:07 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.2.1 By: 4lgdfriend http://www.petconnection.com/blog/2007/04/18/pet-food-recall-durbin-delauro-meet-with-fda-chief/comment-page-1/#comment-33392 4lgdfriend Thu, 19 Apr 2007 15:17:18 +0000 http://www.petconnection.com/blog/2007/04/18/pet-food-recall-durbin-delauro-meet-with-fda-chief/#comment-33392 The pink bag is nothing but a bullsh--cya. And so is their amazingly efficient response timeline if you ask me. The media is reporting industry spin not facts. WHAT REPORTER IS GETTING THE FACTS???? (since we cannot depend upon any agency responsible to the public to do so). Behind the whole scandal is the fact that these suppliers have NO motive to provide a product of benefit to "consumers" (I won't even say people/pets because we're only $ to them) but only a motive to make more and more and more money. Corporations need to have their rights as "citizens" revoked and be issued charters again by the PEOPLE they are supposed to benefit. If they do not provide benefit or break the public trust, their charter should be revoked. WE ARE CITIZENS HERE AND THEY ARE RESPONSIBLE TO US. AND SO IS OUR "GOVERNMENT"...... The pink bag is nothing but a bullsh—cya. And so is their amazingly efficient response timeline if you ask me. The media is reporting industry spin not facts. WHAT REPORTER IS GETTING THE FACTS???? (since we cannot depend upon any agency responsible to the public to do so).

Behind the whole scandal is the fact that these suppliers have NO motive to provide a product of benefit to “consumers” (I won’t even say people/pets because we’re only $ to them) but only a motive to make more and more and more money. Corporations need to have their rights as “citizens” revoked and be issued charters again by the PEOPLE they are supposed to benefit. If they do not provide benefit or break the public trust, their charter should be revoked. WE ARE CITIZENS HERE AND THEY ARE RESPONSIBLE TO US. AND SO IS OUR “GOVERNMENT”……

]]> By: Maureen (Lilly and Lucy's mom) http://www.petconnection.com/blog/2007/04/18/pet-food-recall-durbin-delauro-meet-with-fda-chief/comment-page-1/#comment-33234 Maureen (Lilly and Lucy's mom) Thu, 19 Apr 2007 06:20:16 +0000 http://www.petconnection.com/blog/2007/04/18/pet-food-recall-durbin-delauro-meet-with-fda-chief/#comment-33234 Someone asked me if I knew why China is selling food to the west (or anywhere) when their own people are starving. I guess its because people are greedy (the west) and can buy it cheaper from China and the Chinese companies are greedy and even selling it for less than the Western companies could buy it from other sources they make much more money than if it was bought and used in China. Isn't the US the largest producer of wheat? Why are we buying from China or othere areas of the world when we could use the grains grown in our own country? Someone asked me if I knew why China is selling food to the west (or anywhere) when their own people are starving.
I guess its because people are greedy (the west) and can buy it cheaper from China and the Chinese companies are greedy and even selling it for less than the Western companies could buy it from other sources they make much more money than if it was bought and used in China.
Isn’t the US the largest producer of wheat? Why are we buying from China or othere areas of the world when we could use the grains grown in our own country?

]]> By: Jill Weisenfeld http://www.petconnection.com/blog/2007/04/18/pet-food-recall-durbin-delauro-meet-with-fda-chief/comment-page-1/#comment-33233 Jill Weisenfeld Thu, 19 Apr 2007 06:18:59 +0000 http://www.petconnection.com/blog/2007/04/18/pet-food-recall-durbin-delauro-meet-with-fda-chief/#comment-33233 New news from USA Today regarding location of companies that bought the rice protein: The other four manufacturers have yet to be named, but are located in Utah, New York, Kansas and Missouri, Wilbur-Ellis said in a news release. http://www.usatoday.com/money/industries/2007-04-19-recall-usat_N.htm New news from USA Today regarding location of companies that bought the rice protein:

The other four manufacturers have yet to be named, but are located in Utah, New York, Kansas and Missouri, Wilbur-Ellis said in a news release.

http://www.usatoday.com/money/.....usat_N.htm

]]> By: straybaby http://www.petconnection.com/blog/2007/04/18/pet-food-recall-durbin-delauro-meet-with-fda-chief/comment-page-1/#comment-33219 straybaby Thu, 19 Apr 2007 04:50:38 +0000 http://www.petconnection.com/blog/2007/04/18/pet-food-recall-durbin-delauro-meet-with-fda-chief/#comment-33219 well heck, at least *they* haven't used "clerical error" . . . . yet. I'm tempted to go in the kitchen and empty a bag of salt and fill it with flour just to see the *contamination* level :p and where the heck is the stuff they've been importing since July?! EEP! I think everyone at the Marches should wear a T-shirt that says "I have a brain" or "I wasn't Born Yesterday" It's getting downright insulting. well heck, at least *they* haven’t used “clerical error” . . . . yet. I’m tempted to go in the kitchen and empty a bag of salt and fill it with flour just to see the *contamination* level :p

and where the heck is the stuff they’ve been importing since July?! EEP!

I think everyone at the Marches should wear a T-shirt that says “I have a brain” or “I wasn’t Born Yesterday” It’s getting downright insulting.

]]> By: Laura http://www.petconnection.com/blog/2007/04/18/pet-food-recall-durbin-delauro-meet-with-fda-chief/comment-page-1/#comment-33218 Laura Thu, 19 Apr 2007 04:49:45 +0000 http://www.petconnection.com/blog/2007/04/18/pet-food-recall-durbin-delauro-meet-with-fda-chief/#comment-33218 Comment by VJ — April 18, 2007 @ 9:41 pm You're right - you don't need a prescription to buy that stuff. Mostly because most the majority of it is snake oil - it flat-out doesn't work. You think the FDA is poorly regulated? Check out the dietary supplements trade. ZERO oversight. They could be selling you nuclear sawdust and no one would know. That said, though, Bach stuff DOES seem to work well. I've used Rescue Remedy on anxious dogs for years with reasonable effectiveness and no health side effects. It could be really useful for folks whose pets are refusing to eat - not because of the food, but because they're picking up on their owner's anxiety about the food. Comment by VJ — April 18, 2007 @ 9:41 pm

You’re right - you don’t need a prescription to buy that stuff. Mostly because most the majority of it is snake oil - it flat-out doesn’t work.

You think the FDA is poorly regulated? Check out the dietary supplements trade. ZERO oversight. They could be selling you nuclear sawdust and no one would know.

That said, though, Bach stuff DOES seem to work well. I’ve used Rescue Remedy on anxious dogs for years with reasonable effectiveness and no health side effects. It could be really useful for folks whose pets are refusing to eat - not because of the food, but because they’re picking up on their owner’s anxiety about the food.

]]> By: Laura http://www.petconnection.com/blog/2007/04/18/pet-food-recall-durbin-delauro-meet-with-fda-chief/comment-page-1/#comment-33217 Laura Thu, 19 Apr 2007 04:44:09 +0000 http://www.petconnection.com/blog/2007/04/18/pet-food-recall-durbin-delauro-meet-with-fda-chief/#comment-33217 Comment by straybaby — April 18, 2007 @ 10:27 pm You're right. Last I heard, neither the FDA nor the VIN would even confirm that melamine is the toxin. "It's just the marker," they say. So, sorry, but I ain't buyin' the dirty bag scenario. That's as clumsy a lie as the average five-year-old would come up with. Not to mention that the folks in the plant would have had to have been both color-blind and illiterate not to notice the suspect bag. Somehow, that seems unlikely. Comment by straybaby — April 18, 2007 @ 10:27 pm

You’re right.

