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		<title>By: Melissa Abdi</title>
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		<dc:creator>Melissa Abdi</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 07 Apr 2007 02:02:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Recently lost my dog Maybelline Italian Cane Corso of renal ARF/CRF failure two days prior to the pet recall, find out its the food that I have been feeding her.. that killed her..just 2 years old, and now i&#039;m worried about her mother Lucia had her tested no signs as of yet.... Is this an on going epidemic or will it ever be resolved.... the fda and the goverment just hide the fact..  and on top of that... its the dog treats...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Recently lost my dog Maybelline Italian Cane Corso of renal ARF/CRF failure two days prior to the pet recall, find out its the food that I have been feeding her.. that killed her..just 2 years old, and now i&#8217;m worried about her mother Lucia had her tested no signs as of yet&#8230;. Is this an on going epidemic or will it ever be resolved&#8230;. the fda and the goverment just hide the fact..  and on top of that&#8230; its the dog treats&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: J. Miller</title>
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		<dc:creator>J. Miller</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 25 Mar 2007 03:55:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I stopped feeding my Lhasa on March 16, after finding that a pouch of gravy had one of the contaminated batch numbers.  A tablespoon was put on kibble (not recalled) twice a day for years before.

Had the vet do a panel of blood tests, they came out negative (normal), continue to watch her for any display of stated symptoms;ie, excess drinking, vomiting, urination, lethargy.

My question for anyone on the board:  How insidious is the rat poison? It has been 8 days. Can it cause renal failure a month fron now, 6 months, a year...?  Anyone know on its longevity/residual before it flares up?  Thanks!

JM</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I stopped feeding my Lhasa on March 16, after finding that a pouch of gravy had one of the contaminated batch numbers.  A tablespoon was put on kibble (not recalled) twice a day for years before.</p>
<p>Had the vet do a panel of blood tests, they came out negative (normal), continue to watch her for any display of stated symptoms;ie, excess drinking, vomiting, urination, lethargy.</p>
<p>My question for anyone on the board:  How insidious is the rat poison? It has been 8 days. Can it cause renal failure a month fron now, 6 months, a year&#8230;?  Anyone know on its longevity/residual before it flares up?  Thanks!</p>
<p>JM</p>
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		<title>By: TLRobinson</title>
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		<dc:creator>TLRobinson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 20 Mar 2007 19:43:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I have sent my information to an attorney in Seattle, WA. I&#039;ve never been involved w/ a class action lawsuit but I would like to see the guilty parties show accountability. The timeline for the recall shows a disregard for the well-being of our beloved pets. My sweet Lhotse suffered for 2 weeks until I finally realized that to euthanize her was to release her from her suffering. I accepted the loss at the time not knowing what the cause of her renal failure was, however now I am angry. She might not has been affected if Menu Foods acted in a timely manner to their own findings of contamination. Mr Meyers is a start to legal remedy. 
http://seattle.injuryboard.com/class-action/</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I have sent my information to an attorney in Seattle, WA. I&#8217;ve never been involved w/ a class action lawsuit but I would like to see the guilty parties show accountability. The timeline for the recall shows a disregard for the well-being of our beloved pets. My sweet Lhotse suffered for 2 weeks until I finally realized that to euthanize her was to release her from her suffering. I accepted the loss at the time not knowing what the cause of her renal failure was, however now I am angry. She might not has been affected if Menu Foods acted in a timely manner to their own findings of contamination. Mr Meyers is a start to legal remedy.<br />
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		<title>By: Carrie</title>
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		<dc:creator>Carrie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 20 Mar 2007 14:12:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>My 2 cats passed away at the end of December 2006 and at the end of January 2007 from frighteningly similar symptoms.  We spent thousands of dollars, radical medical treatments - that involved tube feeding the younger one when he would not eat and giving him MORE wet food, and we lost them both.  Because the information on this recall came out so much later, it may not be related at all.  But the worst part is that it has been long enough that we no longer have any of the cans or pouches that we used during this time period, so there is no way to ever know definitively if these circumstances are related.  Either way, my heart is broken for the loss of my cats, and for all of the pet parents that are going through similar pain, worry and suffering currently.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>My 2 cats passed away at the end of December 2006 and at the end of January 2007 from frighteningly similar symptoms.  We spent thousands of dollars, radical medical treatments - that involved tube feeding the younger one when he would not eat and giving him MORE wet food, and we lost them both.  Because the information on this recall came out so much later, it may not be related at all.  But the worst part is that it has been long enough that we no longer have any of the cans or pouches that we used during this time period, so there is no way to ever know definitively if these circumstances are related.  Either way, my heart is broken for the loss of my cats, and for all of the pet parents that are going through similar pain, worry and suffering currently.</p>
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		<title>By: Rob</title>
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		<dc:creator>Rob</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 20 Mar 2007 12:54:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hey All,

