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		<title>By: funded research</title>
		<link>http://www.petconnection.com/blog/2007/04/12/pet-food-recall-hearing-is-now/comment-page-4/#comment-30614</link>
		<dc:creator>funded research</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 14 Apr 2007 05:07:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>about Funded Research

http://www.slate.com/id/2133061/

Rent-a-Researcher, by Jennifer Washburn  is a great article detailing how Procter &amp; Gamble (parent company of Iams pet food) tried to manipulate researchers investigating their osteoporosis drug.  One noble researcher, Aubrey Blumsohn, stood up against this scientific misconduct.

I don&#039;t know anything about Mr. Blumsohn other than what I&#039;ve read in Jennifer&#039;s article, but he is my new personal hero.   If you are disheartened by the all the shysters in this pet food scandal, Mr. Blumsohn&#039;s story will remind you that there are good people out there doing the right thing.

The article explains how P&amp;G perverts and manipulates the methods used in a &quot;blind&quot; study. The same sort of intentional perversion of the scientific process occurs in veterinary research.

For example, a pet food company will fund a study comparing two diets.  The pet food company provides the researcher with all the food to be used in the study.  Since the researcher doesn&#039;t know which food is which,supposedly his bias won&#039;t influence the outcome.

The problem: the researcher never actually finds out what was in the food.  He takes the word of the pet food company that supplied it.  

(sorry, no time to finish or proofread.  I&#039;m about to lose electricity.)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>about Funded Research</p>
<p><a href="http://www.slate.com/id/2133061/" rel="nofollow">http://www.slate.com/id/2133061/</a></p>
<p>Rent-a-Researcher, by Jennifer Washburn  is a great article detailing how Procter &amp; Gamble (parent company of Iams pet food) tried to manipulate researchers investigating their osteoporosis drug.  One noble researcher, Aubrey Blumsohn, stood up against this scientific misconduct.</p>
<p>I don&#8217;t know anything about Mr. Blumsohn other than what I&#8217;ve read in Jennifer&#8217;s article, but he is my new personal hero.   If you are disheartened by the all the shysters in this pet food scandal, Mr. Blumsohn&#8217;s story will remind you that there are good people out there doing the right thing.</p>
<p>The article explains how P&amp;G perverts and manipulates the methods used in a &#8220;blind&#8221; study. The same sort of intentional perversion of the scientific process occurs in veterinary research.</p>
<p>For example, a pet food company will fund a study comparing two diets.  The pet food company provides the researcher with all the food to be used in the study.  Since the researcher doesn&#8217;t know which food is which,supposedly his bias won&#8217;t influence the outcome.</p>
<p>The problem: the researcher never actually finds out what was in the food.  He takes the word of the pet food company that supplied it.  </p>
<p>(sorry, no time to finish or proofread.  I&#8217;m about to lose electricity.)</p>
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		<title>By: laura S</title>
		<link>http://www.petconnection.com/blog/2007/04/12/pet-food-recall-hearing-is-now/comment-page-4/#comment-30312</link>
		<dc:creator>laura S</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 13 Apr 2007 12:28:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>EVERYONE.....GREAT NEW WEBSITE:   www.pnv2.com has many up-to-date tools, a nation-wide map tracker of animals who have died from the poisoned foods, etc .  

ALSO.....THERE IS A NATIONWIDE MARCH PLANNED! THIS WEBSITE TELLS ALL ABOUT IT...GREAT SITE _ NEW APPROACH TO THIS HEARTBREAKING SUBJECT!!!!!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>EVERYONE&#8230;..GREAT NEW WEBSITE:   <a href="http://www.pnv2.com" rel="nofollow">http://www.pnv2.com</a> has many up-to-date tools, a nation-wide map tracker of animals who have died from the poisoned foods, etc .  </p>
<p>ALSO&#8230;..THERE IS A NATIONWIDE MARCH PLANNED! THIS WEBSITE TELLS ALL ABOUT IT&#8230;GREAT SITE _ NEW APPROACH TO THIS HEARTBREAKING SUBJECT!!!!!</p>
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		<title>By: Don</title>
		<link>http://www.petconnection.com/blog/2007/04/12/pet-food-recall-hearing-is-now/comment-page-4/#comment-30302</link>
		<dc:creator>Don</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 13 Apr 2007 11:40:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>More government regulation is not the answer.  Regulatory agencies have shown us over and over again that they are ill equipped to protect the public on a broad scale.  Simply take a look at how Katrina was mishandled.

