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		<title>By: Laura</title>
		<link>http://www.petconnection.com/blog/2007/04/11/pet-food-recall-odds-and-ends/comment-page-1/#comment-30096</link>
		<dc:creator>Laura</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 13 Apr 2007 00:23:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Bernie, 
I&#039;m sorry you feel that way. You probably would&#039;ve made a very good vet! 

But the facts are the facts. 

1.  Most good vet schools do a little more with nutrition than a guest lecturer from Hills!  Not that they&#039;re adequately trained - most will tell you they aren&#039;t. But they DO have to do continuing education, and I&#039;m betting there&#039;ll be a lot more classes on nutrition after all this. 

2. Not every pet who died of kidney failure over the past year died because of tainted food. it&#039;s sad when any pet dies, but the fact remains that chronic (not acute) kidney failure is a VERY common disease in cats AND dogs, not because of food, but because of old age...i.e., they&#039;re not dying of something else first, like they used to. 

It&#039;s a lot like humans and cancer. Genetics research tells us clearly that as DNA wears down with replication (look up telomeres, if you want more info), cells wear out and mistakes happen.  It&#039;s called the Hayflick limit. 

You&#039;re right, VIN has done an excellent job. Why? Because those same vets you accuse of disinterest have been interested enough to respond to VIN&#039;s voluntary surveys.  Oh yeah, the same vets who&#039;ve been &quot;bought off&quot; by the pet food industry. Yeah, whatever. 

Yes, there are bad vets. And bad doctors, and bad mechanics, etc. etc. But the majority have no interest in making your pet sick, or worse, which is what Patrick says in her term paper (and that&#039;s what it is, folks, not a published research article). 

I&#039;m sincerely *very* sorry for your loss. And I&#039;m NOT minimizing the fact that I think Menu and others killed hundreds if not thousands of pets.  But blaming your vet for what pet food companies did is missing the point..and taking what one &quot;radio expert&quot; says as proof of industry collusion is just poor reasoning. 

If you&#039;re not getting the responsiveness you want from your vet, ask your friends for recommendations for a new one - and then tell your old one why you&#039;re leaving. We talk a lot here about the power of the market. It&#039;s useful for a lot more than pet food.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Bernie,<br />
I&#8217;m sorry you feel that way. You probably would&#8217;ve made a very good vet! </p>
<p>But the facts are the facts. </p>
<p>1.  Most good vet schools do a little more with nutrition than a guest lecturer from Hills!  Not that they&#8217;re adequately trained - most will tell you they aren&#8217;t. But they DO have to do continuing education, and I&#8217;m betting there&#8217;ll be a lot more classes on nutrition after all this. </p>
<p>2. Not every pet who died of kidney failure over the past year died because of tainted food. it&#8217;s sad when any pet dies, but the fact remains that chronic (not acute) kidney failure is a VERY common disease in cats AND dogs, not because of food, but because of old age&#8230;i.e., they&#8217;re not dying of something else first, like they used to. </p>
<p>It&#8217;s a lot like humans and cancer. Genetics research tells us clearly that as DNA wears down with replication (look up telomeres, if you want more info), cells wear out and mistakes happen.  It&#8217;s called the Hayflick limit. </p>
<p>You&#8217;re right, VIN has done an excellent job. Why? Because those same vets you accuse of disinterest have been interested enough to respond to VIN&#8217;s voluntary surveys.  Oh yeah, the same vets who&#8217;ve been &#8220;bought off&#8221; by the pet food industry. Yeah, whatever. </p>
<p>Yes, there are bad vets. And bad doctors, and bad mechanics, etc. etc. But the majority have no interest in making your pet sick, or worse, which is what Patrick says in her term paper (and that&#8217;s what it is, folks, not a published research article). </p>
<p>I&#8217;m sincerely *very* sorry for your loss. And I&#8217;m NOT minimizing the fact that I think Menu and others killed hundreds if not thousands of pets.  But blaming your vet for what pet food companies did is missing the point..and taking what one &#8220;radio expert&#8221; says as proof of industry collusion is just poor reasoning. </p>
<p>If you&#8217;re not getting the responsiveness you want from your vet, ask your friends for recommendations for a new one - and then tell your old one why you&#8217;re leaving. We talk a lot here about the power of the market. It&#8217;s useful for a lot more than pet food.</p>
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		<title>By: Bernard J. (Bernie) Starzewski</title>
		<link>http://www.petconnection.com/blog/2007/04/11/pet-food-recall-odds-and-ends/comment-page-1/#comment-29724</link>
		<dc:creator>Bernard J. (Bernie) Starzewski</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 12 Apr 2007 14:26:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Just another note on the Dr. Sawchuk interview.  She said that previously the ENTIRE pet nutrition curriculum at the UW Vet school at one time consisted of a guest lecture by a rep from Hills.