The scum that run these companies make decisions based on greed and nothing else. The testing methods that they utilized (IMHO) were a forced response that took them since early December to give into. Lets face it the only reason they even did the testing was an effort to appear concerned and an attempt to save their business.

They had the weeks and months (since December 6) to do the testing without killing more animals let alone admit that there was a problem and pull their poison off the shelves. Instead they decided that the lives of these animals and members of our families were not as important as the money they were making. 

Why are we cutting these people a break? It is clear that they made a choice to put off any resonsibilty for their actions until they were backed into a corner hence the type and timing of their response. 

There are a lot of big companies involved in this and I suspect in the end that no harm will come to them. It is such a warm fuzzy feeling I get when I think that our beloved pets and ourselves will have been the only to sacrifice for these people.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hey All,</p>
<p>The scum that run these companies make decisions based on greed and nothing else. The testing methods that they utilized (IMHO) were a forced response that took them since early December to give into. Lets face it the only reason they even did the testing was an effort to appear concerned and an attempt to save their business.</p>
<p>They had the weeks and months (since December 6) to do the testing without killing more animals let alone admit that there was a problem and pull their poison off the shelves. Instead they decided that the lives of these animals and members of our families were not as important as the money they were making. </p>
<p>Why are we cutting these people a break? It is clear that they made a choice to put off any resonsibilty for their actions until they were backed into a corner hence the type and timing of their response. </p>
<p>There are a lot of big companies involved in this and I suspect in the end that no harm will come to them. It is such a warm fuzzy feeling I get when I think that our beloved pets and ourselves will have been the only to sacrifice for these people.</p>
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		<title>By: Fred</title>
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		<dc:creator>Fred</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 20 Mar 2007 10:43:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This is a good time to make sure that New Laws are put in place to protect our family pets so things like this NEVER happen again. We have many dollars , and many years of love and caring invested to just let this pass without making sure that our Law Makers protect our Loving  Animals. That are not only part of our family but also our living property. I pray for all families that have taken a sad loss.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This is a good time to make sure that New Laws are put in place to protect our family pets so things like this NEVER happen again. We have many dollars , and many years of love and caring invested to just let this pass without making sure that our Law Makers protect our Loving  Animals. That are not only part of our family but also our living property. I pray for all families that have taken a sad loss.</p>
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		<title>By: Rosy</title>
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		<dc:creator>Rosy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 20 Mar 2007 10:21:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I don&#039;t want to spread more alarm but this is really scary and weird. Sudden kidney failure everywhere just doesn&#039;t seem ordinary at all!!

It seems South Africa has been experiencing kidney failure and deaths in their pet populations too! But we never hear about this. It has been happening for nearly a month and the culprit in their case is dry food, tainted with ethylene glycol (antifreeze ingredient.) It&#039;s strange because antifreeze is one thing that animals love the taste of and will eat. Only a teaspoon will kill a kitty or small dog. It also causes nearly instant kidney failure. I wonder if somehow the supply of gluten in these foods got contaminated by it? And how? 

Below are a couple articles from South African newspapers.

Sincerely,
Rosy 

&gt;

SPCA issues alert over dog-food scare 

February 23 2007 at 01:53PM 

By Natasha Prince and Murray Williams

The SPCA has warned pet owners who may have fed their dogs with 
contaminated dry dog food to visit a vet immediately. 

A local pet food manufacturer, Aquanutro, warned this week that 
ethylene-glycol had been found in a limited number of batches of some 
of its dog food products. The substance is a type of coolant, 
popularly known as anti-freeze.