Yesterday’s message was very clear.  No taxpayer-funded regulatory agency, congressional hearing, corporate or private industry, trade association, oversight commission, etc., will ever provide a 100% guarantee against a contaminated food supply – for pets or humans!

Food supplies are tested for previously known toxins ONLY- ones that have already been associated with unintentional or intentional contaminations.  It would be impossible and impractical to expect that all food products could be tested for all of the earth’s known toxins regardless of what continent they come from.

I have no doubt that the pet food recall will highlight the glaring lapses in what has been an inherently weak system comprised of incestuous subsidies between the food manufacturer’s and their vendors.  But that isn’t the problem.  The problem is that the consumer is expecting the impossible and those in charge, industry and government, do not have the fortitude to tell them the truth.  There CAN BE NO 100% GUARANTEE!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>More government regulation is not the answer.  Regulatory agencies have shown us over and over again that they are ill equipped to protect the public on a broad scale.  Simply take a look at how Katrina was mishandled.</p>
<p>Yesterday’s message was very clear.  No taxpayer-funded regulatory agency, congressional hearing, corporate or private industry, trade association, oversight commission, etc., will ever provide a 100% guarantee against a contaminated food supply – for pets or humans!</p>
<p>Food supplies are tested for previously known toxins ONLY- ones that have already been associated with unintentional or intentional contaminations.  It would be impossible and impractical to expect that all food products could be tested for all of the earth’s known toxins regardless of what continent they come from.</p>
<p>I have no doubt that the pet food recall will highlight the glaring lapses in what has been an inherently weak system comprised of incestuous subsidies between the food manufacturer’s and their vendors.  But that isn’t the problem.  The problem is that the consumer is expecting the impossible and those in charge, industry and government, do not have the fortitude to tell them the truth.  There CAN BE NO 100% GUARANTEE!</p>
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		<title>By: Maureen</title>
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		<dc:creator>Maureen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 13 Apr 2007 03:29:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Comment by CathyA — April 12, 2007 @ 7:50 pm

Re: &quot;It is an unfortunate fact that most Univ. research is funded by companies. There is not much govt money for doing basic research on anything and certainly there’s no basic research on dog nutrition - it’s all done by pet food companies.&quot;

Unfortunately, this is true to a startling degree regarding cancer and related research in humans.

I think we need to re-examine what we expect of government.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Comment by CathyA — April 12, 2007 @ 7:50 pm</p>
<p>Re: &#8220;It is an unfortunate fact that most Univ. research is funded by companies. There is not much govt money for doing basic research on anything and certainly there’s no basic research on dog nutrition - it’s all done by pet food companies.&#8221;</p>
<p>Unfortunately, this is true to a startling degree regarding cancer and related research in humans.</p>
<p>I think we need to re-examine what we expect of government.</p>
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		<title>By: CathyA</title>
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		<dc:creator>CathyA</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 13 Apr 2007 01:50:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>RE:  CLAUDIA KIRK RECEIVED MANY GRANTS FROM THE PET FOOD INDUSTRY.

....It is an unfortunate fact that most Univ. research is funded by companies.  There is not much govt money for doing basic research on anything and certainly there&#039;s no basic research on dog nutrition - it&#039;s all done by pet food companies.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>RE:  CLAUDIA KIRK RECEIVED MANY GRANTS FROM THE PET FOOD INDUSTRY.</p>
<p>&#8230;.It is an unfortunate fact that most Univ. research is funded by companies.  There is not much govt money for doing basic research on anything and certainly there&#8217;s no basic research on dog nutrition - it&#8217;s all done by pet food companies.</p>
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		<title>By: Linda</title>
		<link>http://www.petconnection.com/blog/2007/04/12/pet-food-recall-hearing-is-now/comment-page-4/#comment-30131</link>
		<dc:creator>Linda</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 13 Apr 2007 01:49:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I wanted to add that I think mentioning what China does as their state sanctioned policy towards animals and the environment, their citizens etc. is not racism.

