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	<title>Comments on: Pet-food recall: FDA issues an overview, Wal-Mart blocks tainted food at the registers</title>
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		<title>By: christen Padgett</title>
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		<dc:creator>christen Padgett</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 09 Apr 2007 02:48:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I BEG TO DIFFER WITH WALMART PLACING A  nationwide block on all recall products at their checkout scanners as an extra precaution BECAUSE I JUST BOUGHT DOG FOOD THAT WAS RECALLED FROM THE ELIZABETHON, TN. WALMART TODAY!!! SO THE BEST ADVICE I CAN GIVE IS TO WATCH WHAT YOU BUY YOUR PETS. BECAUSE THEY ARE CARELESS. IT HAS TWICE WITH TWO DIFFERENT BRANDS.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I BEG TO DIFFER WITH WALMART PLACING A  nationwide block on all recall products at their checkout scanners as an extra precaution BECAUSE I JUST BOUGHT DOG FOOD THAT WAS RECALLED FROM THE ELIZABETHON, TN. WALMART TODAY!!! SO THE BEST ADVICE I CAN GIVE IS TO WATCH WHAT YOU BUY YOUR PETS. BECAUSE THEY ARE CARELESS. IT HAS TWICE WITH TWO DIFFERENT BRANDS.</p>
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		<title>By: CathyA</title>
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		<dc:creator>CathyA</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 08 Apr 2007 22:53:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>RE:  Recall list out of date
Comment by Bernard J. (Bernie) Starzewski — April 8, 2007 @ 9:07 am

I think she has a sick kitty.  People keep asking for more and more from those who have put in hours for days on end.  Ease up.  Be nice.  Be ashamed.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>RE:  Recall list out of date<br />
Comment by Bernard J. (Bernie) Starzewski — April 8, 2007 @ 9:07 am</p>
<p>I think she has a sick kitty.  People keep asking for more and more from those who have put in hours for days on end.  Ease up.  Be nice.  Be ashamed.</p>
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		<title>By: CathyA</title>
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		<dc:creator>CathyA</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 08 Apr 2007 22:49:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>RE:  Adding water to dry food
Comment by Carolyn — April 8, 2007 @ 5:27 am

Most people let food sit around half a day if pets don&#039;t eat it.  If you wet the food and dog eats it all, that&#039;s fine.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>RE:  Adding water to dry food<br />
Comment by Carolyn — April 8, 2007 @ 5:27 am</p>
<p>Most people let food sit around half a day if pets don&#8217;t eat it.  If you wet the food and dog eats it all, that&#8217;s fine.</p>
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		<title>By: I work for a Vet</title>
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		<dc:creator>I work for a Vet</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 08 Apr 2007 21:22:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The 3 Dr. practice I work in has been seeing an increased number of &#039;upset tummy&#039; cases, pets with vomiting, diarrhea, kidney and liver failure for at least a month prior to the recall announcement. This is normally our &#039;slow&#039; season, and we&#039;ve been anything but SLOW. Just last Sat, we had 10 walk-in cases alone, and that&#039;s an unusually high amount of walk-ins for one day at our practice, which is a vet hospital.

I would definitely continue a vigil on the recalled foods and the available foods, but keep in mind, that it is still difficult to determine, with accuracy, if the food is the culprit in many cases. We can only attribute 2-3 cases we&#039;ve seen to recalled food, and those have been reported to the FDA.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The 3 Dr. practice I work in has been seeing an increased number of &#8216;upset tummy&#8217; cases, pets with vomiting, diarrhea, kidney and liver failure for at least a month prior to the recall announcement. This is normally our &#8216;slow&#8217; season, and we&#8217;ve been anything but SLOW. Just last Sat, we had 10 walk-in cases alone, and that&#8217;s an unusually high amount of walk-ins for one day at our practice, which is a vet hospital.</p>
<p>I would definitely continue a vigil on the recalled foods and the available foods, but keep in mind, that it is still difficult to determine, with accuracy, if the food is the culprit in many cases. We can only attribute 2-3 cases we&#8217;ve seen to recalled food, and those have been reported to the FDA.</p>
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		<title>By: Gail B</title>
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		<dc:creator>Gail B</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 08 Apr 2007 17:32:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>How do we get the media to stop repeating the canard that this contaminated food &quot;has killed at least 16 dogs and cats&quot;?  I think it is well established that hundreds of dogs and cats have died and thousands have be permanently diabled - yet we keep reading this minimizing language that undercuts the efforts of concerned pet owners across the country.

