Comments on: Pet food recall: China denies role in recall http://www.petconnection.com/blog/2007/04/02/pet-food-recall-china-denies-roll-in-recall/ Blogging by a team of pet-care experts led by Dr. Marty Becker. Sun, 21 Mar 2010 04:12:08 -0400 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.8.4 hourly 1 By: Peter http://www.petconnection.com/blog/2007/04/02/pet-food-recall-china-denies-roll-in-recall/comment-page-5/#comment-25012 Peter Thu, 05 Apr 2007 02:23:11 +0000 http://www.petconnection.com/blog/2007/04/02/pet-food-recall-china-denies-roll-in-recall/#comment-25012 I trust not the things that come from China. I have had to purchase many products manufactured in that country simply because I had no choice. I most recent shocking thing I bought was a hands-free device for my cell phone. In very fine print it said the insulation on the wires contained lead and to wash hands throughly after using. I just wonder just how many things we have imported into this country contain some kind of toxic substance. Much less wheat gluten. I have no quarrel with the Chinese culture, it's their money grubbing communist MILITARY government I have a problem with. So even if they are caught dead to rights as the cause of all of our furry babies dying a toxic death they will deny, deny, deny and they will be backed by U.S. and Canadian companies who make a substantial profit by having all of their products made by the Chinese. To us they are more than just "pets" To my wife and I they are precious loving members of our family and they deserve much more than they are getting now. Something needs to be done. After all "pet"foods are a multi-million dollar a year industry and should be scrutinized a lot more closely. Hell,government is in just about every stage of our lives now...why not this? I trust not the things that come from China. I have had to purchase many products manufactured in that country simply because I had no choice. I most recent shocking thing I bought was a hands-free device for my cell phone. In very fine print it said the insulation on the wires contained lead and to wash hands throughly after using. I just wonder just how many things we have imported into this country contain some kind of toxic substance. Much less wheat gluten. I have no quarrel with the Chinese culture, it’s their money grubbing communist MILITARY government I have a problem with. So even if they are caught dead to rights as the cause of all of our furry babies dying a toxic death they will deny, deny, deny and they will be backed by U.S. and Canadian companies who make a substantial profit by having all of their products made by the Chinese. To us they are more than just “pets” To my wife and I they are precious loving members of our family and they deserve much more than they are getting now. Something needs to be done. After all “pet”foods are a multi-million dollar a year industry and should be scrutinized a lot more closely. Hell,government is in just about every stage of our lives now…why not this?

]]> By: Cindy http://www.petconnection.com/blog/2007/04/02/pet-food-recall-china-denies-roll-in-recall/comment-page-5/#comment-24949 Cindy Thu, 05 Apr 2007 00:14:37 +0000 http://www.petconnection.com/blog/2007/04/02/pet-food-recall-china-denies-roll-in-recall/#comment-24949 Are we the only country that China exports wheat gluten to? Has anyone heard of contaminated food in another country besides ours? Are we the only country that China exports wheat gluten to? Has anyone heard of contaminated food in another country besides ours?