They received so much world-wide criticism over their culling of dogs to stop rabies that they are reconsidering their policies. There&#039;s nothing wrong with us not liking such state sanctioned actions in China or speaking the truth of what is happening in China, maybe you just don&#039;t want it on this blog - maybe some of it sounds too harsh.

I do not hate Chinese people. But I do not agree with their official policies on many important issues. And that is why I do not buy China - to the best of my ability.

Linda MS.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I wanted to add that I think mentioning what China does as their state sanctioned policy towards animals and the environment, their citizens etc. is not racism.</p>
<p>They received so much world-wide criticism over their culling of dogs to stop rabies that they are reconsidering their policies. There&#8217;s nothing wrong with us not liking such state sanctioned actions in China or speaking the truth of what is happening in China, maybe you just don&#8217;t want it on this blog - maybe some of it sounds too harsh.</p>
<p>I do not hate Chinese people. But I do not agree with their official policies on many important issues. And that is why I do not buy China - to the best of my ability.</p>
<p>Linda MS.</p>
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		<title>By: Sindy</title>
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		<dc:creator>Sindy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 13 Apr 2007 01:48:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>If you go to the menufoods.com list, the Science Diet for cats was updated today.  It sends you directly to Hills website but says the information is not new?  Sounds like Hill&#039;s is starting to sweat about something and not making any sense.  Could there be something coming?  It&#039;s Friday tomorrow and I&#039;m worried.  Hill&#039;s is getting a lot of blogs about their dry lately.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If you go to the menufoods.com list, the Science Diet for cats was updated today.  It sends you directly to Hills website but says the information is not new?  Sounds like Hill&#8217;s is starting to sweat about something and not making any sense.  Could there be something coming?  It&#8217;s Friday tomorrow and I&#8217;m worried.  Hill&#8217;s is getting a lot of blogs about their dry lately.</p>
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		<title>By: Pam</title>
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		<dc:creator>Pam</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 13 Apr 2007 01:43:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This is a quote from the Kansas City Star article Steve linked earlier in this thread:  &quot;On Thursday, Menu broadened its recall to include more private and branded types of canned cat food, including products made for supermarket chain Price Chopper and for branded labels, including Nutro.&quot;  That article was published today.  I can&#039;t find anything anywhere else about more recalls today.  Does anyone know if this is just erroneous reporting, or have more products been added to the list today?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This is a quote from the Kansas City Star article Steve linked earlier in this thread:  &#8220;On Thursday, Menu broadened its recall to include more private and branded types of canned cat food, including products made for supermarket chain Price Chopper and for branded labels, including Nutro.&#8221;  That article was published today.  I can&#8217;t find anything anywhere else about more recalls today.  Does anyone know if this is just erroneous reporting, or have more products been added to the list today?</p>
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		<title>By: Linda</title>
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		<dc:creator>Linda</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 13 Apr 2007 01:42:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thank you Mary Smith.

Linda ms</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thank you Mary Smith.</p>
<p>Linda ms</p>
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		<title>By: jan</title>
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		<dc:creator>jan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 13 Apr 2007 01:09:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Me again.....Mandy, I just noticed you talking about some great foods you just switched to.  I may be wrong but I thought I read somewhere that Innova&#039;s wet food is made by Menu Foods.  Maybe I have them mixed up with someone else but you might want to check that out.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Me again&#8230;..Mandy, I just noticed you talking about some great foods you just switched to.  I may be wrong but I thought I read somewhere that Innova&#8217;s wet food is made by Menu Foods.  Maybe I have them mixed up with someone else but you might want to check that out.</p>
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