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	<title>Comments on: Pet-food recall: Where&#8217;s the wheat?</title>
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		<title>By: Addison</title>
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		<dc:creator>Addison</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 16 Apr 2007 21:50:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Television news shows continue to show cat food products that are
not on the poison list as they report about wheat gluten problem.
CNN and NBC affiliates are leading us down the wrong path?  Is this
irresponsible reporting or a warning to consumers???</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Television news shows continue to show cat food products that are<br />
not on the poison list as they report about wheat gluten problem.<br />
CNN and NBC affiliates are leading us down the wrong path?  Is this<br />
irresponsible reporting or a warning to consumers???</p>
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		<title>By: MonkeyKitty</title>
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		<dc:creator>MonkeyKitty</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 04 Apr 2007 16:15:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>That would have been more meaningful to pets and their familys rather than sending an attorney after howl911.

People need reassurance not threats of litigation.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>That would have been more meaningful to pets and their familys rather than sending an attorney after howl911.</p>
<p>People need reassurance not threats of litigation.</p>
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		<title>By: Valarie</title>
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		<dc:creator>Valarie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 04 Apr 2007 16:12:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Joy
It&#039;s crossed my mind several times that maybe there is something involved with the cans and pouches. What are they--tin, aluminum? The pouches have aluminum foil inside. Wonder if anyone is checking on that aspect. Have to commend all of you out there. Have been following this website since the beginning of the recall and you know your stuff and how to find information. Keep up the fantastic work. Also, yes, let us not let this be swept away. If Blue Buffalo doesn&#039;t like the comments then they should be forthright in reporting ALL the suppliers of their products and ALL the ingredients that go into the final product.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Joy<br />
It&#8217;s crossed my mind several times that maybe there is something involved with the cans and pouches. What are they&#8212;tin, aluminum? The pouches have aluminum foil inside. Wonder if anyone is checking on that aspect. Have to commend all of you out there. Have been following this website since the beginning of the recall and you know your stuff and how to find information. Keep up the fantastic work. Also, yes, let us not let this be swept away. If Blue Buffalo doesn&#8217;t like the comments then they should be forthright in reporting ALL the suppliers of their products and ALL the ingredients that go into the final product.</p>
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		<title>By: MonkeyKitty</title>
		<link>http://www.petconnection.com/blog/2007/04/03/pet-food-recall-wheres-the-wheat-and-counting-the-canaries/comment-page-7/#comment-24328</link>
		<dc:creator>MonkeyKitty</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 04 Apr 2007 16:03:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>CNN International is doing a segment on China and the poisoned ingredients.  It would appear that they are going to the actual source of the contaminated ingredients.

FYI</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>CNN International is doing a segment on China and the poisoned ingredients.  It would appear that they are going to the actual source of the contaminated ingredients.</p>
<p>FYI</p>
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		<title>By: Bernard J. (Bernie) Starzewski</title>
		<link>http://www.petconnection.com/blog/2007/04/03/pet-food-recall-wheres-the-wheat-and-counting-the-canaries/comment-page-7/#comment-24308</link>
		<dc:creator>Bernard J. (Bernie) Starzewski</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 04 Apr 2007 15:50:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Here&#039;s a little more...

I cannot find a single poison control or information site that describes sysmptoms of melamine poisoning consistent with those described as affecting dead or sick pets.
Most notably absent is any reference to kidney failure or any kind of urination problem.  Neither is there any reference to loss of apetite or anything else on the vin list or in my experience with Brandy.

The only reference I can find to any accute symtoms of any kind in association with melamine is that it gives off HCN (Hydrogen Cyanide) but only when burned!  HCN was not identified by the FDA and as it turns out this is common to alot of plastics related products including polyurethane foam.

The ONLY places I find those kind of allegations are in press reports in association with the pet food recall.  So, WHERE are they getting this information on symptoms???  Press releases from the company or FDA?

Whats up with this and why hasnt anyone else questioned this?
I&#039;m looking to be proven wrong here so any additional information is welcome!