]]> By: Rachel Hicks http://www.petconnection.com/blog/2007/04/02/pet-food-recall-china-denies-roll-in-recall/comment-page-4/#comment-24936 Rachel Hicks Wed, 04 Apr 2007 23:56:13 +0000 http://www.petconnection.com/blog/2007/04/02/pet-food-recall-china-denies-roll-in-recall/#comment-24936 1st THANK YOU Mian Qui!!! I've been wondering if I was the only one that noticed the attention was going away from the Aminopterin! This melamine BS is just that (in my opinion) although I'm not sure if you caught the post from Steve or Steven, not sure which.Where he supplied us with this info that I found intruiging at least. Hello! FDA, would someone please check those 25K “Paper” overseas shipping bags??? “(Kraft paper with interwoven liner made mostly of Linear Low Density Polyethylene (LLDPE)) available thru Alibaba®under shipping bags..(Melamine 99% 25kg Polywoven Bags.)” Next thing on my mind is way back when all of this started & the aminoptrerin had just been identified somebody commented on the huge rodent problems that companies that mass produce products like this. So on to my theory....One of the 2 Menu Foods was most likely the source. My bet is that they know full well which one it is & I believe it was only ONE. 2nd the Aminopterin did not come from China on the wheat; it was used intentionally by someone who's ass was on the line when it came to useable product output. I mean come on even they know that rat feeces are not acceptable thing to find in your pets food. This person(s) found a guaranteed way to get rid of the rodent problem (illegal as it may be). This is why we have not/will not in all probability find the "source/supplier" of the contaminated wheat. The "source" was inside that plant, "They" knew where it was & chances are it was completely gone BEFORE they issued the recall. Which was (again in my opinion) the reason for the delay. I think that this melamine finding is bought & paid for by Menu Foods. Without the additional contaminants Menu Foods stood to lose EVERYTHING. Now that there are others to share the burden (even if menu foods is paying for those burdens)then there is light at the end of the tunnel for all of them including MENU FOODS! Unfotunately that will probably be the end result, & it shouldn't be. If Menu Foods had somebody they could throw in front of the proverbial bus (I mean the contract was over right?) As I said if they had anybody to throw out there they would have done it long ago. Wouldn't you throw a murderer out there or would you just quietly let them hang you? 1st THANK YOU Mian Qui!!! I’ve been wondering if I was the only one that noticed the attention was going away from the Aminopterin! This melamine BS is just that (in my opinion) although I’m not sure if you caught the post from Steve or Steven, not sure which.Where he supplied us with this info that I found intruiging at least.
Hello! FDA, would someone please check those 25K “Paper” overseas shipping bags???
“(Kraft paper with interwoven liner made mostly of Linear Low Density Polyethylene (LLDPE))
available thru Alibaba®under shipping bags..(Melamine 99% 25kg Polywoven Bags.)”

Next thing on my mind is way back when all of this started & the aminoptrerin had just been identified somebody commented on the huge rodent problems that companies that mass produce products like this. So on to my theory….One of the 2 Menu Foods was most likely the source. My bet is that they know full well which one it is & I believe it was only ONE. 2nd the Aminopterin did not come from China on the wheat; it was used intentionally by someone who’s ass was on the line when it came to useable product output. I mean come on even they know that rat feeces are not acceptable thing to find in your pets food. This person(s) found a guaranteed way to get rid of the rodent problem (illegal as it may be). This is why we have not/will not in all probability find the “source/supplier” of the contaminated wheat. The “source” was inside that plant, “They” knew where it was & chances are it was completely gone BEFORE they issued the recall. Which was (again in my opinion) the reason for the delay. I think that this melamine finding is bought & paid for by Menu Foods. Without the additional contaminants Menu Foods stood to lose EVERYTHING. Now that there are others to share the burden (even if menu foods is paying for those burdens)then there is light at the end of the tunnel for all of them including MENU FOODS! Unfotunately that will probably be the end result, & it shouldn’t be. If Menu Foods had somebody they could throw in front of the proverbial bus (I mean the contract was over right?) As I said if they had anybody to throw out there they would have done it long ago. Wouldn’t you throw a murderer out there or would you just quietly let them hang you?

]]> By: MonkeyKitty http://www.petconnection.com/blog/2007/04/02/pet-food-recall-china-denies-roll-in-recall/comment-page-4/#comment-23667 MonkeyKitty Wed, 04 Apr 2007 05:09:16 +0000 http://www.petconnection.com/blog/2007/04/02/pet-food-recall-china-denies-roll-in-recall/#comment-23667 I would see another vet ASAP. Make sure you get ahold of her records so they can see what meds she was given. Sorry your kitty is sick. I would see another vet ASAP. Make sure you get ahold of her records so they can see what meds she was given.
Sorry your kitty is sick.