Even if they can&#039;t write difinitively that the hundreds that are alleged to have died did so from the contaminated food, because it hasn&#039;t been proven by independent testing, they could be writing &quot;suspected to have&quot; and in doing so give a more representative picture of the impact that this disaster has had on the people and pet owners affected.

It just drives me crazy to read, this long after all the information has been disseminated, reports that downplay the scope of the damage that has been done.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>How do we get the media to stop repeating the canard that this contaminated food &#8220;has killed at least 16 dogs and cats&#8221;?  I think it is well established that hundreds of dogs and cats have died and thousands have be permanently diabled - yet we keep reading this minimizing language that undercuts the efforts of concerned pet owners across the country.</p>
<p>Even if they can&#8217;t write difinitively that the hundreds that are alleged to have died did so from the contaminated food, because it hasn&#8217;t been proven by independent testing, they could be writing &#8220;suspected to have&#8221; and in doing so give a more representative picture of the impact that this disaster has had on the people and pet owners affected.</p>
<p>It just drives me crazy to read, this long after all the information has been disseminated, reports that downplay the scope of the damage that has been done.</p>
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		<title>By: Bernard J. (Bernie) Starzewski</title>
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		<dc:creator>Bernard J. (Bernie) Starzewski</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 08 Apr 2007 15:07:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>RE: POSTING by Russel via Sandy K.

I too believe that the list is very incomplete!

I have posted again and again that my old freind Brandy had all of the symtoms attributed to aminopterin poisoning after eating just 11 cans of Sprout Beef Cuts &amp; Gravy.  She was too sick to eat after that.  While that food is on the list her lot exp date was Oct 25 09.

I reported this to the FDA and the man took all of the information and asked me to hold the cans for pickup and testing.  That was one week ago last Friday.  On taking all of her information down he agreed that it certainly tended to support the idea that all of the lots had not been identified yet nor were the actual agents causing the illnesses.

Could she have been sick for some other reason?  There is always that possibility, yes.  But what are the odds?

The lot list has grown and grown from the first day.  Then they announced that this was due to a change in suppliers now identified as Chem Nutra and that the first shipment was used in production on December 3rd.  Now they advise that it was first used on November 8th.  Yet many of the products on the list still do not identify lots earlier than January.

The entire list has been a moving target from day one.

One other note:  I could not help but notice that the list as published on howl911.com is grossly out of date.  They need to get that corrected or people may have a false sense of confidence about known recalled product that even the ever shifting Menu list identifies as bad!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>RE: POSTING by Russel via Sandy K.</p>
<p>I too believe that the list is very incomplete!</p>
<p>I have posted again and again that my old freind Brandy had all of the symtoms attributed to aminopterin poisoning after eating just 11 cans of Sprout Beef Cuts &amp; Gravy.  She was too sick to eat after that.  While that food is on the list her lot exp date was Oct 25 09.</p>
<p>I reported this to the FDA and the man took all of the information and asked me to hold the cans for pickup and testing.  That was one week ago last Friday.  On taking all of her information down he agreed that it certainly tended to support the idea that all of the lots had not been identified yet nor were the actual agents causing the illnesses.</p>
<p>Could she have been sick for some other reason?  There is always that possibility, yes.  But what are the odds?</p>
<p>The lot list has grown and grown from the first day.  Then they announced that this was due to a change in suppliers now identified as Chem Nutra and that the first shipment was used in production on December 3rd.  Now they advise that it was first used on November 8th.  Yet many of the products on the list still do not identify lots earlier than January.</p>
<p>The entire list has been a moving target from day one.</p>
<p>One other note:  I could not help but notice that the list as published on howl911.com is grossly out of date.  They need to get that corrected or people may have a false sense of confidence about known recalled product that even the ever shifting Menu list identifies as bad!</p>
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		<title>By: Georgeann Heckman</title>
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		<dc:creator>Georgeann Heckman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 08 Apr 2007 13:32:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>IF YOU CAN&#039;T WET DRY DOG FOOD WHY DO THEY SELL IAMS SAVORY GRAVY SAUCE IN A BOTTLE TO PUT ON TOP OF THE IAMS DRY DOG FOOD?  SO THIS MEANS NO GRAVY?  WHY DO THEY SELL IT?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>IF YOU CAN&#8217;T WET DRY DOG FOOD WHY DO THEY SELL IAMS SAVORY GRAVY SAUCE IN A BOTTLE TO PUT ON TOP OF THE IAMS DRY DOG FOOD?  SO THIS MEANS NO GRAVY?  WHY DO THEY SELL IT?</p>
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		<title>By: Carolyn</title>
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		<dc:creator>Carolyn</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 08 Apr 2007 11:27:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Wal-Mart is still the same old cheap, obsessed with profits company it always was. Who&#039;s this quack they hired?