What has happened since?  The lectures have been cut to her alone giving a single 50 minute lecture.
Sometimes Im glad that I was not accepted into Vet School.  I learned more back on the farm!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Just another note on the Dr. Sawchuk interview.  She said that previously the ENTIRE pet nutrition curriculum at the UW Vet school at one time consisted of a guest lecture by a rep from Hills.</p>
<p>What has happened since?  The lectures have been cut to her alone giving a single 50 minute lecture.<br />
Sometimes Im glad that I was not accepted into Vet School.  I learned more back on the farm!</p>
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		<title>By: Bernard J. (Bernie) Starzewski</title>
		<link>http://www.petconnection.com/blog/2007/04/11/pet-food-recall-odds-and-ends/comment-page-1/#comment-29720</link>
		<dc:creator>Bernard J. (Bernie) Starzewski</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 12 Apr 2007 14:18:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>While I now have a number of issues with our vet and they do sell food I cant say they ever pushed it on me.  However, the irony is not lost on me that they sell SCIENCE Diet brand and my main complaint is that they did not follow good science relying instead on a cursory exam allowing food that at least should have at least been considered suspect.

Take a little time and surf to this page from Wisconsin Public Radio.  Look for two particular shows from 3/21 and 3/22 on the subject.

http://www.wpr.org/webcasting/audioarchives_display.cfm?Code=jca

Note that on 3/22 the industry rep (a retail chain owner) makes what have now proven to be grossly misleading statements with regard to the completeness and accuracy of the recall list with absolutely nothing else to go on beyond that offered by the company itself.

Also interviewd on 3/22 was Dr. Sandy Sawchuk DVM of the University of Wisconsin who made the rather astounding speculation on that date that when she heard of the recall that maybe this was &quot;just a slow news day&quot;....  WHAT?

Also see her response to my call in to Larry Meiler&#039;s show on 4/11 that closely mirror the attitude of my vet.

http://wpr.org/webcasting/audioarchives_display.cfm?Code=mlr

Again, no exam and no red flags, no report the death or get the food tested... just those old &quot;red herrings&quot; again.

I have been both shocked and disgusted at the genereral lack of both scientific and intellectual curiosity on the part of the vet community.

I would however really like to comment the people at Vet Information Network for doing the good work that they ave done.  Maybe we need to recruit from their ranks to run our vet schools.

FYI: Wisconsin Public Radio has perhaps been one of my best sources of information on this and many other topics.  If you are not in range of a station listening via the internet is easy enough.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>While I now have a number of issues with our vet and they do sell food I cant say they ever pushed it on me.  However, the irony is not lost on me that they sell SCIENCE Diet brand and my main complaint is that they did not follow good science relying instead on a cursory exam allowing food that at least should have at least been considered suspect.</p>
<p>Take a little time and surf to this page from Wisconsin Public Radio.  Look for two particular shows from 3/21 and 3/22 on the subject.</p>
<p><a href="http://www.wpr.org/webcasting/audioarchives_display.cfm?Code=jca" rel="nofollow">http://www.wpr.org/webcasting/.....m?Code=jca</a></p>
<p>Note that on 3/22 the industry rep (a retail chain owner) makes what have now proven to be grossly misleading statements with regard to the completeness and accuracy of the recall list with absolutely nothing else to go on beyond that offered by the company itself.</p>
<p>Also interviewd on 3/22 was Dr. Sandy Sawchuk DVM of the University of Wisconsin who made the rather astounding speculation on that date that when she heard of the recall that maybe this was &#8220;just a slow news day&#8221;&#8230;.  WHAT?</p>
<p>Also see her response to my call in to Larry Meiler&#8217;s show on 4/11 that closely mirror the attitude of my vet.</p>
<p><a href="http://wpr.org/webcasting/audioarchives_display.cfm?Code=mlr" rel="nofollow">http://wpr.org/webcasting/audi.....m?Code=mlr</a></p>
<p>Again, no exam and no red flags, no report the death or get the food tested&#8230; just those old &#8220;red herrings&#8221; again.</p>
<p>I have been both shocked and disgusted at the genereral lack of both scientific and intellectual curiosity on the part of the vet community.</p>
<p>I would however really like to comment the people at Vet Information Network for doing the good work that they ave done.  Maybe we need to recruit from their ranks to run our vet schools.</p>
<p>FYI: Wisconsin Public Radio has perhaps been one of my best sources of information on this and many other topics.  If you are not in range of a station listening via the internet is easy enough.</p>
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		<title>By: Laura</title>
		<link>http://www.petconnection.com/blog/2007/04/11/pet-food-recall-odds-and-ends/comment-page-1/#comment-29516</link>
		<dc:creator>Laura</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 12 Apr 2007 03:40:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I have some real issues with the Patrick article cited by Jay, above, @6:15pm. (Full disclosure - my partner&#039;s a vet.)