]]> By: millie http://www.petconnection.com/blog/2007/04/02/pet-food-recall-china-denies-roll-in-recall/comment-page-4/#comment-23024 millie Tue, 03 Apr 2007 20:48:01 +0000 http://www.petconnection.com/blog/2007/04/02/pet-food-recall-china-denies-roll-in-recall/#comment-23024 Thanks to all for your info and hard work on this. My three year old healthy cat was posioned by Eukanuba Cuts with Savory Chicken in Gravy(recalled Lot #)aftre 4 days on IV we brought her home. She has a white face so it is very easy to see that her nose and gums turn almost white, this last sometimes 3 to 4 hours.After 5 days home and the first time I noticed the pale nose and gums, the next morning she was having a hard time walking in her back legs. We took her back to the vet, they said she must have hurt herself. I am finding this hard to believe because she is sleeping alot since she came home. My question is --is anyone else seeing other things that are not right with their babies after they have been treated and released. Thanks to all for your info and hard work on this. My three year old healthy cat was posioned by Eukanuba Cuts with Savory Chicken in Gravy(recalled Lot #)aftre 4 days on IV we brought her home. She has a white face so it is very easy to see that her nose and gums turn almost white, this last sometimes 3 to 4 hours.After 5 days home and the first time I noticed the pale nose and gums, the next morning she was having a hard time walking in her back legs. We took her back to the vet, they said she must have hurt herself. I am finding this hard to believe because she is sleeping alot since she came home. My question is —is anyone else seeing other things that are not right with their babies after they have been treated and released.

]]> By: Paul http://www.petconnection.com/blog/2007/04/02/pet-food-recall-china-denies-roll-in-recall/comment-page-4/#comment-22860 Paul Tue, 03 Apr 2007 18:51:20 +0000 http://www.petconnection.com/blog/2007/04/02/pet-food-recall-china-denies-roll-in-recall/#comment-22860 Bernard, Menu Foods was using human food grade gluten, not animal feed grade. That means it was not simply the cheapest crap gluten they could find, with no concern about the quality. Yeah, it is probably cheaper from China, but that wasn't my point. This gluten was imported to the U.S. as people food and should have been safe; it's just a fluke that it ended up in pet food. I'm concerned to learn that we import Chinese agricultral products for human consumption, simply accept the Chinese labeling, and don't even inspect it. My big problem with Menu Foods is how they handled things after the contamination was discovered. Having been to China and having seen the rampant pollution, I would not, personally, have bought bulk food from there, but I don't blame Menu Foods for the contamination. Bernard,

Menu Foods was using human food grade gluten, not animal feed grade. That means it was not simply the cheapest crap gluten they could find, with no concern about the quality. Yeah, it is probably cheaper from China, but that wasn’t my point. This gluten was imported to the U.S. as people food and should have been safe; it’s just a fluke that it ended up in pet food.

I’m concerned to learn that we import Chinese agricultral products for human consumption, simply accept the Chinese labeling, and don’t even inspect it.

My big problem with Menu Foods is how they handled things after the contamination was discovered.

Having been to China and having seen the rampant pollution, I would not, personally, have bought bulk food from there, but I don’t blame Menu Foods for the contamination.

]]> By: MonkeyKitty http://www.petconnection.com/blog/2007/04/02/pet-food-recall-china-denies-roll-in-recall/comment-page-4/#comment-22766 MonkeyKitty Tue, 03 Apr 2007 17:39:23 +0000 http://www.petconnection.com/blog/2007/04/02/pet-food-recall-china-denies-roll-in-recall/#comment-22766 At least CNN is finally doing a longer segment on the whole recall stating to avoid wheat gluten. Thank you Greg Hunter! At least CNN is finally doing a longer segment on the whole recall stating to avoid wheat gluten.

Thank you Greg Hunter!

]]> By: MonkeyKitty http://www.petconnection.com/blog/2007/04/02/pet-food-recall-china-denies-roll-in-recall/comment-page-4/#comment-22759 MonkeyKitty Tue, 03 Apr 2007 17:30:47 +0000 http://www.petconnection.com/blog/2007/04/02/pet-food-recall-china-denies-roll-in-recall/#comment-22759 As far as wheat gluten is concerned it is a highly processed product of wheat. Evidently there are not enough plats to keep up with demand. Also I am sure they were trying to cut corners and make a few bucks since they could get it from china for cheaper since they have no concern over regulation. Most government officials in china are corrupt and have no concern over their environment or their own peoples health let alone people in this country. They will export us whatever they can get away with. Since dogs are a well know food source in that country I am sure they have little sympathy for any of us dog and cat people. As far as wheat gluten is concerned it is a highly processed product of wheat. Evidently there are not enough plats to keep up with demand.