Carib Journal
Pet Food Recall: What’s Happening?
April 2007 Ann Baker [Staff Writer]

On Friday, Wal-Mart revealed that it has teamed with veterinarian and nutritionist Dr. Sean Delaney to provide consumers pet food solutions.

“Here at Wal-Mart, we acted quickly and responsibly on the related advice from the FDA and know it’s been a confusing time for pet owners,” said Scott McCall, senior vice president of Wal-Mart. “We also want to help our customers, not only feel confident in the pet food choices they make, but find solutions that work for them and their pets.”

...

“Wal-Mart’s efforts to provide safe and easy options for feeding pets are very helpful for pet lovers,” said Dr. Delaney. The accredited veterinarian and nutritionist suggests a few common sense tips that may make the transition more enjoyable for both pets and their human families.

With many pet owners transitioning their pets in recent days from wet pet food varieties to dry selections, Dr. Delaney recommends adding one cup of warm water to each cup of dry food to make the food more appetizing for the pet. This will safely increase the moisture level to the amount found in most canned foods and help pets become more quickly accustomed to the transition. This strategy will also help the dry food mimic the pet’s former wet food and using warm water will help release aromas that can improve palatability.

BUT WAIT A MINUTE... this is what the Animal Protection Institute recommends... don&#039;t add water:

Although the cooking process kills bacteria in the ingredients, the final product can pick up more bacteria during the subsequent drying, coating, and packaging process. Some experts warn that getting dry food wet can allow the bacteria on the surface to multiply and make pets sick. Do not mix dry food with water, milk, canned food, or other liquids.

From &quot;Get The Facts: What’s Really in Pet Food&quot; at http://www.api4animals.org/facts?p=359&amp;more=1</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Wal-Mart is still the same old cheap, obsessed with profits company it always was. Who&#8217;s this quack they hired?</p>
<p>Carib Journal<br />
Pet Food Recall: What’s Happening?<br />
April 2007 Ann Baker [Staff Writer]</p>
<p>On Friday, Wal-Mart revealed that it has teamed with veterinarian and nutritionist Dr. Sean Delaney to provide consumers pet food solutions.</p>
<p>“Here at Wal-Mart, we acted quickly and responsibly on the related advice from the FDA and know it’s been a confusing time for pet owners,” said Scott McCall, senior vice president of Wal-Mart. “We also want to help our customers, not only feel confident in the pet food choices they make, but find solutions that work for them and their pets.”</p>
<p>&#8230;</p>
<p>“Wal-Mart’s efforts to provide safe and easy options for feeding pets are very helpful for pet lovers,” said Dr. Delaney. The accredited veterinarian and nutritionist suggests a few common sense tips that may make the transition more enjoyable for both pets and their human families.</p>
<p>With many pet owners transitioning their pets in recent days from wet pet food varieties to dry selections, Dr. Delaney recommends adding one cup of warm water to each cup of dry food to make the food more appetizing for the pet. This will safely increase the moisture level to the amount found in most canned foods and help pets become more quickly accustomed to the transition. This strategy will also help the dry food mimic the pet’s former wet food and using warm water will help release aromas that can improve palatability.</p>
<p>BUT WAIT A MINUTE&#8230; this is what the Animal Protection Institute recommends&#8230; don&#8217;t add water:</p>
<p>Although the cooking process kills bacteria in the ingredients, the final product can pick up more bacteria during the subsequent drying, coating, and packaging process. Some experts warn that getting dry food wet can allow the bacteria on the surface to multiply and make pets sick. Do not mix dry food with water, milk, canned food, or other liquids.</p>
<p>From &#8220;Get The Facts: What’s Really in Pet Food&#8221; at <a href="http://www.api4animals.org/facts?p=359&amp;more=1" rel="nofollow">http://www.api4animals.org/facts?p=359&amp;more=1</a></p>
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		<title>By: DeeAnn</title>
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		<dc:creator>DeeAnn</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 08 Apr 2007 08:34:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>If you go to this website
http://www.pesticideinfo.org/Search_Chemicals.jsp
and type in Melamine, 
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Scroll down to the very bottom of the Melamine page where it says: 
Related Chemicals Heading----for Melamine---and it shows Cyromazine as a Parent chemical and Melamine is a breakdown product of the parent chemical.  Cyromazine metabolizes to Melamine.
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Here is a study showing Cyromazine/Melamine not being fatal/toxic to dogs. 