In the opening, the author says, &quot;Veterinarians CAN earn 20%&quot; of their profits off of pet food.  Sure, they can, but the vast majority don&#039;t. (You could also say vets &quot;CAN&quot; kill your pet, but again, most don&#039;t, thanks.)  Nice scare tactic to start off the paper. Wonder what grade this got. 

Did anyone notice the footnote where Patrick talks about a vet she didn&#039;t like, and her cat&#039;s subsequent rescue by a friend who&#039;s a probiotic expert?  Gee, I wonder where her bias lies here. 

And the stuff about vet food companies &quot;buying off&quot; vet schools?  Yes, they do contribute a lot of money to research and services.  Like the imaging center at NC State, which has saved at least hundreds or maybe thousands of pets&#039; lives.  

Who paid for it? Iams.  Does this buy them a get out of jail card for tainted food? Of course not. But it also isn&#039;t proof of sinister intent. 

Who else do you think would have paid to fund that center with its expensive technology?  Hint: donors are NOT lining up. 

The final straw is Patrick&#039;s implication that, since vets only get paid when your pet gets sick, it&#039;s in their financial interest to keep them that way. Oh, for cryin&#039; out loud! Good vets promote preventive care and vaccinations, and when good owners listen, vets make money off that, too.  And NO vet makes a dime off a pet that isn&#039;t around anymore. 

As I&#039;ve said before on another thread, vets and vet students get a lot of crap pushed at them. But the vast majority are smart enough to know when they&#039;re being sold a bill of goods.  

Here&#039;s a simple solution: if your vet is flogging you to buy food (or any other products) at his/her office, find a vet who doesn&#039;t. You wouldn&#039;t put up with that kind of pressure from your doctor.  Why put up with it from your vet?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I have some real issues with the Patrick article cited by Jay, above, @6:15pm. (Full disclosure - my partner&#8217;s a vet.)</p>
<p>In the opening, the author says, &#8220;Veterinarians CAN earn 20%&#8221; of their profits off of pet food.  Sure, they can, but the vast majority don&#8217;t. (You could also say vets &#8220;CAN&#8221; kill your pet, but again, most don&#8217;t, thanks.)  Nice scare tactic to start off the paper. Wonder what grade this got. </p>
<p>Did anyone notice the footnote where Patrick talks about a vet she didn&#8217;t like, and her cat&#8217;s subsequent rescue by a friend who&#8217;s a probiotic expert?  Gee, I wonder where her bias lies here. </p>
<p>And the stuff about vet food companies &#8220;buying off&#8221; vet schools?  Yes, they do contribute a lot of money to research and services.  Like the imaging center at NC State, which has saved at least hundreds or maybe thousands of pets&#8217; lives.  </p>
<p>Who paid for it? Iams.  Does this buy them a get out of jail card for tainted food? Of course not. But it also isn&#8217;t proof of sinister intent. </p>
<p>Who else do you think would have paid to fund that center with its expensive technology?  Hint: donors are NOT lining up. </p>
<p>The final straw is Patrick&#8217;s implication that, since vets only get paid when your pet gets sick, it&#8217;s in their financial interest to keep them that way. Oh, for cryin&#8217; out loud! Good vets promote preventive care and vaccinations, and when good owners listen, vets make money off that, too.  And NO vet makes a dime off a pet that isn&#8217;t around anymore. </p>
<p>As I&#8217;ve said before on another thread, vets and vet students get a lot of crap pushed at them. But the vast majority are smart enough to know when they&#8217;re being sold a bill of goods.  </p>
<p>Here&#8217;s a simple solution: if your vet is flogging you to buy food (or any other products) at his/her office, find a vet who doesn&#8217;t. You wouldn&#8217;t put up with that kind of pressure from your doctor.  Why put up with it from your vet?</p>
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		<title>By: Lois Kimball</title>
		<link>http://www.petconnection.com/blog/2007/04/11/pet-food-recall-odds-and-ends/comment-page-1/#comment-29511</link>
		<dc:creator>Lois Kimball</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 12 Apr 2007 03:11:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Steve,  