Also I am sure they were trying to cut corners and make a few bucks since they could get it from china for cheaper since they have no concern over regulation.

Most government officials in china are corrupt and have no concern over their environment or their own peoples health let alone people in this country. They will export us whatever they can get away with.

Since dogs are a well know food source in that country I am sure they have little sympathy for any of us dog and cat people.

]]> By: Marci http://www.petconnection.com/blog/2007/04/02/pet-food-recall-china-denies-roll-in-recall/comment-page-4/#comment-22698 Marci Tue, 03 Apr 2007 16:48:33 +0000 http://www.petconnection.com/blog/2007/04/02/pet-food-recall-china-denies-roll-in-recall/#comment-22698 Why would china export wheat to us, when they have a huge population problem and can't even feed the people they have? The US is the largest wheat producer in the world. If you go to the Department of Agriculture and look at the import/export of wheat from China you will see that China imported 11 tons of wheat from us, and did not export any wheat to us. They did export a smaller fraction of wheat to nearby Asian countries. Why would china export wheat to us, when they have a huge population problem and can’t even feed the people they have? The US is the largest wheat producer in the world. If you go to the Department of Agriculture and look at the import/export of wheat from China you will see that China imported 11 tons of wheat from us, and did not export any wheat to us. They did export a smaller fraction of wheat to nearby Asian countries.

]]> By: Merry Farrington http://www.petconnection.com/blog/2007/04/02/pet-food-recall-china-denies-roll-in-recall/comment-page-4/#comment-22612 Merry Farrington Tue, 03 Apr 2007 15:56:07 +0000 http://www.petconnection.com/blog/2007/04/02/pet-food-recall-china-denies-roll-in-recall/#comment-22612 My cats are direct victims of this debacle. I tragically fed Hill's Prescription Diet MD dry to my 17 year old brothers who were in wonderful shape. Nat was euthanized on February 19 due to kidney failure and his brother Moxee survived after an IV irrigation because we thought he had pancreatitis. Also Moxee ate very little of the dry food, preferring wet. Nat, on the other hand, ate everything. I am mortified to think that I poisoned by boys. And I can tell you that they knew something was up with the food because they were reluctant to dive in. I puzzled over their reluctance to eat this veterinary approved expensive food they had been on for over two years. I switched them to other food after Moxee went to the vet hospital without even knowing there was a problem, but it was too late for Nat whose "surprising" bloodwork turned up when I had bloodwork run prior to anticipated dental work. My vet was shocked because the bloodwork did not match the cat he had seen in the physical exam just a week before. I still have the tainted Prescription Diet MD dry cat food in a canister sealed "poison" do not feed. I would like to submit it to a laboratory for specific testing and would appreciate any suggestions. I have plenty so can send a bag several places if that would be beneficial. Unfortunately, Nat was cremated prior to this whole tragedy even being reported. That speaks to the delay of reporting. Moxee, however, is still alive and perhaps his body offers some conclusive evidence. My cats are direct victims of this debacle. I tragically fed Hill’s Prescription Diet MD dry to my 17 year old brothers who were in wonderful shape. Nat was euthanized on February 19 due to kidney failure and his brother Moxee survived after an IV irrigation because we thought he had pancreatitis. Also Moxee ate very little of the dry food, preferring wet. Nat, on the other hand, ate everything. I am mortified to think that I poisoned by boys. And I can tell you that they knew something was up with the food because they were reluctant to dive in. I puzzled over their reluctance to eat this veterinary approved expensive food they had been on for over two years. I switched them to other food after Moxee went to the vet hospital without even knowing there was a problem, but it was too late for Nat whose “surprising” bloodwork turned up when I had bloodwork run prior to anticipated dental work. My vet was shocked because the bloodwork did not match the cat he had seen in the physical exam just a week before. I still have the tainted Prescription Diet MD dry cat food in a canister sealed “poison” do not feed. I would like to submit it to a laboratory for specific testing and would appreciate any suggestions. I have plenty so can send a bag several places if that would be beneficial. Unfortunately, Nat was cremated prior to this whole tragedy even being reported. That speaks to the delay of reporting. Moxee, however, is still alive and perhaps his body offers some conclusive evidence.

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