Last I heard, neither the FDA nor the VIN would even confirm that melamine is the toxin. “It’s just the marker,” they say.

So, sorry, but I ain’t buyin’ the dirty bag scenario. That’s as clumsy a lie as the average five-year-old would come up with.

Not to mention that the folks in the plant would have had to have been both color-blind and illiterate not to notice the suspect bag. Somehow, that seems unlikely.

]]> By: straybaby http://www.petconnection.com/blog/2007/04/18/pet-food-recall-durbin-delauro-meet-with-fda-chief/comment-page-1/#comment-33212 straybaby Thu, 19 Apr 2007 04:27:19 +0000 http://www.petconnection.com/blog/2007/04/18/pet-food-recall-durbin-delauro-meet-with-fda-chief/#comment-33212 are we supposed to believe this?! "The source of the melamine remains unclear. It may have contaminated the rice protein through the reuse of dirty bags used to ship the products. Thacher said an April 4 delivery from Futian Biology included 146 1-ton bags of rice protein concentrate. All were white except for a single pink bag, which was stenciled “melamine.” Wilbur-Ellis isolated the entire shipment at a Portland, Ore. warehouse and sent out samples for testing. The pink bag’s contents tested positive for melamine while the two white bags tested were negative, Thacher said. Futian Biology later told Wilbur-Ellis that a damaged bag was replaced with a clean one, Thacher said. The company then “certified the product was all fine,” he added." I'm sorry, but dirty bags had enough Melamine to contaminate one ton each?! Enough so that pets were getting sick and dying from a supposedly non/low toxic material? And didn't I see that Natual Balance was saying it was a March 28th production run even though they were pulling everything to be thorough? And if the pink bag was replaced . . . Why do they keep acting like this is an accidental contamination? WHY?!?! Was I born yesterday and nobody told me? are we supposed to believe this?!

“The source of the melamine remains unclear. It may have contaminated the rice protein through the reuse of dirty bags used to ship the products.

Thacher said an April 4 delivery from Futian Biology included 146 1-ton bags of rice protein concentrate. All were white except for a single pink bag, which was stenciled “melamine.”

Wilbur-Ellis isolated the entire shipment at a Portland, Ore. warehouse and sent out samples for testing. The pink bag’s contents tested positive for melamine while the two white bags tested were negative, Thacher said.

Futian Biology later told Wilbur-Ellis that a damaged bag was replaced with a clean one, Thacher said. The company then “certified the product was all fine,” he added.”

I’m sorry, but dirty bags had enough Melamine to contaminate one ton each?! Enough so that pets were getting sick and dying from a supposedly non/low toxic material? And didn’t I see that Natual Balance was saying it was a March 28th production run even though they were pulling everything to be thorough? And if the pink bag was replaced . . . Why do they keep acting like this is an accidental contamination? WHY?!?!

Was I born yesterday and nobody told me?