Bernie</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Here&#8217;s a little more&#8230;</p>
<p>I cannot find a single poison control or information site that describes sysmptoms of melamine poisoning consistent with those described as affecting dead or sick pets.<br />
Most notably absent is any reference to kidney failure or any kind of urination problem.  Neither is there any reference to loss of apetite or anything else on the vin list or in my experience with Brandy.</p>
<p>The only reference I can find to any accute symtoms of any kind in association with melamine is that it gives off HCN (Hydrogen Cyanide) but only when burned!  HCN was not identified by the FDA and as it turns out this is common to alot of plastics related products including polyurethane foam.</p>
<p>The ONLY places I find those kind of allegations are in press reports in association with the pet food recall.  So, WHERE are they getting this information on symptoms???  Press releases from the company or FDA?</p>
<p>Whats up with this and why hasnt anyone else questioned this?<br />
I&#8217;m looking to be proven wrong here so any additional information is welcome!</p>
<p>Bernie</p>
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		<title>By: MonkeyKitty</title>
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		<dc:creator>MonkeyKitty</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 04 Apr 2007 15:48:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Before this recall Vets were blaming the sickness of cats and dogs on eating rat poison.  Cat deaths especially were just chalked up by eating rodents that had eaten rat poison even though some of them weren&#039;t outdoor cats.

Something else is going on here without independent research I personally think we will never find the true root cause, not from the FDA at least.

This whole time the FDA has been reactionary not proactive in finding the true cause.

In response to the CNN Anderson Cooper 360 they published this report since now they are being investigated by Congress.

In response to the CNN Anderson Cooper 360 they published this report since now they are being investigated by Congress.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Before this recall Vets were blaming the sickness of cats and dogs on eating rat poison.  Cat deaths especially were just chalked up by eating rodents that had eaten rat poison even though some of them weren&#8217;t outdoor cats.</p>
<p>Something else is going on here without independent research I personally think we will never find the true root cause, not from the FDA at least.</p>
<p>This whole time the FDA has been reactionary not proactive in finding the true cause.</p>
<p>In response to the CNN Anderson Cooper 360 they published this report since now they are being investigated by Congress.</p>
<p>In response to the CNN Anderson Cooper 360 they published this report since now they are being investigated by Congress.</p>
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		<title>By: Bernard J. (Bernie) Starzewski</title>
		<link>http://www.petconnection.com/blog/2007/04/03/pet-food-recall-wheres-the-wheat-and-counting-the-canaries/comment-page-6/#comment-24262</link>
		<dc:creator>Bernard J. (Bernie) Starzewski</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 04 Apr 2007 15:17:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Here&#039;s a little evidence to back up my claims:
Link to original: http://www.pesticideinfo.org/Detail_Poisoning.jsp?Rec_Id=PC35459#Symptoms
Melamine is a Triazine compound.
	
Symptoms of Poisoning with Triazine Compounds
	
Find Products Containing this Chemical

Acute systemic toxicity is unlikely unless large amounts have been ingested.
- Irritation of eyes, skin and respiratory tract.

Just as I predicted, melamine is not considered acutely poisonous.
So..... WHY ARE WE LISTENING TO THIS??????

My old pal Brandy knew alot of tricks but she would never roll over and play dead for anyone!
Neither should we!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Here&#8217;s a little evidence to back up my claims:<br />
Link to original: <a href="http://www.pesticideinfo.org/Detail_Poisoning.jsp?Rec_Id=PC35459#Symptoms" rel="nofollow">http://www.pesticideinfo.org/D.....9#Symptoms</a><br />
Melamine is a Triazine compound.</p>
<p>Symptoms of Poisoning with Triazine Compounds</p>
<p>Find Products Containing this Chemical</p>
<p>Acute systemic toxicity is unlikely unless large amounts have been ingested.<br />
- Irritation of eyes, skin and respiratory tract.</p>
<p>Just as I predicted, melamine is not considered acutely poisonous.<br />
So&#8230;.. WHY ARE WE LISTENING TO THIS??????</p>
<p>My old pal Brandy knew alot of tricks but she would never roll over and play dead for anyone!<br />
Neither should we!</p>
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		<title>By: Bernard J. (Bernie) Starzewski</title>
		<link>http://www.petconnection.com/blog/2007/04/03/pet-food-recall-wheres-the-wheat-and-counting-the-canaries/comment-page-6/#comment-24248</link>
		<dc:creator>Bernard J. (Bernie) Starzewski</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 04 Apr 2007 15:06:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yes Gary, that is precisely my point.