http://www.epa.gov/EPA-PEST/1999/September/Day-15/p24047.htm

In a 6-month feeding study in dogs the NOAEL was 30 ppm (0.75 mg/ kg). The LOAEL was 300.0 ppm (7.5 mg/kg) based upon decreased hematocrit and decreased hemoglobin. Groups of male and female beagle dogs (4/sex/dose) were fed diets containing cyromazine at 0, 30, 300, or 3,000 ppm (0, 0.75, 7.5, or 75 mg/kg/day, respectively) for 6- months. No treatment related effects were observed in survival, clinical signs or body weight parameters. Pronounced effects on hematologic parameters, were manifested as decreases in hematocrit and hemoglobin levels at 300 and 3,000 ppm. 
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The FDA said a few days ago Melamine was probably a marker for something else.
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Cyromazine is used on Celery    Head Lettuce    Leaf Lettuce    Spinach    Onions   Tomatoes and a lot of other things. It is a known ground water Contaminant.  

http://www.pesticideinfo.org/Detail_ChemUse.jsp?Rec_Id=PC33510
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It appears Melamine on its own is not a strong contender, unless, maybe the levels were way up there.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If you go to this website<br />
<a href="http://www.pesticideinfo.org/Search_Chemicals.jsp" rel="nofollow">http://www.pesticideinfo.org/Search_Chemicals.jsp</a><br />
and type in Melamine,<br />
&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;-</p>
<p>Scroll down to the very bottom of the Melamine page where it says:<br />
Related Chemicals Heading&#8212;&#8212;for Melamine&#8212;-and it shows Cyromazine as a Parent chemical and Melamine is a breakdown product of the parent chemical.  Cyromazine metabolizes to Melamine.<br />
&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;-</p>
<p>Here is a study showing Cyromazine/Melamine not being fatal/toxic to dogs. </p>
<p><a href="http://www.epa.gov/EPA-PEST/1999/September/Day-15/p24047.htm" rel="nofollow">http://www.epa.gov/EPA-PEST/19.....p24047.htm</a></p>
<p>In a 6-month feeding study in dogs the NOAEL was 30 ppm (0.75 mg/ kg). The LOAEL was 300.0 ppm (7.5 mg/kg) based upon decreased hematocrit and decreased hemoglobin. Groups of male and female beagle dogs (4/sex/dose) were fed diets containing cyromazine at 0, 30, 300, or 3,000 ppm (0, 0.75, 7.5, or 75 mg/kg/day, respectively) for 6- months. No treatment related effects were observed in survival, clinical signs or body weight parameters. Pronounced effects on hematologic parameters, were manifested as decreases in hematocrit and hemoglobin levels at 300 and 3,000 ppm.<br />
&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;-</p>
<p>The FDA said a few days ago Melamine was probably a marker for something else.<br />
&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;-</p>
<p>Cyromazine is used on Celery    Head Lettuce    Leaf Lettuce    Spinach    Onions   Tomatoes and a lot of other things. It is a known ground water Contaminant.  </p>
<p><a href="http://www.pesticideinfo.org/Detail_ChemUse.jsp?Rec_Id=PC33510" rel="nofollow">http://www.pesticideinfo.org/D.....Id=PC33510</a><br />
&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;-</p>
<p>It appears Melamine on its own is not a strong contender, unless, maybe the levels were way up there.</p>
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		<title>By: Lynn</title>
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		<dc:creator>Lynn</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 08 Apr 2007 08:08:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>CYROMAZINE TOXICITY

http://www.emea.eu.int/pdfs/vet/mrls/060699en.pdf

I just “love” how certain sections claim this is non-teratogenic and non-toxic in those instances.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>CYROMAZINE TOXICITY</p>
<p><a href="http://www.emea.eu.int/pdfs/vet/mrls/060699en.pdf" rel="nofollow">http://www.emea.eu.int/pdfs/vet/mrls/060699en.pdf</a></p>
<p>I just “love” how certain sections claim this is non-teratogenic and non-toxic in those instances.</p>
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