One of Aquanutro&#039;s biggest customers is Woolworths, which pulled the 
products from its shelves this week and warned the public in an 
advertising campaign.

Aquanutro said it had first been alerted in late 2006 by dog owners 
and a veterinary surgeon that some of its products had allegedly 
caused kidney failure within dogs. 

&quot;Extensive tests were conducted by accredited laboratories within 
South Africa and were initially found to be negative, until an in-
depth and very intensive … analysis tested positive for the presence 
of ethylene-glycol,&quot; the company said.

The company had already alerted its customers that it was undertaking 
the tests and confirmed the traces of the substance this week.

The SPCA&#039;s Cher Poznan-ovich said they had received many calls and e-
mails about animals that had died or were showing signs of poisoning, 
but she could not say how many reports they received. 

Friday Woolworths spokesperson Dorothy McLaren said: &quot;We have no 
evidence, whatsoever, linking our product with the death or illness 
of any animals.&quot;

Despite already pulling Aquanutro&#039;s products from its shelves, it was 
continuing with extensive in-depth tests to establish any risk to 
pets.

Aquanutro said the supplier of the ingredient had been notified and 
the company had cancelled all orders.

SPCA vet Miles Penfold warned: &quot;If you have fed your dog this food 
and even if they are not showing signs of poisoning, it is best to 
take them to the vet to be checked. 

&quot;Once the symptoms are visible, it is often fatal.&quot; 

Symptoms include excess drinking and urinating, vomiting and looking 
off colour.

This article was originally published on page 5 of Cape Argus on 
February 23, 2007</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I don&#8217;t want to spread more alarm but this is really scary and weird. Sudden kidney failure everywhere just doesn&#8217;t seem ordinary at all!!</p>
<p>It seems South Africa has been experiencing kidney failure and deaths in their pet populations too! But we never hear about this. It has been happening for nearly a month and the culprit in their case is dry food, tainted with ethylene glycol (antifreeze ingredient.) It&#8217;s strange because antifreeze is one thing that animals love the taste of and will eat. Only a teaspoon will kill a kitty or small dog. It also causes nearly instant kidney failure. I wonder if somehow the supply of gluten in these foods got contaminated by it? And how? </p>
<p>Below are a couple articles from South African newspapers.</p>
<p>Sincerely,<br />
Rosy </p>
<p>&gt;</p>
<p>SPCA issues alert over dog-food scare </p>
<p>February 23 2007 at 01:53PM </p>
<p>By Natasha Prince and Murray Williams</p>
<p>The SPCA has warned pet owners who may have fed their dogs with<br />
contaminated dry dog food to visit a vet immediately. </p>
<p>A local pet food manufacturer, Aquanutro, warned this week that<br />
ethylene-glycol had been found in a limited number of batches of some<br />
of its dog food products. The substance is a type of coolant,<br />
popularly known as anti-freeze.</p>
<p>One of Aquanutro&#8217;s biggest customers is Woolworths, which pulled the<br />
products from its shelves this week and warned the public in an<br />
advertising campaign.</p>
<p>Aquanutro said it had first been alerted in late 2006 by dog owners<br />
and a veterinary surgeon that some of its products had allegedly<br />
caused kidney failure within dogs. </p>
<p>&#8220;Extensive tests were conducted by accredited laboratories within<br />
South Africa and were initially found to be negative, until an in-<br />
depth and very intensive … analysis tested positive for the presence<br />
of ethylene-glycol,&#8221; the company said.</p>
<p>The company had already alerted its customers that it was undertaking<br />
the tests and confirmed the traces of the substance this week.</p>
<p>The SPCA&#8217;s Cher Poznan-ovich said they had received many calls and e-<br />
mails about animals that had died or were showing signs of poisoning,<br />
but she could not say how many reports they received. </p>
<p>Friday Woolworths spokesperson Dorothy McLaren said: &#8220;We have no<br />
evidence, whatsoever, linking our product with the death or illness<br />
of any animals.&#8221;</p>
<p>Despite already pulling Aquanutro&#8217;s products from its shelves, it was<br />
continuing with extensive in-depth tests to establish any risk to<br />
pets.</p>
<p>Aquanutro said the supplier of the ingredient had been notified and<br />
the company had cancelled all orders.</p>
<p>SPCA vet Miles Penfold warned: &#8220;If you have fed your dog this food<br />
and even if they are not showing signs of poisoning, it is best to<br />
take them to the vet to be checked. </p>
<p>&#8220;Once the symptoms are visible, it is often fatal.&#8221; </p>
<p>Symptoms include excess drinking and urinating, vomiting and looking<br />
off colour.</p>
<p>This article was originally published on page 5 of Cape Argus on<br />
February 23, 2007</p>
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		<title>By: Gwen</title>
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		<dc:creator>Gwen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 20 Mar 2007 07:07:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You definitely raise some very valid points there. Though the testing situation still leaves a bit of a bad taste in my mouth, it is possible that it was indeed justified.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You definitely raise some very valid points there. Though the testing situation still leaves a bit of a bad taste in my mouth, it is possible that it was indeed justified.</p>
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		<title>By: Catmanager</title>
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		<dc:creator>Catmanager</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 20 Mar 2007 06:45:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>While I sympathize with those who wish to reduce suffering to animals, I can&#039;t agree with some of the comments here that Menu should not have tested the food on other animals.