Beyond that, melamine is a relatively inert substance.  It is the primary component in the old 1950s era plateware known as Melmac(tm).  I still have the old set my mom had and infact was using one of the plates to feed Brandy.  We still use them in emergencies - you just cant put them in the micro-wave.  

While pure melamine will break down it does so very slowly and as had been demonstrated by other bloggers here it is in fact used routinely in can processing and other places.  It is not in fact all THAT toxic (although we do not know what concentrations are involved here).  It&#039;s uses have been described as a slow release fertilizer mostly used in forestry.  That would tend to mean that it is releasing nitrogen (or maybe phosphorus?) over long periods of time.  As an X farmer this does not sound like something that could cause the acute symptoms observed.

My vet initially described Brandy&#039;s symptoms as &quot;Red Herrings&quot; for her old bladder problem.  (i.e. something meant to distract).  I think that is what we are dealing with here - a distraction in the absence of facts.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yes Gary, that is precisely my point.</p>
<p>Beyond that, melamine is a relatively inert substance.  It is the primary component in the old 1950s era plateware known as Melmac(tm).  I still have the old set my mom had and infact was using one of the plates to feed Brandy.  We still use them in emergencies - you just cant put them in the micro-wave.  </p>
<p>While pure melamine will break down it does so very slowly and as had been demonstrated by other bloggers here it is in fact used routinely in can processing and other places.  It is not in fact all THAT toxic (although we do not know what concentrations are involved here).  It&#8217;s uses have been described as a slow release fertilizer mostly used in forestry.  That would tend to mean that it is releasing nitrogen (or maybe phosphorus?) over long periods of time.  As an X farmer this does not sound like something that could cause the acute symptoms observed.</p>
<p>My vet initially described Brandy&#8217;s symptoms as &#8220;Red Herrings&#8221; for her old bladder problem.  (i.e. something meant to distract).  I think that is what we are dealing with here - a distraction in the absence of facts.</p>
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		<title>By: Sue Dunn</title>
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		<dc:creator>Sue Dunn</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 04 Apr 2007 14:54:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>http://www.chennaicustoms.gov.in/NOTE/pn2004/pn076_2004.htm

They have dumped melamine in other counties in the past.  If it&#039;s stored out in the open at the exporter&#039;s site almost anything could get in it, including carcinogenic aflatoxin.  What else could they be dumping and it&#039;s getting thru because of lack of regulation and inspection?  We should elevate the status of pets to more than worth their &#039;property value&#039; to protect ourselves!  Fraud and misrepresentation damages are not so limited.  Let&#039;s get some legislation on this going!  This would put more teeth in it!  Also, accountability in the reporting systems to back it up.  16 dogs?  Yeah.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a href="http://www.chennaicustoms.gov.in/NOTE/pn2004/pn076_2004.htm" rel="nofollow">http://www.chennaicustoms.gov......6_2004.htm</a></p>
<p>They have dumped melamine in other counties in the past.  If it&#8217;s stored out in the open at the exporter&#8217;s site almost anything could get in it, including carcinogenic aflatoxin.  What else could they be dumping and it&#8217;s getting thru because of lack of regulation and inspection?  We should elevate the status of pets to more than worth their &#8216;property value&#8217; to protect ourselves!  Fraud and misrepresentation damages are not so limited.  Let&#8217;s get some legislation on this going!  This would put more teeth in it!  Also, accountability in the reporting systems to back it up.  16 dogs?  Yeah.</p>
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		<title>By: Gary</title>
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		<dc:creator>Gary</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 04 Apr 2007 14:30:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Can we trust the word of the FDA at all? It seems strange how they are making such definitive statements how ChemNutra has followed the letter of the law in everything, on just ChemNutra&#039;s word. Something seems awfully suspect here.

Where are the original, complete shipping manifests of all those shipments in March and months before? Some shipper must have the record.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Can we trust the word of the FDA at all? It seems strange how they are making such definitive statements how ChemNutra has followed the letter of the law in everything, on just ChemNutra&#8217;s word. Something seems awfully suspect here.</p>
<p>Where are the original, complete shipping manifests of all those shipments in March and months before? Some shipper must have the record.</p>
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