You are so funny!  It&#039;s great to keep your sense of humor in a crisis.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Steve,  </p>
<p>You are so funny!  It&#8217;s great to keep your sense of humor in a crisis.</p>
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		<title>By: E. Hamilton</title>
		<link>http://www.petconnection.com/blog/2007/04/11/pet-food-recall-odds-and-ends/comment-page-1/#comment-29482</link>
		<dc:creator>E. Hamilton</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 12 Apr 2007 02:25:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>If Oprah and Procter &amp; Gamble get in a tussle , MY money is on Oprah!</description>
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		<title>By: E. Hamilton</title>
		<link>http://www.petconnection.com/blog/2007/04/11/pet-food-recall-odds-and-ends/comment-page-1/#comment-29480</link>
		<dc:creator>E. Hamilton</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 12 Apr 2007 02:23:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I wonder if any of the tabloid news places think that the pet food industry has poisoned Oprah&#039;s pup?
Gosh, that would make an entirely inappropriate headline.
PET FOOD POISONS OPRAH&#039;S PUP!
Probably sell a ton of issues.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I wonder if any of the tabloid news places think that the pet food industry has poisoned Oprah&#8217;s pup?<br />
Gosh, that would make an entirely inappropriate headline.<br />
PET FOOD POISONS OPRAH&#8217;S PUP!<br />
Probably sell a ton of issues.</p>
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		<title>By: Deb</title>
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		<dc:creator>Deb</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 12 Apr 2007 02:20:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Proctor &amp; Gamble is the largest marketer in the U.S.  Now, even though they own Iams and Eukenuba and they have been subject to these Menu Foods Income Fund recalls, no one seems to want to discuss that.  Nestle owns Purina and Del Monte owns a number of brands too.  Do you suppose if Oprah did an expose on this that her paper towel and tampon advertisers would drop her?  Or would they take her to court like the beef suppliers did in Texas?  Hmmm.   Wonder why she won&#039;t do a show on this?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Proctor &amp; Gamble is the largest marketer in the U.S.  Now, even though they own Iams and Eukenuba and they have been subject to these Menu Foods Income Fund recalls, no one seems to want to discuss that.  Nestle owns Purina and Del Monte owns a number of brands too.  Do you suppose if Oprah did an expose on this that her paper towel and tampon advertisers would drop her?  Or would they take her to court like the beef suppliers did in Texas?  Hmmm.   Wonder why she won&#8217;t do a show on this?</p>
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		<title>By: MonkeyKitty</title>
		<link>http://www.petconnection.com/blog/2007/04/11/pet-food-recall-odds-and-ends/comment-page-1/#comment-29471</link>
		<dc:creator>MonkeyKitty</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 12 Apr 2007 02:10:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>http://www.oprah.com/email/email_landing.jhtml

I can&#039;t hurt to send an email using the above link.  I have spammed as many media outlets as I can.  If they get enough email it usually gets the producers attention.

I have had enough of this Imus thing...too bad he didn&#039;t eat menu foods.  CNN has A.D.D I think.  They barely even talk about this issue anymore.</description>
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<p>I can&#8217;t hurt to send an email using the above link.  I have spammed as many media outlets as I can.  If they get enough email it usually gets the producers attention.</p>
<p>I have had enough of this Imus thing&#8230;too bad he didn&#8217;t eat menu foods.  CNN has A.D.D I think.  They barely even talk about this issue anymore.</p>
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		<title>By: Linda</title>
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		<dc:creator>Linda</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 12 Apr 2007 02:07:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Wonder whose commercials air on Oprah&#039;s program?

On another note, Menu&#039;s website needs updating. Instead of puppies eating out of bowls we need puppy photos after their menu meals - if you know what I mean.

Linda MS</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Wonder whose commercials air on Oprah&#8217;s program?</p>
<p>On another note, Menu&#8217;s website needs updating. Instead of puppies eating out of bowls we need puppy photos after their menu meals - if you know what I mean.</p>
<p>Linda MS</p>
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