First, kidney failure has many causes. Menu had to confirm a link between their food and the adverse events. That often can&#039;t be done just from random bits of epidemiological data (i.e., the reports they had from pet owners).

Second, simply testing their food might seem like an obvious step and for all we know it is one that Menu undertook, but consider that probably millions of potentially toxic compounds exist. I&#039;m no toxicologist, but I suspect even working through a list of the most common toxins could take weeks or months. Far better to try to narrow the list so that you can better target your area of testing. That means you need to know what the food is doing to the animals (what changes it is causing in the kidneys and other internal organs). Why couldn&#039;t they use already deceased animals? Well, for all we know, they might have. But I can see a simple reason why they might not have been able to: Toxins break down over time, some quite quickly. They would have had no guarantee that any of the deceased animals would still have traces of toxins.

Please understand, I&#039;m no fan of industrialized food production and companies such as Menu, and I think that animal testing is in many cases unjustified. However, I feel based on what little is known at this point that the testing Menu undertook probably was justified (whether it should have been done sooner is another issue).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>While I sympathize with those who wish to reduce suffering to animals, I can&#8217;t agree with some of the comments here that Menu should not have tested the food on other animals.</p>
<p>First, kidney failure has many causes. Menu had to confirm a link between their food and the adverse events. That often can&#8217;t be done just from random bits of epidemiological data (i.e., the reports they had from pet owners).</p>
<p>Second, simply testing their food might seem like an obvious step and for all we know it is one that Menu undertook, but consider that probably millions of potentially toxic compounds exist. I&#8217;m no toxicologist, but I suspect even working through a list of the most common toxins could take weeks or months. Far better to try to narrow the list so that you can better target your area of testing. That means you need to know what the food is doing to the animals (what changes it is causing in the kidneys and other internal organs). Why couldn&#8217;t they use already deceased animals? Well, for all we know, they might have. But I can see a simple reason why they might not have been able to: Toxins break down over time, some quite quickly. They would have had no guarantee that any of the deceased animals would still have traces of toxins.</p>
<p>Please understand, I&#8217;m no fan of industrialized food production and companies such as Menu, and I think that animal testing is in many cases unjustified. However, I feel based on what little is known at this point that the testing Menu undertook probably was justified (whether it should have been done sooner is another issue).</p>
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		<title>By: Gwen</title>
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		<dc:creator>Gwen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 20 Mar 2007 05:52:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I, too question the need to feed the stuff to unsuspecting test subjects. I&#039;ll be honest, I don&#039;t know the first thing about what would qualify as proper testing protocol in an instance like this. For all I know, maybe it&#039;s standard operating procedure. But it seems wholly unnecessary, IMO, to have put those animals through this.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I, too question the need to feed the stuff to unsuspecting test subjects. I&#8217;ll be honest, I don&#8217;t know the first thing about what would qualify as proper testing protocol in an instance like this. For all I know, maybe it&#8217;s standard operating procedure. But it seems wholly unnecessary, IMO, to have put those animals through this.</p>
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