]]> By: VJ http://www.petconnection.com/blog/2007/04/18/pet-food-recall-durbin-delauro-meet-with-fda-chief/comment-page-1/#comment-33199 VJ Thu, 19 Apr 2007 03:41:13 +0000 http://www.petconnection.com/blog/2007/04/18/pet-food-recall-durbin-delauro-meet-with-fda-chief/#comment-33199 It's late & I need to get some sleep. Up super early & gone all day tomorrow but need to say this. Earlier I'd replied to a comment regarding an overheard rumor about having to see a vet in order to get holistic food, supplements, etc. Don't remember which posting it was on. Just wanted to clarify. There is a group referred to as CODEX which is comprised of mega-pharmaca companies all over the world who want to take away our right to buy holistic, aromatherapy, supplements, homopathic NATURAL remedies. They only want us to use engineered drugs that they make billions of dollars from to poison our bodies. Not that in an emergency, manufactured drugs can definitely save lives. I'm all for saving life. I'm just saying don't get drawn into the doggie anxiety drug, etc. If you have a pet that suffers from anxiety there are flower essence remedies that work. If you use the incorrect one on your pet, it absolutely will do NO HARM. It would be like taking a sip of water. Does it normally harm you. No. The same remedy you give your pet, you can take at the same time for yourself because you are feeling what your pet is feeling. Two good books are "Bach Remedies" written by Bach himself & "Flower Essence Remedies" by Jessica Bear & Tricia Lewis. One more comment regarding CODEX. There is a coalition fighting it. It’s late & I need to get some sleep. Up super early & gone all day tomorrow but need to say this. Earlier I’d replied to a comment regarding an overheard rumor about having to see a vet in order to get holistic food, supplements, etc. Don’t remember which posting it was on. Just wanted to clarify. There is a group referred to as CODEX which is comprised of mega-pharmaca companies all over the world who want to take away our right to buy holistic, aromatherapy, supplements, homopathic NATURAL remedies. They only want us to use engineered drugs that they make billions of dollars from to poison our bodies. Not that in an emergency, manufactured drugs can definitely save lives. I’m all for saving life. I’m just saying don’t get drawn into the doggie anxiety drug, etc. If you have a pet that suffers from anxiety there are flower essence remedies that work. If you use the incorrect one on your pet, it absolutely will do NO HARM. It would be like taking a sip of water. Does it normally harm you. No. The same remedy you give your pet, you can take at the same time for yourself because you are feeling what your pet is feeling. Two good books are “Bach Remedies” written by Bach himself & “Flower Essence Remedies” by Jessica Bear & Tricia Lewis. One more comment regarding CODEX. There is a coalition fighting it.

]]> By: CathyA http://www.petconnection.com/blog/2007/04/18/pet-food-recall-durbin-delauro-meet-with-fda-chief/comment-page-1/#comment-33192 CathyA Thu, 19 Apr 2007 03:35:21 +0000 http://www.petconnection.com/blog/2007/04/18/pet-food-recall-durbin-delauro-meet-with-fda-chief/#comment-33192 About farmers.....lived in the middle of corn fields for years, now I live in the middle of citrus groves. Increase in housing developments are making our farms disappear. Rising property taxes for farmers, years of bad weather and plant disease make them give up and sell their land for millions. And the attitude of my county government is all aimed in one direction.....towards development. Your oranges are going to cost more in a few years as groves are rapidly disappearing. I've been bird dogging the county govt. who are in charge of the Land Use Plan. So it helps to get involved locally too. Farmers can barely make it - will be worse with rising fuel costs. Those subsidies for the family farmer (not corporate megafarms) sometimes make a difference between being there one year to the next. About farmers…..lived in the middle of corn fields for years, now I live in the middle of citrus groves. Increase in housing developments are making our farms disappear. Rising property taxes for farmers, years of bad weather and plant disease make them give up and sell their land for millions. And the attitude of my county government is all aimed in one direction…..towards development. Your oranges are going to cost more in a few years as groves are rapidly disappearing. I’ve been bird dogging the county govt. who are in charge of the Land Use Plan. So it helps to get involved locally too.

Farmers can barely make it - will be worse with rising fuel costs. Those subsidies for the family farmer (not corporate megafarms) sometimes make a difference between being there one year to the next.

]]> By: Jenny http://www.petconnection.com/blog/2007/04/18/pet-food-recall-durbin-delauro-meet-with-fda-chief/comment-page-1/#comment-33187 Jenny Thu, 19 Apr 2007 03:06:37 +0000 http://www.petconnection.com/blog/2007/04/18/pet-food-recall-durbin-delauro-meet-with-fda-chief/#comment-33187 Linda - I hope you don't go. You have had really good input to the forum. The comments I saw from johnnypaycut didn't seem offensive - but maybe they had been edited. Linda - I hope you don’t go. You have had really good input to the forum. The comments I saw from johnnypaycut didn’t seem offensive - but maybe they had been edited.

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